The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 613

DreadPirateRoberts · 06-21-2011, 02:35 PM

When I hear Huntsman, I always think of this:

Strangler Lewis · 06-21-2011, 04:23 PM

I think Huckabee played good cop for a while, too.

If Huntsman gets the nomination, how soon before Obama is referred to as President Footman?

Ghoulish Delight · 06-21-2011, 04:36 PM

The difference being that Huntsman has a record of actually acting in accordance with that statement, not just paying it lip service.

Not that the extreme and unique pressures on a Presidential candidate can't change that. And really, he's never going to win the nomination by saying 'I respect Obama', so I'm sure if he does become the nominee he'll have spent all that good will by the time it gets to that point. But, individual issues aside, if he doesn't sell out on the principles he's made it this far with, I'd be happy to see him run. Might even throw an open primary vote his way.

Alex · 06-21-2011, 04:47 PM

I was talking about Huntsman. I've not yet seen much good to say about Perry (but admittedly I haven't looked at him particularly closely).

Ghoulish Delight · 06-23-2011, 07:07 AM

Hey, did anyone else forget that Sarah Palin's stupid bus tour was still happening? Because I did. Which is probably why she gave up on it, no one gave a sh*t.

There's hope for this country yet.

3894 · 06-23-2011, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Hey, did anyone else forget that Sarah Palin's stupid bus tour was still happening? Because I did. Which is probably why she gave up on it, no one gave a sh*t.

There's hope for this country yet.

Join me in spelling her name $arah Palin?

Also, bring the troops home from Afghanistan, Obama. Enough already.

alphabassettgrrl · 06-23-2011, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Hey, did anyone else forget that Sarah Palin's stupid bus tour was still happening? Because I did. Which is probably why she gave up on it, no one gave a sh*t.

There's hope for this country yet.

Yeah, I did forget.

Glad she gave up. Go home to Alaska where people know you well enough to ignore you.

cirquelover · 06-24-2011, 02:27 PM

I'm not surprised really. She seems to quit everything, even being Governor!

Ghoulish Delight · 06-27-2011, 11:23 AM

The jury in Blagojevich's retrial has come to a verdict on most of the counts, after the previous jury deadlocked.

I read this bit in an msnbc report:

Quote:

When jurors do deadlock, it is often at trials where the charges are complex and where the evidence appears ambiguous, a 2002 federally funded study by The National Center for State Courts found.

Umm, it took a study to figure that out? When jury's can't agree, it's because the case is complex and ambiguous. Published in the pages of Duh Magazine no doubt.
(I'm sure the study said a lot more than that, I was just amuse at how stupidly trivial that summary sounds).

Alex · 06-27-2011, 11:58 AM

I was curious so found this report giving more detail about the study. Has some interesting stuff.

"Complexity" isn't necessarily a "well, duh?" answer. Other things that came immediately to mind as possibly producing more hung juries were:

1. Number of charges. IF the indictment has 43 charges to consider, even if each is straightforward, do juries just kind of give up.
2. Duration of trial (the report I see does mention that and found that juries did not necessarily view long trials as more complex).
3. Power relationship of the parties (a friend was on a jury that hung after mroe than a year of trial and deliberations because one juror essentially said "I can't find a cop guilty.")
4. Perception of competence of the lawyers/judges.
5. Issues likely to produce nullification attempts by at least one juror ("I know technically he's guilty, but I don't like the law")
6. Social dynamics among jurors in deliberations. Interestingly (to me it seems counterintuitive) juries that hang take their first vote earlier in deliberations than juries that don't hang.

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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	The difference being that Huntsman has a record of actually acting in accordance with that statement, not just paying it lip service. Not that the extreme and unique pressures on a Presidential candidate can't change that. And really, he's never going to win the nomination by saying 'I respect Obama', so I'm sure if he does become the nominee he'll have spent all that good will by the time it gets to that point. But, individual issues aside, if he doesn't sell out on the principles he's made it this far with, I'd be happy to see him run. Might even throw an open primary vote his way. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I was talking about Huntsman. I've not yet seen much good to say about Perry (but admittedly I haven't looked at him particularly closely).
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Hey, did anyone else forget that Sarah Palin's stupid bus tour was still happening? Because I did. Which is probably why she gave up on it, no one gave a sh*t. There's hope for this country yet. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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cirquelover Cruising around in my automobile... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,617	I'm not surprised really. She seems to quit everything, even being Governor!
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06-27-2011, 11:58 AM	#10
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I was curious so found this report giving more detail about the study. Has some interesting stuff. "Complexity" isn't necessarily a "well, duh?" answer. Other things that came immediately to mind as possibly producing more hung juries were: 1. Number of charges. IF the indictment has 43 charges to consider, even if each is straightforward, do juries just kind of give up. 2. Duration of trial (the report I see does mention that and found that juries did not necessarily view long trials as more complex). 3. Power relationship of the parties (a friend was on a jury that hung after mroe than a year of trial and deliberations because one juror essentially said "I can't find a cop guilty.") 4. Perception of competence of the lawyers/judges. 5. Issues likely to produce nullification attempts by at least one juror ("I know technically he's guilty, but I don't like the law") 6. Social dynamics among jurors in deliberations. Interestingly (to me it seems counterintuitive) juries that hang take their first vote earlier in deliberations than juries that don't hang.
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