Major Terrorist Threat in UK-US discovered

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Exactly.

[katiesue]

I think the risk of flying is the same as it was yesterday, or last week, or last year. Any of this stuff could happen anytime. Just because they found out about this plot doesn't mean there aren't others. I'm not going to change anything I'm doing because of this.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

You know what? I really do like you people, disagreements and all. I'm a' learnin'!

[Nephythys]

wow-

you actually think you can compare the two?

You think we are there telling them to convert or die?

I'm sorry, but I am just agog at such "logic"- how in the world can you see the two as the same in any way?

Not only that- but to acheive such a view you have to ignore the fact that alot of the insugency in Iraq is being fed in from other countries, it is not the Iraqis rising up en masse against us. It is also in-fighting that was there long before we did anything-

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

..but to acheive such a view you have to ignore the fact that alot of the insugency in Iraq is being fed in from other countries, it is not the Iraqis rising up en masse against us.

And to acheieve THAT view, you have to ignore the fact that while that was the line we were being fed at the beginning of the insurgency, the leaders on the ground in Iraq have since said, several times, that the level of foreign fighters was highly over stated and that most of the insurgency is indeed being fueled from within.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

It is also in-fighting that was there long before we did anything-

All the more reason why the idea of spreading democracy in Iraq was an impossibility from the start. These people never had any intention of living together peacefully. Why on earth did we think we could change that?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

All the more reason why the idea of spreading democracy in Iraq was an impossibility from the start.

I kind of thought the idea was to oust Saddam.

A large majority of Iraq (speaking in terms of geography, not populace...I have no idea how much of the populace lives in the peaceful areas) is now peaceful and functioning. Baghdad certainly not.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I kind of thought the idea was to oust Saddam.

That isn't how it was sold. And besides, at what expense? Is it better to have a theocracy that still hates America just as much, and a new breeding ground for terrorists, in place of a dictator that kept Iraq from descending into Civil War?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

That isn't how it was sold.

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It is completely how it was sold. To get rid of a madman with WMD.

[mousepod]

Here's one question: if all of the 9/11 bombers were from Saudi Arabia and all of the conspirators arrested today are from Pakistan, why do we wage war in Afghanistan and Iraq?

(and for the record, I get the Afghanistan part, but I figure it'd make a better discussion)