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innerSpaceman · 08-10-2011, 11:56 AM

Well, I'm not really talking about lower temperatures. Even during the sunny days here, the temperatures have SEEMED TO ME lower in July and August than they did during high summer of the 20th Century years. While gloomy skies do equal lower temperatures, it's the gloom that's more noticeably odd for August, not merely the lower temperatures that have characterized this entire summer here.

All anecdotal. I don't really care if this or that particular symptom is a one of man-made global warming, natural climate changes, or faulty human perception. I believe that climate change is happening because science says it is. And I put any local changes into the "maybe" category.

Whichever, I don't like anything that makes other places more crappy to live and Southern California more wonderful. Lower summer temperatures here and drought/heat waves everywhere else does just that, and we don't need 70 million more people moving here in the next 10 years over the 475 million already projected.*

* completely made-up, hyperbolic numbers.

JWBear · 08-10-2011, 12:26 PM

It's amazing... Someone could post something like "the Earth is larger than the Moon", and certain persons here would rush right in to tell them they are wrong - with charts and links and fancy doodles. You can stop waiving your dicks around guys; I'm not competeing with you for the title of "Smartest, Hippest, Most manly Man of LoT".

And people wonder why participation on this board is dropping...

Moonliner · 08-10-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

It's amazing... Someone could post something like "the Earth is larger than the Moon", and certain persons here would rush right in to tell them they are wrong - with charts and links and fancy doodles. You can stop waiving your dicks around guys; I'm not competeing with you for the title of "Smartest, Hippest, Most manly Man of LoT".

And people wonder why participation on this board is dropping...

I take issue with your central thesis. Pretty much since day one, people have jumped in with charts links and fancy doodles in response to just about everything. It's part of it's charm.

What fun is it to just comment with the obvious "You can't judge global climate change based on observation of local weather".

Now if you will excuse me, I have to spend the next few hours generating a graph of LoT participation over time.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

It's amazing... Someone could post something like "the Earth is larger than the Moon",

If someone posted, "The moon looked bigger in the sky today, therefore it's going to crash into the earth any day now," I'd say something about it.

€uroMeinke · 08-10-2011, 12:35 PM

I attribute that to Facebook and other competing social networks that make message boards obsolete. Like all things LoT too will come to an end some day, but think the internet's supply of dicks and whiners to be endless.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2011, 12:42 PM

Better yet, what would your response be if someone posted, 'Wow, it was 3 degrees colder than average yesterday. In AUGUST! But global warming is real. Totally happening. Yep..."?

Alex · 08-10-2011, 02:14 PM

Yeah, if you'd said that, it would be amazing that we did that. You didn't.

You said, I was at Disneyland today and the crowds seemed small, this is evidence that people aren't going to amusement parks any more.

Yes, we'd probably tell you you were wrong about that too, especially if a look at the number indicated that it wasn't in face an unusually light crowd at Disneyland that day.

But I'm sorry that when you post to a message board people actually converse instead of just giving you thumbs up and a "nice one!"

I have no doubt that the earth is warming and climate is changing but the fact that it was cold last night (though not unusually so) has nothing to do with it.

[ETA: This post written having missed that the last four posts existed.]

Not Afraid · 08-10-2011, 02:50 PM

What if I said I was also in Long Beach last night and I was so hot I slept outside of the covers and didn't wear socks? Where's the graph about my sock-wearing habits?

Alex · 08-10-2011, 03:02 PM

Got the data? I can graph my no covers/no socks sleeping easy enough.

Is it warmer than 55? Then I'm sleeping above the bedding (and in an unnecessary image: I don't wear clothes to sleep at any temp).

RStar · 08-10-2011, 03:42 PM

Ok, I have THAT image burned in my brain now! Thanks!!

Global warming doesn't mean that every place in the world will be hotter. It means that the the few degrees warmer of the whole earth's atmosphere will change our weather patterns. Some places will be drier, some wetter, some warmer, some colder, and sea levels will rise and their flow patters may change (as in the movie Day After Tommorrow, but not as dramatic and sudden). Not that this is particularly important in this part of the conversation, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

08-10-2011, 11:56 AM	#1
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, I'm not really talking about lower temperatures. Even during the sunny days here, the temperatures have SEEMED TO ME lower in July and August than they did during high summer of the 20th Century years. While gloomy skies do equal lower temperatures, it's the gloom that's more noticeably odd for August, not merely the lower temperatures that have characterized this entire summer here. All anecdotal. I don't really care if this or that particular symptom is a one of man-made global warming, natural climate changes, or faulty human perception. I believe that climate change is happening because science says it is. And I put any local changes into the "maybe" category. Whichever, I don't like anything that makes other places more crappy to live and Southern California more wonderful. Lower summer temperatures here and drought/heat waves everywhere else does just that, and we don't need 70 million more people moving here in the next 10 years over the 475 million already projected.* * completely made-up, hyperbolic numbers.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	It's amazing... Someone could post something like "the Earth is larger than the Moon", and certain persons here would rush right in to tell them they are wrong - with charts and links and fancy doodles. You can stop waiving your dicks around guys; I'm not competeing with you for the title of "Smartest, Hippest, Most manly Man of LoT". And people wonder why participation on this board is dropping... __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I attribute that to Facebook and other competing social networks that make message boards obsolete. Like all things LoT too will come to an end some day, but think the internet's supply of dicks and whiners to be endless. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Better yet, what would your response be if someone posted, 'Wow, it was 3 degrees colder than average yesterday. In AUGUST! But global warming is real. Totally happening. Yep..."? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yeah, if you'd said that, it would be amazing that we did that. You didn't. You said, I was at Disneyland today and the crowds seemed small, this is evidence that people aren't going to amusement parks any more. Yes, we'd probably tell you you were wrong about that too, especially if a look at the number indicated that it wasn't in face an unusually light crowd at Disneyland that day. But I'm sorry that when you post to a message board people actually converse instead of just giving you thumbs up and a "nice one!" I have no doubt that the earth is warming and climate is changing but the fact that it was cold last night (though not unusually so) has nothing to do with it. [ETA: This post written having missed that the last four posts existed.] Last edited by Alex : 08-10-2011 at 02:21 PM.
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08-10-2011, 02:50 PM	#8
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	What if I said I was also in Long Beach last night and I was so hot I slept outside of the covers and didn't wear socks? Where's the graph about my sock-wearing habits?
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08-10-2011, 03:02 PM	#9
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Got the data? I can graph my no covers/no socks sleeping easy enough. Is it warmer than 55? Then I'm sleeping above the bedding (and in an unnecessary image: I don't wear clothes to sleep at any temp).
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08-10-2011, 03:42 PM	#10
RStar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Me & Manyard hangin out! Posts: 5,433	Ok, I have THAT image burned in my brain now! Thanks!! Global warming doesn't mean that every place in the world will be hotter. It means that the the few degrees warmer of the whole earth's atmosphere will change our weather patterns. Some places will be drier, some wetter, some warmer, some colder, and sea levels will rise and their flow patters may change (as in the movie Day After Tommorrow, but not as dramatic and sudden). Not that this is particularly important in this part of the conversation, but I thought I'd throw it out there. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup! www.StarTownGifts.com
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