The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 592

innerSpaceman · 04-30-2010, 09:54 AM

Of course he was Wendy. My point is that his analogy is flawed because the previous system was exactly the opposite and did not impinge on anyone's liberty. So although his analogy was readily understandable, it also pointed out how an entirely opposite system could work just as well and have other benefits.

If "E-Ticket" had not become part of the popular lexicon, I would give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that no one on earth remembered the previous system. But it's been enshrined in our language.

Alex, of course the other system wasn't "racist" per se. It was also not in any way depriving anyone of their liberty to ride rides. I suppose if citizenship were required to avail oneself of services in the U.S., we would be perfectly used to showing our ID everywhere. Um, I think we're pretty used to that right now, in fact.

No one demanded to see your ticket book while you were pleasantly strolling around Disneyland or Disney World. You presented it if you wanted to ride a ride. His analogy is both simple to understand and fundamentally flawed.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-30-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

No one demanded to see your ticket book while you were pleasantly strolling around Disneyland or Disney World. You presented it if you wanted to ride a ride. His analogy is both simple to understand and fundamentally flawed.

No, you simply extended it beyond the bounds that were intended. The analogy was referring ONLY to the current system, any attempt to extend the analogy to the ticket-book system are your own and not what A meant.

Alex · 04-30-2010, 10:14 AM

Yeah, I don't see it iSm.

He's saying that citizenship should be like Disney World's system of not constantly having to prove you're allowed to be there. He's making no judgment at all as to whether Disney World's system should be like that, just that it is like that.

But yes, all analogies are inherently flawed. If they weren't, the analogy wouldn't be required, you'd just have two of the same thing.

Strangler Lewis · 04-30-2010, 10:22 AM

The Arizona law is the usher who stops you from sneaking down in the fifth inning to the empty box seats of some season ticket holder at some meaningless game you couldn't pay most people to attend.

No, wait, it's the carnival barker . . .

Alex · 04-30-2010, 10:25 AM

By the way, since I forgot to include in the quote tag who said it, it was Mike Huckabee.

innerSpaceman · 04-30-2010, 11:05 AM

I'm glad I didn't know that. My attack on A would have been much more vicious.

Disneyphile · 05-07-2010, 03:11 PM

Been stewing a bit about the Arizona law thing, and came up with a fun solution that would bring home the role of illegals in our country:

California farms should stop all supplies of produce to Arizona. After all, the majority of it is harvested by illegals, since good ol' American peeps refuse to take those kinds of jobs.

Don't want them in our country? Okie dokie. Time to start paying $10 for a head of lettuce to support the American wage demands.

innerSpaceman · 05-07-2010, 03:14 PM

That would be fantastic. I'm hoping the boycotts of Arizona are successful. I'm personally putting off all travel plans there (and I do indeed have some).

scaeagles · 05-07-2010, 05:45 PM

Boycotts are not going to work. Seriously. The people are not smart enough to make it happen, honestly.

There was a boycott organized of the "Arizona Ice Tea" brand. Thing is that isn't made in Arizona.

There is no way businesses are going to stop selling products to AZ. They might stop buying from AZ, but no way they are going to tell AZ to take their dollars anywhere else.

The Grand Canyon isn't moving.

I think perhaps there is a possibility the MLS All Star game could be taken away - I think it's scheduled to be here in 2012. Maybe a convention or two. But is possible that there is enough support of some groups that it will inspire them to bring their conventions or business here. I think last I heard nationwide the polls showed a solid majority of 57% in favor.

With that in mind, I just don't see their being enough motivation of most to organize or support boycotts.

wendybeth · 05-07-2010, 07:40 PM

I dunno, I have a client who just canceled their family reunion at the Grand Canyon- going to Glacier instead. I think you underestimate the anger out there, Scaeagles. It's pretty far-reaching and is not going to fade away. As an American, I'm horrified and embarrassed by your state's new law. It goes against everything we are supposed to be as a country. I'm really interested in seeing one of their training sessions, where they teach law enforcement how to enforce the law without using racial profiling.......

04-30-2010, 09:54 AM	#5911
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Of course he was Wendy. My point is that his analogy is flawed because the previous system was exactly the opposite and did not impinge on anyone's liberty. So although his analogy was readily understandable, it also pointed out how an entirely opposite system could work just as well and have other benefits. If "E-Ticket" had not become part of the popular lexicon, I would give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that no one on earth remembered the previous system. But it's been enshrined in our language. Alex, of course the other system wasn't "racist" per se. It was also not in any way depriving anyone of their liberty to ride rides. I suppose if citizenship were required to avail oneself of services in the U.S., we would be perfectly used to showing our ID everywhere. Um, I think we're pretty used to that right now, in fact. No one demanded to see your ticket book while you were pleasantly strolling around Disneyland or Disney World. You presented it if you wanted to ride a ride. His analogy is both simple to understand and fundamentally flawed.
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04-30-2010, 10:14 AM	#5913
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yeah, I don't see it iSm. He's saying that citizenship should be like Disney World's system of not constantly having to prove you're allowed to be there. He's making no judgment at all as to whether Disney World's system should be like that, just that it is like that. But yes, all analogies are inherently flawed. If they weren't, the analogy wouldn't be required, you'd just have two of the same thing.
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04-30-2010, 10:22 AM	#5914
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	The Arizona law is the usher who stops you from sneaking down in the fifth inning to the empty box seats of some season ticket holder at some meaningless game you couldn't pay most people to attend. No, wait, it's the carnival barker . . . __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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04-30-2010, 10:25 AM	#5915
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	By the way, since I forgot to include in the quote tag who said it, it was Mike Huckabee.
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04-30-2010, 11:05 AM	#5916
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I'm glad I didn't know that. My attack on A would have been much more vicious.
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05-07-2010, 03:11 PM	#5917
Disneyphile SQUIRREL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On the curbside. Posts: 5,098	Been stewing a bit about the Arizona law thing, and came up with a fun solution that would bring home the role of illegals in our country: California farms should stop all supplies of produce to Arizona. After all, the majority of it is harvested by illegals, since good ol' American peeps refuse to take those kinds of jobs. Don't want them in our country? Okie dokie. Time to start paying $10 for a head of lettuce to support the American wage demands.
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05-07-2010, 03:14 PM	#5918
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	That would be fantastic. I'm hoping the boycotts of Arizona are successful. I'm personally putting off all travel plans there (and I do indeed have some).
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05-07-2010, 05:45 PM	#5919
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Boycotts are not going to work. Seriously. The people are not smart enough to make it happen, honestly. There was a boycott organized of the "Arizona Ice Tea" brand. Thing is that isn't made in Arizona. There is no way businesses are going to stop selling products to AZ. They might stop buying from AZ, but no way they are going to tell AZ to take their dollars anywhere else. The Grand Canyon isn't moving. I think perhaps there is a possibility the MLS All Star game could be taken away - I think it's scheduled to be here in 2012. Maybe a convention or two. But is possible that there is enough support of some groups that it will inspire them to bring their conventions or business here. I think last I heard nationwide the polls showed a solid majority of 57% in favor. With that in mind, I just don't see their being enough motivation of most to organize or support boycotts.
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05-07-2010, 07:40 PM	#5920
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I dunno, I have a client who just canceled their family reunion at the Grand Canyon- going to Glacier instead. I think you underestimate the anger out there, Scaeagles. It's pretty far-reaching and is not going to fade away. As an American, I'm horrified and embarrassed by your state's new law. It goes against everything we are supposed to be as a country. I'm really interested in seeing one of their training sessions, where they teach law enforcement how to enforce the law without using racial profiling....... __________________
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