did John Kerry just call soldiers stupid? - Page 7

Tramspotter · 11-01-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

He still never said that all military people are idiots. He said that people who don't succeed in Bush's hand-designed "education" system are left with one path.

I realize that you are defending someone elses miss statement which on the face of it is not easy to do. But when taking down an argument using strictist set of greek rules of logical absolutes what is wrong with your version of what Cary "actualy ment to say?"

MouseWife · 11-01-2006, 09:00 PM

Kind of ironic, this topic of 'No Child Left Behind'.

Today I received a mailing from the school district.

It says "...the local education agency receiving money, under federal law, to provide military recruiters with access to student's names, addresses, and telephone number."

It also states that 16 schools are designated "Title I" schools becasue they receive federal funding to improve the reading and/or math schores of their underperforming students.

Funny I received this because my sons' school isn't on the list but...

But, it claims that it requires districts to notify parents of all children in Title I schools that you have the right to request and receive timely information on the professional qualifications of your child's classroom teachers. And it goes on to list different things you can ask.

Okay. Why do they have to give the information to military recruiters? And the schools have to allow recruiters on the campus to meet with the children. If they don't they don't receive funding. Why these 'Title I' schools that are in need of funding for underperforming students are on the list to have their names given to recruiters?

We do have the option to send in a paper to refuse to allow our sons name be given. Even though he is in a different school I am still going to send it in to avoid any problems.

So. How does this fit in with the topic? Go at it.

scaeagles · 11-01-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Don't believe what is true?

To paraphrase, I don't believe that the members of the military are 1) dumber than the average citizen or 2) only in the military because they couldn't find a different job or 3) that they are less educated so that the military was their only option.

DisneyFan25863 · 11-01-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MouseWife

Kind of ironic, this topic of 'No Child Left Behind'.

Funny thing is...they give the info to the military anyway. We have recruiters on campus all the time, and we are no where near Title I requirements.

Not to mention there is ROTC, which is basically a giant recruiting vehicle for the military.

Nephythys · 11-01-2006, 10:58 PM

I don't get it MBC- who are you to call any outrage "feigned"?

You seem willing to give Kerry a pass- and trust to his intent and not his words- which even he say were "botched" but you throw out the reaction as being feigned (and it is not simply on the right)-

It just seems to me that you are willing to give credence to the one who says what you agree with- and dismiss as disingenuous the one you do not.

wendybeth · 11-01-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

It just seems to me that you are willing to give credence to the one who says what you agree with- and dismiss as disingenuous the one you do not.

Something we all do, including you.

innerSpaceman · 11-01-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman, posting in the wrong thread about Kerry ...

Oh, I think anybody is responsible for the words they say ... but how can anyone be responsible for other people's reactions or upset? Those reactions are completely up to the persons having them ... or do they have no free will while the speaker has complete free will? (don't answer that, Alex).

In a very real sense, I feel a speaker bears a certain responsiblity for how his or her words are taken ... in that if they are not taken they way the speaker meant, then the speaker has failed in some way. I think John Kerry failed in a big way. But even that failure does not make him, or anyone, responsible for reactions. He is only responsible for his words, not what others make of them.

If, based on reactions, a speaker judges to adjust his words, that is wisdom. If anyone claims a speaker responsible for the reactions to those words, that is folly.

So why is Neph talking about Kerry is the Random thread when there are two perfectly good specifically Kerry threads in progress?

wendybeth · 11-01-2006, 11:36 PM

Spreading the joy.

€uroMeinke · 11-01-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So why is Neph talking about Kerry is the Random thread when there are two perfectly good specifically Kerry threads in progress?

I believe it is a test of your moderating abilities

innerSpaceman · 11-01-2006, 11:38 PM

Nephy's entire presence here is a test of my moderating abilities.

11-01-2006, 09:00 PM	#62
MouseWife Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Da' Beach Posts: 2,957	Kind of ironic, this topic of 'No Child Left Behind'. Today I received a mailing from the school district. It says "...the local education agency receiving money, under federal law, to provide military recruiters with access to student's names, addresses, and telephone number." It also states that 16 schools are designated "Title I" schools becasue they receive federal funding to improve the reading and/or math schores of their underperforming students. Funny I received this because my sons' school isn't on the list but... But, it claims that it requires districts to notify parents of all children in Title I schools that you have the right to request and receive timely information on the professional qualifications of your child's classroom teachers. And it goes on to list different things you can ask. Okay. Why do they have to give the information to military recruiters? And the schools have to allow recruiters on the campus to meet with the children. If they don't they don't receive funding. Why these 'Title I' schools that are in need of funding for underperforming students are on the list to have their names given to recruiters? We do have the option to send in a paper to refuse to allow our sons name be given. Even though he is in a different school I am still going to send it in to avoid any problems. So. How does this fit in with the topic? Go at it. __________________ Summa' time....when the livins' easy.........
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11-01-2006, 10:58 PM	#65
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	I don't get it MBC- who are you to call any outrage "feigned"? You seem willing to give Kerry a pass- and trust to his intent and not his words- which even he say were "botched" but you throw out the reaction as being feigned (and it is not simply on the right)- It just seems to me that you are willing to give credence to the one who says what you agree with- and dismiss as disingenuous the one you do not.
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Spreading the joy. __________________
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Nephy's entire presence here is a test of my moderating abilities.
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