The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 630

Alex · 12-13-2010, 02:08 PM

Without a mandate it doesn't work at all. Since if insurer's can't reject for prior conditions, and there are price controls, then the lack of a mandate means the smart thing to do is just wait until you get sick and then go buy insurance.

Personally, I'd say the best way to handle this constitutional issue (if it remains one, a district court judge isn't going to be the final say by a long shot and undoing this law could be difficult without the court undoing a lot of settled law around the commerce clause) is:

Option A
You make buying health insurance optional with all the existing provisions for subsidy and whatnot. And you say "and hospitals will no longer receive any federal reimbursement for care provided to uninsured individuals. It is legal to let these people die in your parking lot since they chose to not get insurance."

Option B
If it is indeed constitutional for states to have a mandate (and is there any challenge still standing to the constitutionality of Massachusetts mandate)? Then the federal government sets up the framework and runs it through states where getting any piece of the federal healthcare pie requires the state to have local mandates. Then all those government who insisted they didn't want federal money anyway can put their money where their mouths are.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-20-2010, 05:56 PM

As detestable as I find the subject of Philip Ray Greaves' book, his arrest bothers me.

innerSpaceman · 12-20-2010, 07:28 PM

I'm unclear on the details. What are the charges? I don't think there is a criminal statute for detestable subject matter. Perhaps the theory is that the book aids and abets pedophilia? It's a stretch.

Alex · 12-20-2010, 07:45 PM

Obscenity

Ghoulish Delight · 12-20-2010, 07:46 PM

It's a stretch. He lives in Colorado I believe. The AG of Florida (who's an anti child porn crusader) ordered a copy of the book, interpreted that as giving him jurisdiction to prosecute him under Florida's rather broad obscenity laws. It's questionable whether the extradition will go through.

Alex · 12-20-2010, 08:58 PM

Eugene Volokh (a UCLA law professor who has written on the law around crime facilitating speech) posted on his blog about the case.

http://volokh.com/2010/12/20/pedophi...scenity-charge

BarTopDancer · 12-22-2010, 12:35 PM

Awww. It looks like some members of the GoP (namely those who decided to not work over the holiday break) are upset about the work Congress has been doing this week during it's "lame duck" session.

Guess they should have gone to work! I wonder what their constituents think about that.

alphabassettgrrl · 12-22-2010, 03:09 PM

Yeah. "We stopped any work getting done." "Oh, look, it's too late to do any work." "What? You're working? How awful." And now claiming that they don't have time to review the bills they're voting on.

Whatever. Maybe you shouldn't have stopped all the work when you had time to review things.

JWBear · 01-20-2011, 07:55 PM

Another right-wing psychopath. Luckily, he was caught in time.

Alex · 01-23-2011, 11:16 PM

I'll be on a boat and will resist any temptation to actually watch the State of the Union since it is even more irrelevant now than in most years.

But I just want to put it on record that when I'm elected president I'm going to go back to the pre-Wilson norm of delivering the state of the union in letter form.

And unlike Jimmy Carter, the last president to just send a letter, it isn't going to be some long thing. It will just say

Quote:

Dear Congress:

Is good.

The President

And I will do it this way for no other reason than to watch the cable show pundits stroke out.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Without a mandate it doesn't work at all. Since if insurer's can't reject for prior conditions, and there are price controls, then the lack of a mandate means the smart thing to do is just wait until you get sick and then go buy insurance. Personally, I'd say the best way to handle this constitutional issue (if it remains one, a district court judge isn't going to be the final say by a long shot and undoing this law could be difficult without the court undoing a lot of settled law around the commerce clause) is: Option A You make buying health insurance optional with all the existing provisions for subsidy and whatnot. And you say "and hospitals will no longer receive any federal reimbursement for care provided to uninsured individuals. It is legal to let these people die in your parking lot since they chose to not get insurance." Option B If it is indeed constitutional for states to have a mandate (and is there any challenge still standing to the constitutionality of Massachusetts mandate)? Then the federal government sets up the framework and runs it through states where getting any piece of the federal healthcare pie requires the state to have local mandates. Then all those government who insisted they didn't want federal money anyway can put their money where their mouths are.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	As detestable as I find the subject of Philip Ray Greaves' book, his arrest bothers me. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I'm unclear on the details. What are the charges? I don't think there is a criminal statute for detestable subject matter. Perhaps the theory is that the book aids and abets pedophilia? It's a stretch.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Obscenity
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12-20-2010, 07:46 PM	#6295
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	It's a stretch. He lives in Colorado I believe. The AG of Florida (who's an anti child porn crusader) ordered a copy of the book, interpreted that as giving him jurisdiction to prosecute him under Florida's rather broad obscenity laws. It's questionable whether the extradition will go through. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-20-2010, 08:58 PM	#6296
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Eugene Volokh (a UCLA law professor who has written on the law around crime facilitating speech) posted on his blog about the case. http://volokh.com/2010/12/20/pedophi...scenity-charge
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Awww. It looks like some members of the GoP (namely those who decided to not work over the holiday break) are upset about the work Congress has been doing this week during it's "lame duck" session. Guess they should have gone to work! I wonder what their constituents think about that. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	Yeah. "We stopped any work getting done." "Oh, look, it's too late to do any work." "What? You're working? How awful." And now claiming that they don't have time to review the bills they're voting on. Whatever. Maybe you shouldn't have stopped all the work when you had time to review things. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Another right-wing psychopath. Luckily, he was caught in time. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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