Star Trek

[blueerica]

CP...

As I said before I did feel like I was mourning the old Trek. But I don't feel that they were saying the old experiences didn't matter. I can accept that that universe remains intact, elsewhere. This is an alternate universe. The characters have slight differences, sure - you're going to have a scrappier Kirk due to daddy issues and a more live-for-today Spock, but hey, holy crap, they have something MORE to write about! A slight twist. Like iSm, I also caught the new Kirk acting Kirk-ish in those last moments of the movie. Yay.

I could not heart you more right now.

These events don't change a timeline - they create a new timeline, and I'm pretty damn okay with that. I like a Kirk that didn't have the ideal childhood, adolescence, and adulthood. And I'm thrilled to see a Spock that shows his deep emotions that he'll need to continue balancing. I don't mind the inconsistencies because I have been starved for something great out of Star Trek.

No, I didn't watch the original series when it first came out - I did watch it as a I few up on re-runs... so maybe the magic wasn't there for me in the same way that it would have been had I watched TOS as it unfolded on the small screen. Perhaps because of that, the slapstick didn't bother me. I pretty much saw TOS as camp, anyway. It just took it to another level. No sense in arguing personal taste... it's almost as impossible as arguing religion.

I think I need to go see this movie, oh, about 30 more times.

[Alex]

When GC sees it (if he hasn't) I am wondering how much the Nokia product placement (can we agree that this was truly unnecessary and really belong?) will annoy him?

I guess we're just lucky they didn't put Uhura in one of those Motorola headsets that NFL coaches wear.

[Melonballer]

Zachary Quinto and Chris Pine on SNL

[Alex]

Watched the Romulan episode again just for fun. Yep on them all being completely surprised to learn that Vulcans and Romulans are the same species (something that bothered no one in the movie though I guess not that many people actually saw the Romulans). Though this movie really de-emphasized that physical similarity.

I had forgotten that the Romulan in question was played by Mark Lenard, who of course, starting with an appearance the following season and then through Star Trek VI, played Sarek, Spocks father.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by mousepod

Hated it. I'm going to collect my thoughts and post more later, but yuck.

Thank you! I'm not alone! (On LoT, that is. There are a lot of people out there that agree with me.)

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Or, as Onion News perfectly encapsulates it.

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

EXACTLY! Bwahahaha!

Except I didn't find the movie the least bit "fun and watchable". Take the name "Star Trek" off of it and I'd still consider it a terrible movie.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Sorry, but I missed this earlier.


Um, did I miss this? I've seen the movie twice now and I don't recall them mentioning that it was seven years ealier? Was there some StarDate announced that's seven years earlier than the first StarDate ever mentioned in the first season of the show?

That would be a stretch, but please don't tell me it's in the press materials or the novelization or some such completely non-canonical source. The MOVIE made it seem as if the time of the tv series is about 3 months later, though of course they didn't specify if it was that or 7 years or any such thing.


Unless I missed it.




Oh, and Alex ... touche.

Kirk was 35 when the first season began (accepted canon). He goes from 0 to 28 in this movie.

I also found the idea that Starfleet would promote a cadet fresh out of the Academy to Captain of one of their capital ships to be laughable.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by JWBear

I also found the idea that Starfleet would promote a cadet fresh out of the Academy to Captain of one of their capital ships to be laughable.

Actually I think there's precedent. Isn't it true that after the events depicted in Red Dawn, Lea Thompson was appointed Secretary of Defense by a grateful nation-fragment?

[innerSpaceman]

There were lots of laughable improbales in this movie. But I accept the conceipt that going from zero to TOS-minus-4-days in the space of 2 weeks rather than 8 years is going to lead to several improbables.

If we simply posit that in an altered timeline, for some reason, events and people reach their fated points with far less resistance and far quicker, "problem" solved.

Any problem that can be explained away with 2 lines of dialogue and thus remain no less implausible than any standard Star Trek gibberish is plausible enough for me in Star Trek.


If you took the name Star Trek off this movie, I would not like it either. Since my enjoyment came completely from the relationships between Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu and Checkov, it's a pretty moot point to fathom this as just another movie not about Star Trek. Certainly a movie with the same dumb plot featuring characters I didn't give a hoot about would not be one I'd enjoy.

[€uroMeinke]

I thought it was fun. Didn't "love it" - but sci-fi films just haven't been the same for me since I came across magical realism and gave up the need to have everything explained to me.

I didn't hate it either, though I found myself wondering why everyone's motivation come from some Freudian situation of reacting to the death of a parent. Considering the amount of people with dead parents in the world it's a wonder why we aren't all star ship captains or evil villains.

Still, I was happy for the ejection of cannon (though annoyed a bit that they had to explain that too) one of the reason's I've avoided all the other interations of Star Trek was that I just couldn't keep up with the evolving mythology - just tell me a fun story in 50 minutes of less that didn't requirement to remember all the details of every past episode. (hmmm come to think of it, that's why I've avoided, Lost, Buffy, X-Files, etc. - damn geeks)

Anyway, I enjoyed it - probably won't see it again, but it was a nice way to spend an afternoon.

[Chernabog]

Just got back from seeing it, and super-enjoyed it. I mean, it wasn't anything deep, but it was a fun space opera to watch.

It is a general law of movie-watching that if time travel is involved, it WILL NOT MAKE SENSE. EVER. EVER. EVER. So do not even try to resolve that issue, because there will always be plot holes. This has been true in every single movie ever with the concept of actual time travel, since the dawn of the cinema.

So, you just need to sit back and enjoy it for what it is.

Plus, Chris Pine and Anton Yelchin are so super adorable.