The Schiavo issue - Page 7

Claire · 03-19-2005, 12:59 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150922,00.html

If it was possible to make me feel a tiny bit better about her manner of death, this article provided it.....still horrible, still disgusting, but gave me a little peace on the issue.

scaeagles · 03-19-2005, 01:16 PM

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But if "government" was really to respond to the concerns of every constituent, what would that entail, exactly? Are they (our governor, senators, and representatives) really compelled to become involved in every single personal situation where their assistance is requested? How would that work?

In my opinion, the Democrats are keeping too low a profile on this one. Oh well. Let the Republicans hang themselves on their "life" issues.

So the Republicans are too involved, but the dems should be more so? So are you saying you want the government out of it, or that you want the portion of the government that disagrees with you out of it?

Of course members of the government are not compelled to become involved in what is requested of them. But they have chosen to on this one. Recently my representative became involved in in the case of a man from our district that was jailed in Mexico because he had a firearm in his vehicle that he was unaware of. Should he have become involved in that? Was he compelled to, or did it seem like a matter of life and death for a constituent?

Claire · 03-19-2005, 02:00 PM

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So the Republicans are too involved, but the dems should be more so? So are you saying you want the government out of it, or that you want the portion of the government that disagrees with you out of it?

No. Not at all. My wish was for them (Democrats) to be a little more vocal about the inappropriateness of activity such as calling Terri Schiavo as a witness in order to block the removal of her feeding tube. And actually I think I'm okay with the Republicans spouting their "culture of life" rhetoric. It's thin and tired. I'm hoping that since the public opinion polls seem to be heavily on the side of Michael Shiavo that they'll back down a little.

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And then I wonder what would happen if it was my husband with the feeding tube, and his parents insisted they wanted to keep the tube in. I can only imagine the things they would say about me. Meanwhile I think they don't know him, at least the adult him, half as well as they think they do.

Exactly the discussion my husband and I had this morning over coffee and the newspaper. We both agreed that our parents don't know the adult "us," and that we'd rather have one another in charge of life or death decisions, and that we want it in writing. Our daughter's preschool auction is next week, and we're already planning to purchase a "will-writing" package donated by a lawyer in our neighborhood. The thought of my Bill O-Reilleyesque/Rush Limbaugh lovin' father attempting to decide my fate someday is too much for both of us to bear.

SacTown Chronic · 03-21-2005, 09:24 AM

Boy, that Mr. Bush is one compassionate man! I mean, wow, cutting short one of his legendarily frequent vacations to save this woman's life (nevermind that the poor woman wants to die). Cynics will say that he's just paying off his debt to the self-righteous fundamentalists who are his base, but we know better, don't we? When Mr. Bush states, as he did last night, that, "In cases like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws and our courts should have a presumtion in favor of life.", we should assume that he is sincere, right?

Then again, pandering to his base seems to be his m.o., so maybe we should assume nothing. When his base was the Try 'em and Fry 'em state of Texas , he had all the compassion of a rock. Executing the mentally retarded and then lying about it when you ran for president? That's low, even for you Mr. Bush. I mean, really, Mr. Bush, fighting a ban that would prevent the execution of those with an IQ of 65 or lower? For shame. Maybe compassionate conservatism means making sure Ol' Sparky's sponges are wet before frying someone who cannot comprehend what is happening to him, and who is wondering where the hell that hotdog smell is coming from. Where was all that "presumption in favor of life" talk when there were serious doubts about the competency of your execution victims to even comprehend what was happening to them, Mr. Bush?

And you, Mr. DeLay, you are some piece of work. Watching you lecture the nation about morals last night sent me in search of a hot shower. It was like watching a Saddam Hussein lecture about preventing the abuse of human rights. I have one word for you and your idea of morals, Mr. Delay. And that word, of course, is ::shudder::.

Nephythys · 03-19-2005, 12:20 PM

another account-

Atty says Terri cried at the news

Nephythys · 03-21-2005, 09:44 AM

Oh yes, and those "vacations" when he does everything he does at the White House- except he does it in TX. Heaven forbid!

SacTown Chronic · 03-21-2005, 10:02 AM

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Oh yes, and those "vacations" when he does everything he does at the White House- except he does it in TX. Heaven forbid!

Really? I have no idea what he does while on vacation (though I hear that abstaining from sex takes up most of his time) so I'll take your word for it.

Nephythys · 03-21-2005, 10:05 AM

and that is why I stay away from these things-can you see through your hatred? Or does the red cloud your vision?

Bye-gonna go lounge it.

Not Afraid · 03-21-2005, 11:04 AM

OK. Now I'm pissed. In. Out. In. Out. The poor woman! Can't we have some death with dignity any longer? Can I just request here that I want MY feeding tube removed? And, Bush - any of the idiots - can't do any thing about it?

surfinmuse · 03-21-2005, 12:51 PM

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... Can I just request here that I want MY feeding tube removed?...

Okay I just read up on this case, had to do a bit of catch-up. So it seems like she didn't have an "ADVANCE HEALTHCARE DIRECTIVE," right? I know a bit about this stuff since my sister works in Hospice and EOL (End-Of-Life) care stuff. I think the Advance Healthcare Directive (I think that's the proper legalese) is something included in your Living Will & Trust. Sounds to me like she didn't have one.

Then again, I'm wondering how fool-proof those are. I mean, if this entire fiasco of government intervention (though one is reminded that perhaps it started w/ her parents?) is any indication, maybe the parameters of one's healthcare directive can be challenged by an opposing party.

03-19-2005, 12:59 PM	#1
Claire Shagilicious Disneyland!! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fulfilling my destiny..... Posts: 740	http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150922,00.html If it was possible to make me feel a tiny bit better about her manner of death, this article provided it.....still horrible, still disgusting, but gave me a little peace on the issue. __________________ Miles: It tastes like the back of a fing L.A. school bus. Now they probably didn't de-stem, hoping for some semblance of concentration, crushed it up with leaves and mice, and then wound up with this rancid tar and turpentine bull**. Fin' Raid. Jack: Tastes pretty good to me.
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03-21-2005, 09:24 AM	#4
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Boy, that Mr. Bush is one compassionate man! I mean, wow, cutting short one of his legendarily frequent vacations to save this woman's life (nevermind that the poor woman wants to die). Cynics will say that he's just paying off his debt to the self-righteous fundamentalists who are his base, but we know better, don't we? When Mr. Bush states, as he did last night, that, "In cases like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws and our courts should have a presumtion in favor of life.", we should assume that he is sincere, right? Then again, pandering to his base seems to be his m.o., so maybe we should assume nothing. When his base was the Try 'em and Fry 'em state of Texas , he had all the compassion of a rock. Executing the mentally retarded and then lying about it when you ran for president? That's low, even for you Mr. Bush. I mean, really, Mr. Bush, fighting a ban that would prevent the execution of those with an IQ of 65 or lower? For shame. Maybe compassionate conservatism means making sure Ol' Sparky's sponges are wet before frying someone who cannot comprehend what is happening to him, and who is wondering where the hell that hotdog smell is coming from. Where was all that "presumption in favor of life" talk when there were serious doubts about the competency of your execution victims to even comprehend what was happening to them, Mr. Bush? And you, Mr. DeLay, you are some piece of work. Watching you lecture the nation about morals last night sent me in search of a hot shower. It was like watching a Saddam Hussein lecture about preventing the abuse of human rights. I have one word for you and your idea of morals, Mr. Delay. And that word, of course, is ::shudder::. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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03-19-2005, 12:20 PM	#5
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	another account- Atty says Terri cried at the news
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03-21-2005, 09:44 AM	#6
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	Oh yes, and those "vacations" when he does everything he does at the White House- except he does it in TX. Heaven forbid!
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03-21-2005, 10:05 AM	#8
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	and that is why I stay away from these things-can you see through your hatred? Or does the red cloud your vision? Bye-gonna go lounge it.
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03-21-2005, 11:04 AM	#9
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	OK. Now I'm pissed. In. Out. In. Out. The poor woman! Can't we have some death with dignity any longer? Can I just request here that I want MY feeding tube removed? And, Bush - any of the idiots - can't do any thing about it?
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