All About McCain

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

You might be right, but part of the problem is that the two campaigns were preparing to issue a joint statement regarding a bipartisan approach to the issue, and then McCain jumped the gun. I think if Obama had pulled a similar stunt, that would be an instance where I would dub him too clever by half.

I think the joint statement still got released by Camp McCain. Except that only half of the statement was joint, because there's a huge-ass long postscript that McCain's folks tacked on at the end that was not part of the original statement.

By the way there are reports that while Obama was waiting for McCain to return the call yesterday morning, McCain was busy visiting with Mrs. Rothchilde.

As for "had Obama done what McCain" did, a) Obama was already talking in private with Chris Dodd, Paulson, and others on a regular basis so that he could be apprised of what was going on. b) Did not want to inject the presidential campaign into the actual workings going on in the committee right now, so he stayed away on purpose. c) Would not have asked to postpone his debate with McCain because apparently Obama is more comfortable multi-tasking.

...can we have the election NOW, please?

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by Tenigma

I think the joint statement still got released by Camp McCain. Except that only half of the statement was joint, because there's a huge-ass long postscript that McCain's folks tacked on at the end that was not part of the original statement.

By the way there are reports that while Obama was waiting for McCain to return the call yesterday morning, McCain was busy visiting with Mrs. Rothchilde.

As for "had Obama done what McCain" did, a) Obama was already talking in private with Chris Dodd, Paulson, and others on a regular basis so that he could be apprised of what was going on. b) Did not want to inject the presidential campaign into the actual workings going on in the committee right now, so he stayed away on purpose. c) Would not have asked to postpone his debate with McCain because apparently Obama is more comfortable multi-tasking.

...can we have the election NOW, please?

Yesterday, I thought that the joint statement was half-joint, half-Obama.

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

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...and if Obama had beat McCain to the punch would any of you have the same level of , um, "outrage"...?

No, instead we would be hearing how McCain is uncaring and Obama is rolling up his sleaves blah, blah, blah...

And I thought I was a hopeless partisan

But he didn't.

Since you're a hopeless partisan, why don't you defend your candidate and his decisions instead of questioning a response that never occurred over an action that didn't take place?

I'll bet if a progressive posed as many hypotheticals as you, all of his friends would point at him and laugh.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Sorry Sleepy, there's no way I'd support suspending the campaign....and I truly believe that Obama would never say any such thing. The poll Tom linked to bears that out - most people do not support the concept, and I'm one of them.

[innerSpaceman]

Me, too, sleepy. Obama-supporter here who would criticize him roundly for pulling the McCain.


Next...?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Me, too, sleepy. Obama-supporter here who would criticize him roundly for pulling the McCain.


Next...?

ISm, I happen to believe you because you are not a member of the cult of Obama. There is such a vast number of his supporters though, including most of the news media, that should this have been Obama and he came out and explained why, most would say "wow! what a leader! Putting country first even in the midst of a heated campaign. All the more reason why he is a true Washington outsider putting politics second and exactly why we need this man!"

Obama can do no wrong in their eyes. I may just not have read it, but has anyone even expressed concern or given a comment to you Obama is just as in the back pockets of the banks as anyone else treatise?

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

There is such a vast number of his supporters though, including most of the news media, that should this have been Obama and he came out and explained why, most would say "wow! what a leader! Putting country first even in the midst of a heated campaign. All the more reason why he is a true Washington outsider putting politics second and exactly why we need this man!"

Sceagles, not necessarily. But I do not see Obama avoiding the issues at hand. At least he has been in contact with the various Committe Chair, showing some semblance of interest in what is going on in DC. Unlike McCain who contacted them only yesterday.

Frankly, what I read in McCain's actions of yesterday was nothing more than a ploy, be it to buy time, deflect from his dropping poll numbers (whatever they really do mean, not much to me). He had a deer in the headlight look on his face, just as Dubya did in his speech last night. I know he (dubya) was concentrating deeply on the teleprompter, but I saw real fear flickering in his eyes. Course, that's just me.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Obama can do no wrong in their eyes. I may just not have read it, but has anyone even expressed concern or given a comment to you Obama is just as in the back pockets of the banks as anyone else treatise?

Sceagles, not necessarily.

I am sure that if elected, Obama will do lots that may be wrong. Let's face it, he will be inheriting a huge sh!tstorm and the largest steaming pile of doo-doo in decades. He's not perfect, he's not a saint and he's not a miracle worker. I am more than willing to give him a chance.

I can't speak on Obama being in anyone's back pocket, I simply do not know. I'm sorry, I can't forget Keating Five, that much I do know.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

ISm, I happen to believe you because you are not a member of the cult of Obama. There is such a vast number of his supporters though, including most of the news media, that should this have been Obama and he came out and explained why, most would say "wow! what a leader! Putting country first even in the midst of a heated campaign. All the more reason why he is a true Washington outsider putting politics second and exactly why we need this man!"

Perhaps… But maybe because if Obama did say it first that he’s much more likely to be genuine about it, and not transparently desperate like McCain.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Perhaps… But maybe because if Obama did say it first that he’s much more likely to be genuine about it, and not transparently desperate like McCain.

Very Obama cultish of you.

Originally Posted by fictional obama cult member

My candidate is genuine and doesn't play politics. He's Obama. No matter what he says I know he means it with his whole heart. That other guy is just so transparently desperate that he'll says and do anything....but not Obama.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Very Obama cultish of you.

Not at all. As many others have said, there is much that Obama has said and done that I don't agree with. But I get the impression from many other things he has said and done that he actually wants to do good and make America a better place for its people. (Whether you or I agree on his definition of "good" and “a better America” is entirely another matter.) Everything I see from the McCain camp leads me to believe he only wants what’s good for him and the lobbyists who he’s beholden to.