All About McCain

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Here's the thing. If you look just look a the rhetoric, you'd think that there are sex ed classes that somehow hide the concept of abstinence.

From what I recall of my 10th grade sex ed classes they pretty much did hide the concept of abstinence.....yeah, they told us about it; they did say it was the best way to avoid pregnancy etc; but they spent all of two minutes(or about 1/20 the time they spent explaining how to buy a condom) on the idea.

Two minutes on abstinence out of a total of 9 weeks of sex ed to me might as well have been hiding the concept; but that's just my 2 cents.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

From what I recall of my 10th grade sex ed classes they pretty much did hide the concept of abstinence.....yeah, they told us about it; they did say it was the best way to avoid pregnancy etc; but they spent all of two minutes(or about 1/20 the time they spent explaining how to buy a condom) on the idea.

Two minutes on abstinence out of a total of 9 weeks of sex ed to me might as well have been hiding the concept; but that's just my 2 cents.

You had 9 WEEKS of sex ed? Wow. We had a 1/2 session I think twice - once in elementry and once in jr. high.

[scaeagles]

Elders did resign soon after her statements, and I think that was because she meant for it to become pretty explicit. Just my thinking though. I'm not suggesting there are or are not classes like that. I have no idea, really.

I'll even strengthen my statement regarding Elders....I'm positive she wanted much more explicit stuff than was out there.

However, this is not a thread about Elders. I merely suggesting what I think Palin might have been referring to in her "explicit" comments.

[Strangler Lewis]

Only in England.

[BarTopDancer]

I think the most explicit our sex-ed assembly in high school got was demonstrating putting a condom on a banana.

They did also covered that the only 100% way to be sure to not get pregnant was to not have sex but if you're going to have sex here are some things you should think about before hand - and then went into emotional readiness, peer pressure and diseases.

[Alex]

Everything I know about sex I learned from the episode of Happy Days where Fonzie has to teach the sex ed class.

[mousepod]

Meanwhile, the conversation of Sex-Ed makes me think not about what Sarah Palin (not currently running for President) might think about it, but how John McCain (currently running for President) intentionally mischaracterized Obama's plan for "age specific sex education" - y'know... telling kids how to avoid "inappropriate touches" - as "sex education for kindergartners".

Please, John... you know you don't have my vote this time... but if you want my respect, please tell Rove "Thanks but no thanks" to his disgusting tactics.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by mousepod

John McCain (currently running for President) intentionally mischaracterized Obama's plan for "age specific sex education" - y'know... telling kids how to avoid "inappropriate touches" - as "sex education for kindergartners".

As I have understood it and looked into the exact language of the bill in question, here is the exact language from the bill itself that was passed.

Here is the bill itself.

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV AIDS.

Originally the language was for 6 though 12, but that was crossed out and the bill was passed with the K in stead of the 6.

As I read that, this means that sex ed taught to kindergarteners SHALL include what followed.

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

As I have understood it and looked into the exact language of the bill in question, here is the exact language from the bill itself that was passed.

Here is the bill itself.



Originally the language was for 6 though 12, but that was crossed out and the bill was passed with the K in stead of the 6.

As I read that, this means that sex ed taught to kindergarteners SHALL include what followed.

scaeagles - please don't insult everyone's intelligence by refuting my post with another partial quotation.

How about this part of the same document:

All course material and instruction shall be age and developmentally appropriate

I stand by my original statement.

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

As I read that, this means that sex ed taught to kindergarteners SHALL include what followed.

What's wrong with teaching kindergarteners about age-appropriate information regarding sex, relationships, and reproduction?

Dr. Laura started talking to her son, Derek, about sex-related things VERY early on, just as part of his growing up. As a really young kid, when he was learning about body parts and about his normal bodily functions, she didn't mask words related to certain body parts, she just used normal words. And as he grew up she helped explain to him about how babies are created, and what happens during pregnancy, etc. and I believe he was probably only around 7 or 8 when he learned that some women have their pregnancies terminated (she let him come to his own realization that a woman ending a pregnancy meant she was having the "baby inside the mother" killed)... learning about sex and reproduction as part of life and growing up, as part of a whole, and understanding how integral relationships are to sex, was the way she chose to teach her son.

So no, if it's age-appropriate I don't have any problem with teaching kids early.

Seriously, if we are thinking of teaching kids "sex ed" for the first time when they are 14, it is often too late for many of them. Same with drug education. These things need to be introduced very early on while they are still forming their opinion about life.