All About McCain

[innerSpaceman]

Um, that wasn't an actual suggestion. That was snark.

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and scaeagles, just to be clear, you wrote "rights", not "laws." There's a big, fat difference, and I've gone on quite a bit about what that difference is.

We all type imperfectly at times. But if your point was there are laws on the books about what we can do with our own bodies, I'm afraid I don't see the point of your point.

[scaeagles]

Can you be arrested for violating a right? I'm not talking rhetorically about yelling fire or some such thing. If I have the right to do to my body whatever I choose, than how can I have violated a law? If exercising a right means violating a law, then surely those laws are unconstitutional....and yet have never been so deemed (referring to prostitution, drug usage, whatever).

Seems contradictory, but I am indeed no legal scholar.

[innerSpaceman]

Of course you can be arrested for violating a right. That's among the reasons for the American Revolution in the first place. Many things we consider rights were arrestible offenses under the British.

So does the U.S.A. have it completely correct and the quest for freedom to enjoy human rights without fear or punishment is over? I think not.


We don't even have the extent of rights promised to us by the American Revolution. Much less the next step beyond ... which, some 232 years later, I'd say is quite overdue.

[scaeagles]

I agree, we don't have it right yet. What is then, the cause or delay in ruling on the constitutional issues of the violating laws?

I suppose I must look at it the same way you do.....I disagree with much of what the courts rule on as well.

[BarTopDancer]

Palin uses Yahoo email to conduct official business. And her Yahoo account was hacked.

For the record -

I think she was profoundly stupid to use a fairly unsecured email client such as Yahoo (or gmail or anything other than an official government email) to conduct government business on. I also think it was completely fvcked up to hack into her email account.

[Alex]

This was reported before. Palin and her top people used private email accounts on advise of counsel (or somone advisor anyway) on the theory it wouldn't be under the same requirements (sunshine laws, retention, subpoenability) as emails through the official government channels. Of course, this is security hole is a much bigger issue once this is known to the general world.

I'm curious, though, why they revealed her husbands email address in the article. There is no reason he wouldn't be using a private email address since he has no official government business to do.

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by Alex

This was reported before. Palin and her top people used private email accounts on advise of counsel (or somone advisor anyway) on the theory it wouldn't be under the same requirements (sunshine laws, retention, subpoenability) as emails through the official government channels. Of course, this is security hole is a much bigger issue once this is known to the general world.

I'm curious, though, why they revealed her husbands email address in the article. There is no reason he wouldn't be using a private email address since he has no official government business to do.

The news is that her private email account was hacked, not that she has private email or that she uses it to conduct business so that the email cannot be subpoenaed.

I don't know about her husband, other than that apparently he attended a lot of her work meetings and people have mentioned that the Alaskan residents apparently voted for a co-governorship.

[3894]

Re: Palin and the Yahoo e-mail

To me, use of e-mail with ads for travel agents at the bottom of the page shows a lack of professionalism. Same thing with:
- routinely cc'ing her hubbo
- bringing the baby to work
- hiring her high school friends
-calling her audience "guys and gals"

As for McCain, Elizabeth Drew, author of Citizen McCain has an opinion piece in today's Politico. Quick Quote:

McCain’s recent conduct of his campaign – his willingness to lie repeatedly (including in his acceptance speech) and to play Russian roulette with the vice-presidency, in order to fulfill his long-held ambition – has reinforced my earlier, and growing, sense that John McCain is not a principled man.
In fact, it’s not clear who he is.

[Tenigma]

OK I misunderstood a tidbit about Palin's email hack yesterday because I assumed the hack was performed "anonymously."

This is actually not accurate. The hack was performed by "Anonymous," the amorphous group that has also waged a harassment campaign against the Church of Scientology.

That to me says a lot. This is activist-motivated. Instead of just some haxxor in Russia tinkering around and gleefully reading Sarah Palin's private email, this was done as an act of defiance to make a point--I *suspect* it was to say that government officials should not hide their backroom dealings under the veil of personal email.

Can we say....

????

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Tenigma

OK I misunderstood a tidbit about Palin's email hack yesterday because I assumed the hack was performed "anonymously."

This is actually not accurate. The hack was performed by "Anonymous," the amorphous group that has also waged a harassment campaign against the Church of Scientology.

That to me says a lot. This is activist-motivated. Instead of just some haxxor in Russia tinkering around and gleefully reading Sarah Palin's private email, this was done as an act of defiance to make a point--I *suspect* it was to say that government officials should not hide their backroom dealings under the veil of personal email.

Can we say....

????

The trouble with amorphous groups like Anonymous or Al Qaeda is that just about anyone can do just about anything and say "Yup. We are members of <** insert group name here **>" and there is really no way, even for other members of the group, to categorical say yes or no to their involvment. .

From what little I have seen this could just as easily be some Thetan looking to give Anon a black eye.