All About McCain

[alphabassettgrrl]

I do, too. It's the issues that will shape our country and our world for the next four years. Not the cult of personality. Whoever we elect will make decisions that affect all of us. Let's make sure we *think* about who we elect.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

I'm ok with Obama voting with the Democratic party- he's not the one claiming maverick stance.

He is claiming "change".......yet has no record of offering any such thing. McCain does have a record of being a maverick.


I am so jealous of the Democrats this year: No matter which candidate wins you will get someone who is more liberal than the last 4 Presidents........throw those of us on the right a bone and at least let us have the lesser liberal of the two

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

He is claiming "change".......yet has no record of offering any such thing. McCain does have a record of being a maverick.

I think by his mere presence Obama will be an agent of a lot change.

You're right, McCain *does* have a record of being a maverick against the Republican Party. But he had to buck up and change his tune to try to get the party to get behind him. He sold out a long time ago.

[Alex]

Also, as I've said before, the "change" I'm looking for is not one of "I'll screw my party by siding with the other side a lot" but rather, "I'll change the way things are done so that it is one again possible to disagree without hatred."

I fully expect Obama to pursue political policies that I disagree with at least half of the time (and likely much more often). All I ask is that I be able to do so without having to hate them or be hated.

I have no idea if Obama will succeed in accomplishing this. I just have no reason to believe that McCain would try, especially when running country from a position of power weakness.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

He is claiming "change".......yet has no record of offering any such thing. McCain does have a record of being a maverick.

No, he has a reputation for being a maverick, which is not quite the same thing. Go check his record for maverickdom and let us know, huh. Oh, and while you're at it, let us know the last two times he mavericked. Because if he's voted with Bush 90% over the past 8 years, I'm betting John's maverick days extend to beyond his memory days.



Something Alex posted a while back has me snarking in that general direction. Why would anyone want anybody who'd be 76 years old at the end of their term to be in charge of the United States government? Hmmm, maybe the same morons who want a complete and utter nobody to be next in line to a 76-year old geezer as the person in charge of the United States government. Sheesh.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Originally Posted by Alex

Also, as I've said before, the "change" I'm looking for is not one of "I'll screw my party by siding with the other side a lot" but rather, "I'll change the way things are done so that it is one again possible to disagree without hatred."

I fully expect Obama to pursue political policies that I disagree with at least half of the time (and likely much more often). All I ask is that I be able to do so without having to hate them or be hated.

I have no idea if Obama will succeed in accomplishing this. I just have no reason to believe that McCain would try, especially when running country from a position of power weakness.

I'm with you on all three (four?) points. I'm an Obama supporter, and I expect I'll disagree with him on a lot of things. Just less than I disagree with McCain about.

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by Alex

I fully expect Obama to pursue political policies that I disagree with at least half of the time (and likely much more often). All I ask is that I be able to do so without having to hate them or be hated.

^^^^ THIS. I *know* I'm not going to agree with a lot of the things Obama wants. That's OK for me, because I also know that he is going to encourage a lot of discussion from all sides. One of my biggest disappointments with Bush has been (besides appointing political favorites for important positions) is the whole secrecy thing, and hiding behind homeland security. If you don't agree, you're somehow siding with the terrorists. I mean, what about FOIA? Habeas Corpus? [In plain English, if you tell me I can't board the plane because my name is on the government watch list, I want to be able to say "Hey wait, that's not me, that's somebody else!" instead of being interrogated and body cavity searched, and treated like a criminal."

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Hmmm, maybe the same morons who want a complete and utter nobody to be next in line to a 76-year old geezer as the person in charge of the United States government. Sheesh.

WOT?!?!?! Sacrilege! She has EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE and was both a mayor AND a governor!!!! She made commanding decisions and she has national military experience with the National Guard!!!!!!!!! Plus, she is a mom to five children and we all know that moms are the toughest jobs in teh world so we all know she will make a perfect prezidenttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!! In fact she is overqualified for the presidency!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111 1

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Tenigma

^^^^ THIS. I *know* I'm not going to agree with a lot of the things Obama wants. That's OK for me, because I also know that he is going to encourage a lot of discussion from all sides.

This is a sincere question and not meant to be rhetorical.

How do you know this?

[BarTopDancer]

You have to pick the candidate who you agree with the most.

Since I enjoy having the ability to choose what I do with my body, and look forward to attending weddings of my gay friends, I choose to vote for Obama. Those are the two main issues I choose a candidate on. It may be shallow but those are my biggies.

I also am finding it harder and harder to respect people who think it's ok to take away those rights because their religion or personal moral compass says it's not ok. If you think abortion is wrong, don't have one. If you think same-sex marriage is wrong, don't marry someone of the same sex. McCain's administration is going to try and take away those rights, and frankly, to me, if you're voting for his ticket you're voting to take away rights of your fellow people and I just can't bring myself to respect people who want to oppress others.