Lost! - Page 87

Ghoulish Delight · 03-24-2010, 03:21 PM

Ah, right.

innerSpaceman · 03-24-2010, 03:24 PM

Oh. Thanks.

(Good, because Lost is already quite gayly Dickensian and StarWarsian enough in that regard.)

bewitched · 03-24-2010, 03:47 PM

I have a glimmer of an idea forming about the sideways timeline....

Maybe the sideways timeline is life reset for all of the candidates who choose to eventually leave the island. Knowledge of the island (at least the knowledge of what the island really is) is reserved for those who choose to stay and serve the island. They don't remember the island, even though they were there because that knowledge has been erased from their consciousness (but it flits about as kind of a memory of a dream). But their lives are reset based on what they "chose" on the island and how it is reset is based on whether or not they found ultimate redemption; whether or not they were able to be "good" (which doesn't bode well for Kate, I suppose...i.e. "be good, Kate"). Jacob said everyone he brought there previously was dead...but he didn't say he killed them or, for that matter, that they necessarily died on the island. Maybe once you are vetted as a candidate, you can choose to stay and serve (and presumably not die) or to leave and live your life, with death being the only (inevitable) outcome to that life. This would also explain why the dead island people are alive in the sideways timeline. Maybe "death" on the island is really just a shift to the life you would have had if you wouldn't have been detoured in Jacob's efforts to get candidates to the island.

Does that make any sense?

Ghoulish Delight · 03-24-2010, 03:55 PM

BTW, I'm still holding onto the possibility that it's not REALLY hell/limb, not REALLY supernatural, that Jacob and MIB just use the terms because that's what they want the people who arrive there to think. They may still end up at a "scientific" explanation for it all (which, of course, may also leave us with the notion that there is no distinction between science and mythos).

LSPoorEeyorick · 03-24-2010, 06:14 PM

Yeah, I hardly think they would be revealing the true, true nature of the island with 8 episodes to go. That's the primary mystery of the show. When we heard that, we likened it to watching a procedural show and having the mystery "solved" with 20 minutes left. That mystery ain't solved yet, Dr. House - the patient will start coughing blood in 5... 4... 3...

And for that matter, I'm not convinced this has all been leading up to good v. evil. (But maybe that's wishful thinking, because I don't want it to be!) There have been many, many instances of confusion regarding who is on the right side, who is doing the right thing. "Jacob is the devil. No, wait, it's MIB." We haven't seen clear evidence that either is necessarily good. What we've seen of the pair is the same thing that we've seen of the rest of the Losties. People generally believe that they're using the right means to get to the right end. Unlike the Lost visual metaphors, there is very little black v. white for these characters. Only gray, gray, gray.

JWBear · 03-24-2010, 07:29 PM

I still think it's the Vorlons and the Shadows.

SzczerbiakManiac · 03-25-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

I still think it's the Vorlons and the Shadows.

I think the Vorlons vs. Shadows (kudos for the B5 reference!) was about law vs. chaos, not good vs. evil. Thought I would love it if Jacob & MiB turn out to be as complex as those races.

JWBear · 03-25-2010, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

I think the Vorlons vs. Shadows (kudos for the B5 reference!) was about law vs. chaos, not good vs. evil.

That was my point.

BarTopDancer · 03-24-2010, 09:15 PM

I think it's the Autobots vs. the Deceptcons.

Naveen Andrews is on L&O: SVU right now. /le sigh

Strangler Lewis · 03-25-2010, 01:12 PM

So the other night, while channel flipping, I stumbled onto a man in chains speaking Spanish and being manipulated by a man who looked like Richard Hatch. I gather this was that "Lost" show.

What have I missed?

P.S. If it turned out that the island is hell, I ain't buying the boxed set.

03-24-2010, 03:21 PM	#1
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03-24-2010, 03:24 PM	#2
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Oh. Thanks. (Good, because Lost is already quite gayly Dickensian and StarWarsian enough in that regard.)
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03-24-2010, 03:47 PM	#3
bewitched 101% Yummy! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I know Kung Fu. Posts: 1,413	I have a glimmer of an idea forming about the sideways timeline.... Maybe the sideways timeline is life reset for all of the candidates who choose to eventually leave the island. Knowledge of the island (at least the knowledge of what the island really is) is reserved for those who choose to stay and serve the island. They don't remember the island, even though they were there because that knowledge has been erased from their consciousness (but it flits about as kind of a memory of a dream). But their lives are reset based on what they "chose" on the island and how it is reset is based on whether or not they found ultimate redemption; whether or not they were able to be "good" (which doesn't bode well for Kate, I suppose...i.e. "be good, Kate"). Jacob said everyone he brought there previously was dead...but he didn't say he killed them or, for that matter, that they necessarily died on the island. Maybe once you are vetted as a candidate, you can choose to stay and serve (and presumably not die) or to leave and live your life, with death being the only (inevitable) outcome to that life. This would also explain why the dead island people are alive in the sideways timeline. Maybe "death" on the island is really just a shift to the life you would have had if you wouldn't have been detoured in Jacob's efforts to get candidates to the island. Does that make any sense? __________________ ~Whitney Wondering about the future of Ellington Woodard's punk@ss sh!t.
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03-24-2010, 03:55 PM	#4
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	BTW, I'm still holding onto the possibility that it's not REALLY hell/limb, not REALLY supernatural, that Jacob and MIB just use the terms because that's what they want the people who arrive there to think. They may still end up at a "scientific" explanation for it all (which, of course, may also leave us with the notion that there is no distinction between science and mythos). __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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03-24-2010, 06:14 PM	#5
LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Yeah, I hardly think they would be revealing the true, true nature of the island with 8 episodes to go. That's the primary mystery of the show. When we heard that, we likened it to watching a procedural show and having the mystery "solved" with 20 minutes left. That mystery ain't solved yet, Dr. House - the patient will start coughing blood in 5... 4... 3... And for that matter, I'm not convinced this has all been leading up to good v. evil. (But maybe that's wishful thinking, because I don't want it to be!) There have been many, many instances of confusion regarding who is on the right side, who is doing the right thing. "Jacob is the devil. No, wait, it's MIB." We haven't seen clear evidence that either is necessarily good. What we've seen of the pair is the same thing that we've seen of the rest of the Losties. People generally believe that they're using the right means to get to the right end. Unlike the Lost visual metaphors, there is very little black v. white for these characters. Only gray, gray, gray.
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03-24-2010, 07:29 PM	#6
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	I still think it's the Vorlons and the Shadows. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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03-24-2010, 09:15 PM	#9
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	I think it's the Autobots vs. the Deceptcons. Naveen Andrews is on L&O: SVU right now. /le sigh __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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03-25-2010, 01:12 PM	#10
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	So the other night, while channel flipping, I stumbled onto a man in chains speaking Spanish and being manipulated by a man who looked like Richard Hatch. I gather this was that "Lost" show. What have I missed? P.S. If it turned out that the island is hell, I ain't buying the boxed set. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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