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Alex · 10-13-2010, 11:10 AM

Isn't it about both? They still seem to be quite vigorous in their campaigns against Democrats even once they've successfully guaranteed that the incumbent Republican will not be returning to office.

And if it is just about getting rid of RINOs why did the movement only swell to fruition at the moment that the RINOs no longer had the reins of power?

scaeagles · 10-13-2010, 11:53 AM

If the republican party was still fiscally conservative there would be no tea party. They would throw their full support behind the existing republican establishment. So that's why it was born. Of course there will be opposition to the democrats, but it wasn't born out of opposition to them - it was born out of opposition to the republican establishment.

JWBear · 10-13-2010, 11:56 AM

Ok... then why all the anti-Obama signs at tea party rallys?

scaeagles · 10-13-2010, 12:08 PM

That is a good point, no denying that.

However, I still maintain that if the Republicans were fiscally responsible there would be no tea party movement. The tea partiers would be at republican rallies holding up anti-Obama signs rather than tea party rallies doing the same.

JWBear · 10-13-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

That is a good point, no denying that.

However, I still maintain that if the Republicans were fiscally responsible there would be no tea party movement. The tea partiers would be at republican rallies holding up anti-Obama signs rather than tea party rallies doing the same.

I disagree. My observation is that they were anti-Obama and anti-Democrat in the begining, and only became anti-establisment Republican later.

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2010, 12:16 PM

Take all this Teabagger stuff out of the gay thread, huh?

They can be Tea Partiers in the political thread if you like, but not here.

Alex · 10-13-2010, 12:47 PM

Question that may clarify for me your view.

Do you view the Tea Party movement as it currently exists as the same thing as the Tea Party movement that started with the Ron Paul candidacy?

I'd argue that the latter is essentially distinct at this point from the Tea Party movement re-inspired by Rick Santelli and other folks in specific response to Obama's economic stimulus and mortgage bailout plans (including many folk who had been strangely silent when faced with Bush's somewhat similar plans).

Alex · 10-13-2010, 12:51 PM

Didn't see the last post by ISM, it was on a different page. If scaeagles wants to answer int he politics thread I'll follow there.

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2010, 06:36 PM

And Alex, you or anyone is free to discuss the Tea Baggers here, but you must call them Tea Baggers while in this particular thread. That's the rule.

Chernabog · 10-17-2010, 12:27 PM

Here's more proof about what I was saying earlier about Dear Leader:

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Originally Posted by Towleroad

During a rally in Boston yesterday, a group of gay rights activists and AIDS research supporters interrupted a speech from President Obama while he was stumping for Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick. Reportedly chants included "Mr. President, stop the bigotry! Support marriage equality!," "Do you also oppose Atheist Marriage?," and "Would
you want a Civil Union?"

Mediaite reports on the incident, which seemed to noticeably agitate the president:

"The President appeared uncharacteristically upset as, mid-sentence, a group of folks in the crowd began to loudly object to his speech as he described the work his administration had done for AIDS research. As the crowd turned their heads up to look at the hecklers, President Obama followed as well, and modified his speech for them, menacingly pointing his finger up at them as he warned that a Republican leadership would be extremely destructive to their cause. After raising his voice mid-sentence in response to them, President Obama continued: “One of the great things about being a Democrat is, we like arguing with each other. But to the folks concerned about AIDS funding, I would say ‘take a look at what the Republican leadership has to say about AIDS funding.’”

And again, there's that rhetoric -- hey, you think I'm bad, look at what the other guy would have done!!!!

Ummmmmm how about having good policies and ethics yourself! The other guy wasn't elected, YOU were elected. So grow a fvcking spine.

Now, what's doubly stupid about the above response by Obama is that one of the very few things Georgie W. Bush did well was ..... AIDS FUNDING.

10-13-2010, 11:10 AM	#1
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Isn't it about both? They still seem to be quite vigorous in their campaigns against Democrats even once they've successfully guaranteed that the incumbent Republican will not be returning to office. And if it is just about getting rid of RINOs why did the movement only swell to fruition at the moment that the RINOs no longer had the reins of power?
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10-13-2010, 11:53 AM	#2
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	If the republican party was still fiscally conservative there would be no tea party. They would throw their full support behind the existing republican establishment. So that's why it was born. Of course there will be opposition to the democrats, but it wasn't born out of opposition to them - it was born out of opposition to the republican establishment.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Ok... then why all the anti-Obama signs at tea party rallys? __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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10-13-2010, 12:08 PM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	That is a good point, no denying that. However, I still maintain that if the Republicans were fiscally responsible there would be no tea party movement. The tea partiers would be at republican rallies holding up anti-Obama signs rather than tea party rallies doing the same.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Take all this Teabagger stuff out of the gay thread, huh? They can be Tea Partiers in the political thread if you like, but not here.
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10-13-2010, 12:47 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Question that may clarify for me your view. Do you view the Tea Party movement as it currently exists as the same thing as the Tea Party movement that started with the Ron Paul candidacy? I'd argue that the latter is essentially distinct at this point from the Tea Party movement re-inspired by Rick Santelli and other folks in specific response to Obama's economic stimulus and mortgage bailout plans (including many folk who had been strangely silent when faced with Bush's somewhat similar plans).
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10-13-2010, 12:51 PM	#8
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Didn't see the last post by ISM, it was on a different page. If scaeagles wants to answer int he politics thread I'll follow there.
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10-13-2010, 06:36 PM	#9
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And Alex, you or anyone is free to discuss the Tea Baggers here, but you must call them Tea Baggers while in this particular thread. That's the rule.
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