The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Not Afraid]

And now they’ve got a social problem that they don’t know what to do with hardly.

Does this strike anyone else as a completely awkward sentence?

[3894]

A 6 billion dollar deficit, jobs in short supply, and a budget stalemate with the Democratic governor and what does Minnesota choose to focus on?

Gay marriage.

[scaeagles]

As a slight correction to what GD posted (certainly not disputing what was said), the quote in question came following a speech at the Conservative Principles Conference, not from the Christianity Today interview.

While I do agree he is taking it way too far, I would be curious as to if he would comment on someone of the Islamic Faith such as Monsoor Ijaz, an outspoken critic of Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist actions, who I thik would be an excellent addition to any cabinet of group of advisors.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

As a slight correction to what GD posted (certainly not disputing what was said), the quote in question came following a speech at the Conservative Principles Conference, not from the Christianity Today interview.

While I do agree he is taking it way too far, I would be curious as to if he would comment on someone of the Islamic Faith such as Monsoor Ijaz, an outspoken critic of Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist actions, who I thik would be an excellent addition to any cabinet of group of advisors.

Ooops, took wiki's word on the citation, should have read more carfeully.

And considering that in the interview I linked to, he made no apologies for the fact that he was uncomfortable with one of the surgeons that was going to treat him during a battle with cancer because his name was "Abdallah", until he found out that, thank god, the guy was actually a Christian, I'm going to go ahead and presume that no he would not consider Mr. Ijaz.

Q: When speaking about your battle with cancer at the Milner church, at one point, you indicate that you were a little uncomfortable when you found out that your surgeon's name was Abdallah, until you found out he was a Lebanese Christian. So what's your perspective on the role of Muslims in American society?


A: The role of Muslims in American society is for them to be allowed to practice their religion freely, which is part of our First Amendment. The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion. That I resent. Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation, from the fact that 85 percent of us are self-described Christians, or evangelicals, or practicing the Jewish faith. Eighty-five percent. One percent of the practicing religious believers in this country are Muslim.
And so I push back and reject them trying to convert the rest of us. And based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them. Now, I know that there are some peaceful Muslims who don't go around preaching or practicing that. Well, unfortunately, we can't sit back and tolerate the radical ones simply because we know that there are some of them who don't believe in that aspect of the Muslim religion. So their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely, just like we should be allowed to practice our religion freely, and not try to convert the rest of us.

[scaeagles]

That is certianly unfortunate. I read the interview and did find parts of it disturbing.

I think it is the right of anyone practicing any religion to attempt to convert anyone they wish. Unless, of course, it involves killing those who won't.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

That is certianly unfortunate. I read the interview and did find parts of it disturbing.

I think it is the right of anyone practicing any religion to attempt to convert anyone they wish. Unless, of course, it involves killing those who won't.

That's far from the most disturbing part. The most disturbing part is that he is equating a Muslim practicing medicine as a licensed surgeon with attempts to convert and murderous extremism.

[scaeagles]

On re-read I see how you could view it that way, but his answer seems to ignore the "so". I see a disconnect in his answer from relating it to the preface of the question (involving his surgeon) and going straight to how he views Islam in American society in general.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

On re-read I see how you could view it that way, but his answer seems to ignore the "so". I see a disconnect in his answer from relating it to the preface of the question (involving his surgeon) and going straight to how he views Islam in American society in general.

Except his answer perfectly explains his reason for being uneasy about a surgeon with a Muslim-sounding name. He thinks they are all out to either convert or murder him, and therefore should be avoided, pushed back against, and rejected. I see no disconnect between his answer and why he would have had a problem with a surgeon named Abdallah.

[scaeagles]

So how ya'll feeling about the reauthorization of the Patriot Act for 4 more years?

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

So how ya'll feeling about the reauthorization of the Patriot Act for 4 more years?

Betrayed.