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[Gn2Dlnd]

That's me, the Futura floor wax of the internet.

[Fab]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

That's me, the Futura floor wax of the internet.

I think of you more as Shimmer. It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

[Ghoulish Delight]

My short review (no real spoilers, but in case anyone's avoiding any opinion, it's in spoiler tags):

Spoiler:

Same flaws as the second. Acting, dialog, action all awful, in my estimation. A couple MAJOR continuity mistakes, one that could have been fixed with dialog looping, one that's written in and completely contradicts something said in Jedi.

I liked the last 30 minutes, and, much like the second, I liked the underlying story elements and select individual effects/characters. But the movie around it was just as bad, Christiansen is still holding steady at one and a half facial expressions. As good as things got for the last half hour, not worth the first 2 hours of bad movie.

So there ya have it. I'll go into detail eventually.

[Not Afraid]

I learned tonight that I'm going to see it. Sure. But, it better be a good film on it's own because I'm not going back and watching those last 2 horrors again. Padme are you OK? Ugh.

[Moonliner]

It isn’t societal, it's genetic.

After the movie:

My daughter (9) - Cried FOR Anakin. Walked out of the movie actually cursing "the guy that made that movie" for doing that to kids.

My son (12) - Said "I've waited my entire life for this, finally the bad guys win! Awesome!"

Made for some interesting discussions on the way home...

[Ghoulish Delight]

Okay, I have to mention this because it was so bad.

Spoiler:

Emperor? Emperor!?

Obi-wan and Yoda return to Corusant and head straight to the Jedi Temple. They have not been to the senate where, at the same time, Palpatine is busy declaring his new Empire. And yet, Obi-wan calls him "Emperor". Twice! In later scenes with Little Orphan Annie, he goes back to calling him Chancellor. That's just...how do you screw that up?

Issue #2: Does this sound familiar to anyone?

LUKE
Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?

LEIA
Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.

Really, like the minute you were born? Man, she was one damned observant newborn if she could remember that her mother "was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad."

Grrrr. That one's particularly irksome because Padme dying is integral to the story of the movie, and yet it completely contradicts that line in Jedi. Leia's mother lives, long enough for Leia to have memory of her.

And on the mildly annoying front...Chewbaca is friends with Yoda, but years later doesn't put a good word in to Han for Obi-wan and instead makes Obi-wan bargain for a ride? I swear, Lucas just didn't think these things through, he was too busy pandering to people. "I wanna see Chewbaca, I wanna see Chewbaca!" These movies would have been so much better if he hadn't forced these stupid little tie-ins that were so unnecessary.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

A response to GD's RotJ continuity problem...

Spoiler:

I've heard it defended that in the post-Rebellion books, Leia has the ability to communicate with her twins in the womb. It's been explained away that Leia's eyes were open when they were born, and Luke's were closed, and that Leia had possibly been "communicating" with her mother in the womb. Weak argument, but an argument nonetheless.

[scaeagles]

I wasn't all that hyped up about it, but for some reason I played hookie yesterday and saw it yesterday morning at 9:30.

My thoughts -

The Anakin/Padme thing just doesn't do it for me. Every scene between them - except maybe the last - was really, really bad. Bad dialogue, bad acting. I think Portman was worse then Christensen.

Lots of plot holes and stupid things, like GD mentioned. Actually, the one that bugged me the most was when Yoda told Obi-Wan that he had learned to commune with Qui-gon. Well, if that's the case, why doesn't qui-gon ever appear with Yoda and Obi-wan later in Jedi? If it has to be learned, how does Anakin do it right after his death in Jedi? Anyway.....

I liked the special effects. I liked the slide of Anakin to the dark side - I thought that was done reasonable well, mostly because of the Chancellor.

General Grievous just didn't do it for me. Wasn't impressed.

Liked Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, liked Yoda vs. Sidious.

The movie didn't grab my attention until about an hour through. Unlike GD, who thought the first two hours were a waste, I only felt that way about the first hour. The last half hour was the only part of the movie I would call "great", though.

But it did what it had to do - showed how Anakin went to the dark side, how he became Vader (referring to the suit), how Yoda and Obi-Wan became the last two Jedi and were in hiding (although I did think many of the Jedi got their butts kicked too easily, specifically the three so easily dispatched by the Chancellor when it was 4 on 1, for goodness sake), how Luke and Leia got separated. Some of the things, like Chewbacca and Yoda being buddies but that not being apparent in the other episodes, or Leia having a remembrance of her mom, I could look past.

Worth seeing, because you have to see it. But nothing to see over and over.

[cstephens]

Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

A response to GD's RotJ continuity problem...

I've heard it defended that in the post-Rebellion books, Leia has the ability to communicate with her twins in the womb. It's been explained away that Leia's eyes were open when they were born, and Luke's were closed, and that Leia had possibly been "communicating" with her mother in the womb. Weak argument, but an argument nonetheless.

That's brought up in Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" trilogy, and as much as I love them, I'm one of those who believes in strict canon - if it's not in the movies, it doesn't count. And even if you want to include those in the story, Leia is force sensitive, so you get the impression that she can communicate with her twins because of her tapping into the force, not because of the babies. Padme is not force sensitive, so she wouldn't be able to reach out to her babies in the same way. I forgot to look for the eyes open/eyes closed thing when I saw it again last night - I'll have to try to remember next time. (But I did see the Falcon this time!) But, Leia doesn't show any Jedi abilities at all until very much later, so it's not believable to think that as a newborn or younger, she could communicate with her mother.

I think it works much better for the story for Padme to die. It's the line from Jedi that needed not to exist.


ETA: re: Anakin's "angry eyes" thing:

I noticed that they used the technique of making him mostly looking up at people, even if it meant tilting his head down. That way, you see lots more of the whites of his eyes, making him look scarier.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by cstephens

I think it works much better for the story for Padme to die. It's the line from Jedi that needed not to exist.

Blasphemy!

Seriously, though, the original trilogy IS the story. There is no "works better", it's what it is. It's pure laziness that Lucas couldn't write a backstory that actually matched up with the story he originally wrote.