HCR Passes

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Nope, just pointing out that not a lot of thought went into this portion of the bill.....because they are round numbers it looks more like they didn't really study the "needs" of Americans very much but instead just coughed up a couple of numbers that sounded good.

Or they know that most American's wouldn't remember 3 and 6 or 4 and 7.

Glad you can come up with such concrete example of the lack of thought that went into this bill.

Try again.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

And do you care to expand on why you consider health care access to be an apple?

No, not really.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Alex

I have to defend scaeagles a bit. To believe that a given course of action is not a solution to a recognized problem, or that it will actually make the problem worse in the long run is not the same as having no empathy for the problem.

Plenty of government programs have been implemented over the years that were sourced completely from a sense of empathy and desire to make things better for the downtrodden only to have perverse unintended consequences that offered no net improvement and possibly an actual worsening.

I have no problem at all with honest opposition to even what might seem a "moderate" advancement. I just hate the dishonest opposition (and dishonest promotion) that seems to be the preferred channel of communication for the most prominent which then trickles down to those who rely on them for information.

My comment wasn't aimed at Leo.

[katiesue]

I for one am happy for the pre-existing clause. Maddie has Type 1 Diabetes and it's treat it or die. When she got diagnosed one of my concerns was making sure she always had coverage - any gap and it could be treated as a pre-existing condition and she'd be hosed. And a lot of pre-exisiting conditions are gentic or from things out of a persons control. I don't think they should be punished for it. And to be honest denying coverage will make us end up on social programs or in the ER which will all end up costing everyone more anyway.

To Scaeagles point of the overuse of Doctors. I agree. I'm not one to take myself or Maddie in at the drop of a hat. I know a person who does and it makes me nuts. Not to mention every visit MUST have a perscription no matter what the ailment. Their medical coverage recently changed and they counted up family visits to the docs for the last year - I believe the number was 35 for 5 family members. That's 5 each in a year. These were all colds, ear infections and the like no serious or cronic conditions. Before Maddie's diagnosis and my recent ailments we generally go once a year for our yearly check ups. That's pretty much it.

And between my kidney stone and broken toe I've been in both the ER and Urgent Care recently. And I would say a number of the people at both places didn't need to be there. They had either a cold or flu. None seemed severe enough to warrant an ER trip for certain. Urgent Care is a little tricker because it's meant for stuff like that. But again unless you are severely dehydrated and need an IV I don't know what you want them to do for a cold or flu. And darn it I had kidney stones and a broken toe (really broken as in pointing the wrong direction) and you're taking up space ahead of me in line, and it is of course all about me

As for allergies Scaeagles. I too had horrible allergies in school. All the cartlidge in my nose is broken from rubbing it all the time. I wouldn't say all the allergy medications are a waste but they should just be over the counter and you can then pick and choose on your own dime. Personally the only one that works for me is Allegra - the only one not over the counter and with no generic still. And my copay on it is hefty. So I have to decide if it's worth that or just suck up and take the occasional benadryl when it gets really bad.

[BarTopDancer]

Regarding doctors visits - I go once a year or if I am hacking up disgusting sh*t. That means I go once a year, for my physical.

Regarding allergies - Zyrtec is finally OTC, WITH generic. I did the happy dance of joy when I found an exact generic at Costco that cost $18 for 365 pills vs. $45 for 90 pills of brand name. Erica can attest that me without Zyrtec results in me being utterly miserable, sneezing and unable to breathe.

[mousepod]

Not getting in the debate here except to say that I'm all for change... and hopefully this one is a change in the right direction.

Also - Katie - there is a generic for Allegra. It's called Fexofenadine. I'm not sure if there's a generic for Allegra-D (basically Allegra plus a 12-hour sudafed), but I just go for the regular 60mg fexo. My copay is $4 for 60 pills...

[Gemini Cricket]

I guess I'm lost in all the hoopa-a-doo about this. I've been preoccupying myself to keep my depression at bay by riding the peace train through Hippieland.

My big thing is that, well, I have a problem with people (corporations, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc) making a ton of money off of someone being sick. It feels heartless. And how is someone supposed to have a smooth recovery when they're about to go bankrupt because of all of their hospital, health care bills? I mean, the stress of that alone could keep a person sick.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I guess I'm lost in all the hoopa-a-doo about this. I've been preoccupying myself to keep my depression at bay by riding the peace train through Hippieland.

My big thing is that, well, I have a problem with people (corporations, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc) making a ton of money off of someone being sick.

Stated that way, you'll have to throw doctors into that bucket. I don't mind people making money off of making other people better. I have a problem with people making money by denying people the opportunity to be made better.

[katiesue]

Originally Posted by mousepod

Also - Katie - there is a generic for Allegra. It's called Fexofenadine. I'm not sure if there's a generic for Allegra-D (basically Allegra plus a 12-hour sudafed), but I just go for the regular 60mg fexo. My copay is $4 for 60 pills...

I get the Fexofenadine but for some reason insurance still charges me full rate - so it's something like $75 for three months. And my inurance requires that ANY recurring perscription be filled by their mail order so I can't do it anywhere else and get it cheaper.

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by David Frum

No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

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