The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 654

Ghoulish Delight · 09-19-2011, 09:28 AM

"This is not class warfare, it's math."

Huh, not too sure that's going to get more people on your side there, Barry.

sleepyjeff · 09-21-2011, 11:16 AM

^ LOL

He should have said "lunch"

JWBear · 09-21-2011, 11:20 AM

The thing is... It is class warfare, but it was the rich and powerfull who started it 30 years ago.

sleepyjeff · 09-21-2011, 12:51 PM

^Now in this version of Reagan is he the evil corporate stooge or the demi-progressive that the tea party would never vote for today.

Forgive me, but sometimes it's hard to keep up

JWBear · 09-21-2011, 01:27 PM

Neither and both. Things are not that simplistic. Also, it wasn't just (or even mostly) Reagan.

sleepyjeff · 09-21-2011, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear

Neither and both. Things are not that simplistic. Also, it wasn't just (or even mostly) Reagan.

Fair enough.

JWBear · 09-22-2011, 10:45 AM

Interesting...

Number of federal employees (excluding military) in 1980: 1.2 million
Number of federal employees (excluding military) in 2010: 1.3 million
An 8% increase

Population of the US in 1980: 226 million
Population of the US in 2010: 312 million
A 38% increase

Federal spending as a percent of the GDP in 1980: 21.7%
Federal spending as a percent of the GDP in 2010: 25.4%

So much for "out of control government spending"!

Alex · 09-22-2011, 11:22 AM

Well, that shows that the government has certainly become more productive at spending money (they spend much more money, relative and absolute, with only a few more employees), but I'm not sure I see how how a 17% increase in the relative size of government is a repudiation of the idea that government has become too big.

It isn't evidence of it either, but I don't how your first two numbers have much connection to your third in reaching your conclusion.

JWBear · 09-22-2011, 11:57 AM

According to the right, the ranks of federal employees have swelled all out of proportion. We are also told that government spending has multiplied. These numbers clearly show that neither talking points are true. While government spending has increases slightly in regards to the GDP (almost completely due to military spending, TARP, and the stimulus), the federal workforce as a percentage of the total population has shrunk.

The Federal Government is in no way "out of control".

alphabassettgrrl · 09-22-2011, 01:41 PM

Aww, come on, why let the facts get in the way of a good sound-bite?

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09-21-2011, 11:20 AM	#6533
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	The thing is... It is class warfare, but it was the rich and powerfull who started it 30 years ago. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	^Now in this version of Reagan is he the evil corporate stooge or the demi-progressive that the tea party would never vote for today. Forgive me, but sometimes it's hard to keep up __________________ River Guardian-less
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Neither and both. Things are not that simplistic. Also, it wasn't just (or even mostly) Reagan. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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09-22-2011, 10:45 AM	#6537
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Interesting... Number of federal employees (excluding military) in 1980: 1.2 million Number of federal employees (excluding military) in 2010: 1.3 million An 8% increase Population of the US in 1980: 226 million Population of the US in 2010: 312 million A 38% increase Federal spending as a percent of the GDP in 1980: 21.7% Federal spending as a percent of the GDP in 2010: 25.4% So much for "out of control government spending"! __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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09-22-2011, 11:22 AM	#6538
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Well, that shows that the government has certainly become more productive at spending money (they spend much more money, relative and absolute, with only a few more employees), but I'm not sure I see how how a 17% increase in the relative size of government is a repudiation of the idea that government has become too big. It isn't evidence of it either, but I don't how your first two numbers have much connection to your third in reaching your conclusion.
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09-22-2011, 11:57 AM	#6539
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	According to the right, the ranks of federal employees have swelled all out of proportion. We are also told that government spending has multiplied. These numbers clearly show that neither talking points are true. While government spending has increases slightly in regards to the GDP (almost completely due to military spending, TARP, and the stimulus), the federal workforce as a percentage of the total population has shrunk. The Federal Government is in no way "out of control". __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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