Soooooo......

[JWBear]

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Found out today that the 2nd Tuesday of the month is free at LACMA. Who knew? Didn't see Tim Burton, but we saw just about everything else.

[JWBear]

I got so cold last night that we almost turned the heat on; and today I hit some rain on the way to work - in August....

But global climate change is a myth. Not happening. Nope...

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

I got so cold last night that we almost turned the heat on; and today I hit some rain on the way to work - in August....

But global climate change is a myth. Not happening. Nope...

The record low temperature in Long Beach for this time of year happened in 1962.

Saying that one cool day in August is evidence of global climate change is like saying that getting two heads in a row while flipping a coin is evidence that there's a grand conspiracy by the US mint to make coins that favor landing on heads. By your logic, had this been a perfectly average summer, every single day, that would be enough to disprove global climate change.

It isn't.

[innerSpaceman]

It's anecdotal for sure, but - at least here in West L.A., having a week of June Gloom in August is not the normal pattern that existed for the first 25 years I lived here. Oh, and that June Gloom that was around in June for those 25 years? Gone.

The local climate IS changing - I'm not saying that's due to Global Climate Change - but since all sorts of local climate changes are predicted by the world's best climate scientists, why should I presume the obvious local changes are not part of that?

[Alex]

It was 3 degrees colder last year on the same date, according to Weather Underground.

It was only 3 degrees under the low for the date over the last 69 years (as far back as their almanac goes).

It's hard to see what trend in climate change last night's temperature would support (Long Beach low temperatures for August 10 since 1943):

[Ghoulish Delight]

Alex, where do you get your historical weather data? I can never find a good source.

[Alex]

At Weather Underground look up the location you want. Here's Long Beach:

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=long+beach%2C+ca

Scroll about halfway down and you'll fine a History & Almanac section (right under the radar image). Pick a date and play from there. Unfortunatley doesn't really have tools for comparing over time (I took ten minutes and hit the individual searches for each August 10 since '43). The history page also lists the sunrise, sunset, and moon phase for the date as well.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Okay. I've used Weather Underground before, but like you said it lacks a lot of filtering/searching/sorting options that would make things easier.

[Ghoulish Delight]

(I'm at a standstill at work today until someone else fixes an issue)

Putting aside the larger point that 25 years worth of local weather data is not a basis for conclusions about climate change, let's look at your 25 year claim. Culver city, the last 25 years, August 10 highs and lows.

culver city.jpg

If there's ANY trend to be gleaned from that, it's that any cooling you may perceive seems to be a correction back towards the mean after a slight rise.

Of course, none of this proves there ISN'T climate change happening. But it certainly doesn't prove there IS.

Trying to shove local weather data in the face of climate change deniers is pointless, because they can just as easily shove opposing local weather date right back at you because local weather data is NOT the data that indicates anything either way when talking climate change.