"Liberal Queer"

[Scrooge McSam]

How do you react when someone else tells you how to live your life?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

I do appreciate your attempt to understand, but I disagree. Being gay is a part of who I am, not my defining characteristic.

Which is why I said what I said above.

I KNOW there is such a thing as seperating the sin and the sinner. I do it to love my dad.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I KNOW there is such a thing as seperating the sin and the sinner. I do it to love my dad.

And how lucky is he? Very.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

How do you react when someone else tells you how to live your life?

I guess that depends on the person and their motivation. I don't assume that they are all doing it for the same reasons-

[Scrooge McSam]

OK Some pious soul chooses to belittle you because you've had a divorce. They don't know your situation or your motivations. That have just their idea, narrowly defined according to the bible or their own beliefs, on when divorce is suitable and when it is not. They then proceed to define for you through legislation when it would be OK with them for you to get a divorce.

How likely are you to rebel against their narrow mindedness?

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

OK Some pious soul chooses to belittle you because you've had a divorce. They don't know your situation or your motivations. That have just their idea, narrowly defined according to the bible or their own beliefs, on when divorce is suitable and when it is not. They then proceed to define for you through legislation when it would be OK with them for you to get a divorce.

How likely are you to rebel against their narrow mindedness?

Legislation keeps getting dragged into this when it had nothing to do with it- the discussion is about a father who has always disapproved of homosexuality, and has not changed his stance despite his daughter being gay. It was a debate about the quality of his love and the stance of his disapproval.

I am going to leave legislation out of this- this has nothing to do with government or laws-

I DID have someone tell me how to live my life after my divorce in regards to their view of the Biblical stance on divorce- they were wrong. I chose to not fight them, nor to follow their advice. Not everything comes with some malicious intent- sometimes you just have to stand by and say "thanks but no thanks"

I could not assume they hated me, and their disapproval did not matter to me because they knew nothing about it- nor did I think they were applying Biblical knowlegde to it appropriately.

My best friend married a horrible abusive cheating man- I told her many times how much I hated it- but I loved her. In a way I told her how to live her life, but it was out of concern and love for her-

I am also trying really really hard to not get ticked off about the comment- "it must not have been easy growing up in that enviornment " because I find that comment to be remarkably intolerant of those who choose to raise their children in a conservative Christian home. I am raising my kids that way- I find them to be very tolerant and accepting kids, who don't see color or sexuality when they look at people. They see the people- not the extra stuff that causes all this stress. So tell me, is the enviornment my children are growing in horrible???? Because it sure seems that is the assumption here-

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I'm sorry- but you also can't make the judgement that "hating" the "sin" (as defined by Biblical terms as I am sure Keyes uses) means hating the person.

Leo had a great point- most people here can seperate between his conservative politics, which many of you consider potentially damaging, and Leo himself, whom I know you like and respect- is it so hard for you to see that we on the conservative side see it the same way?

I am as tired of the unfair generalization of conservatives or Christians as being hate mongers, as I am sure you are of being labeled unnatural or perverse.

Just wanted to say that in hindsite, I regret that the definition I posted only gave the choice of fear or hate. As Sam pointed out, the definition of "phobia" itself includes aversion and dislike. In my experience, there are far more people that possess feelings of aversion and dislike towards homosexuality than actual hatred, which is an awfully strong word.

And for the record, I would never make the generalization that all Christians are hate-mongers. I'm surrounded by examples that prove otherwise.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

And for the record, I would never make the generalization that all Christians are hate-mongers. I'm surrounded by examples that prove otherwise.

I'd like to go on the record and say the same.

[Nephythys]

again- glad to hear it

(I did not think MBC would stalk me if I was a hate monger LOL)

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I am going to leave legislation out of this- this has nothing to do with government or laws-

I can appreciate how you would feel this way. Your way of life is not under attack. Mine is. Can you give me the same understanding?

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I DID have someone tell me how to live my life after my divorce in regards to their view of the Biblical stance on divorce- they were wrong.

Kinda like I feel about those pushing for a gay marriage amendment.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I chose to not fight them, nor to follow their advice.

That worked for you. That course of action does not work for me. If I (and others) just accept Keyes and his ilk and don't rail against what they're trying to do, we'll have a gay marriage amendment before long.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Not everything comes with some malicious intent- sometimes you just have to stand by and say "thanks but no thanks"

That only works if they have no power over you.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I could not assume they hated me, and their disapproval did not matter to me because they knew nothing about it- nor did I think they were applying Biblical knowlegde to it appropriately.

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