The Gay Thread - Page 85

alphabassettgrrl · 11-05-2010, 04:09 PM

I can totally accept that there are commonalities to growing up gay. I don't think it's a monolithic experience, that teaches everybody the same things, but there are similar bits. And I don't know that a person can understand the emotional experience of being someone else. Maybe it's just me but I can only do it in an intellectual way.

innerSpaceman · 11-05-2010, 04:15 PM

I used to get bullied for being abnormally tall. It was so freaking crazy. I was so Not Tall, but thug kids kept thinking I was - maybe because I was such a big character. Whatever, I used to get my ass handed to me constantly for having my head in the clouds.

Sigh - I don't think anyone can ever understand the heartache of being thought tall when I was so diligently short. It was a nightmare. Only those of us who went through it can possibly understand.

ok, just havin' a little fun. That's not a parody aimed with malice at anyone particular

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 11-05-2010, 04:39 PM

Try growing up Jehovah's Witness - Hellish.

But think of the positives - Gay = fashion, Jewish = Chosen, Jehovah's Witness = Ringing doorbells well.

Cadaverous Pallor · 11-05-2010, 08:53 PM

Abundant Visible Alex Mojo. I love when you fight for proper word usage.

Alex · 11-05-2010, 09:36 PM

Yes (not speaking for GD here, he may not agree), but the key difference is that we knew for sure they were engaging, gleefully apparently, in the behavior they publicly condemned.

Not quite the same as pre-emptively deciding that another person must also be doing that, based on no other evidence than stereotypes, and then using it as an additional cudgel against them.

Chernabog · 11-06-2010, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Not quite the same as pre-emptively deciding that another person must also be doing that, based on no other evidence than stereotypes, and then using it as an additional cudgel against them.

Now we're going 'round in circles. We're talking about a man who has a serious obsession with another man. There are plenty of examples of people who rally against gay people -- loudly -- when they are gay themselves due to self loathing or religious BS (whether or not they are acting on their sexual desires).

Every gay person has had to deal with being closeted and/or being in denial about their sexuality. It is not difficult in many situations to pick up on those behaviors in other people.

And I still don't think that ALL stereotypes are bad. I have lots (and lots) of things about me that are stereotypically gay. So what?

Would I think that Shirvell is gay from his mannerisms if I ran into him on the street? I don't know. But knowing that he has a blog dedicated to the daily activities of a cute gay college student, plus the way he carries himself... you can't help but think, gee, this guy is in serious denial.

Could he just be a totally batsh!t crazy straight dude? Sure. But I think that's the less likely explanation. Nobody has to catch him downloading Sean Cody videos to think that the scale tips in the other direction.

innerSpaceman · 11-06-2010, 10:03 AM

And I think that's what it comes down to. Some people (cough*straights*cough) think it's hypocritical stereotyping, and other people (um, all the gays in the world) are pretty sure he's a closet case in the same way we can assume who's male and who's female on the street - - though of all people, we should know that some of those are not what gender they seem.

The assumption is still valid, and Shrivell is not worthy of a more thorough examination. He's gay as the day is long, we can tell. And to the extent we might be wrong, so fvcking what? It's not like I call him on his home number to fag taunt him. He will never have an inkling of my thoughts and feelings and ironic/hypocritical/clipper ship assumptions.

Cadaverous Pallor · 11-06-2010, 01:08 PM

I still don't understand why anyone cares whether he's gay or not.

innerSpaceman · 11-08-2010, 01:57 PM

All I really care about is that he's now jobless, and that he eventually gets disbarred.

Shirvell has been fired.

It was a little Harry Potteresque that his hearing was moved from "later" to "now" without much notice, but I applaud the decision to get rid of him.

Gemini Cricket · 11-08-2010, 02:10 PM

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All I really care about is that he's now jobless, and that he eventually gets disbarred.

Shirvell has been fired.

Excellent.

11-05-2010, 04:09 PM	#1
alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	I can totally accept that there are commonalities to growing up gay. I don't think it's a monolithic experience, that teaches everybody the same things, but there are similar bits. And I don't know that a person can understand the emotional experience of being someone else. Maybe it's just me but I can only do it in an intellectual way. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I used to get bullied for being abnormally tall. It was so freaking crazy. I was so Not Tall, but thug kids kept thinking I was - maybe because I was such a big character. Whatever, I used to get my ass handed to me constantly for having my head in the clouds. Sigh - I don't think anyone can ever understand the heartache of being thought tall when I was so diligently short. It was a nightmare. Only those of us who went through it can possibly understand. ok, just havin' a little fun. That's not a parody aimed with malice at anyone particular
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Bornieo: Fully Loaded Lego Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Disneyland, USA Posts: 3,704	Try growing up Jehovah's Witness - Hellish. But think of the positives - Gay = fashion, Jewish = Chosen, Jehovah's Witness = Ringing doorbells well.
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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	Abundant Visible Alex Mojo. I love when you fight for proper word usage. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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11-05-2010, 09:36 PM	#5
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yes (not speaking for GD here, he may not agree), but the key difference is that we knew for sure they were engaging, gleefully apparently, in the behavior they publicly condemned. Not quite the same as pre-emptively deciding that another person must also be doing that, based on no other evidence than stereotypes, and then using it as an additional cudgel against them.
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11-06-2010, 10:03 AM	#7
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And I think that's what it comes down to. Some people (coughstraightscough) think it's hypocritical stereotyping, and other people (um, all the gays in the world) are pretty sure he's a closet case in the same way we can assume who's male and who's female on the street - - though of all people, we should know that some of those are not what gender they seem. The assumption is still valid, and Shrivell is not worthy of a more thorough examination. He's gay as the day is long, we can tell. And to the extent we might be wrong, so fvcking what? It's not like I call him on his home number to fag taunt him. He will never have an inkling of my thoughts and feelings and ironic/hypocritical/clipper ship assumptions.
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11-06-2010, 01:08 PM	#8
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I still don't understand why anyone cares whether he's gay or not. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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11-08-2010, 01:57 PM	#9
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	All I really care about is that he's now jobless, and that he eventually gets disbarred. Shirvell has been fired. It was a little Harry Potteresque that his hearing was moved from "later" to "now" without much notice, but I applaud the decision to get rid of him.
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