The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 9

BarTopDancer · 04-12-2006, 01:40 PM

random political thought

If we had less career politicians we'd get more accomplished.

scaeagles · 04-12-2006, 01:40 PM

It's politics. Of course people try to undermine the leadership of the other party.

As any good liar knows (not that I claim to be a good liar), what makes your lies more effective is if you mix them with partial truths. Or only tell part of the story. As an example, you tried to accuse me of withholding the name of Lugar in an attempt to tell only half the story (though clearly as I introduced the name of Lugar in the clip this was not the case).

Many things WIlson said were true. Many things Wilson said were not the complete story. Many things Wilson said were lies.

Again, I honestly feel a bit sorry for you in that you've missed these discussions on the board from long ago. To me anyway, and I would guess it is to Scrooge and many others, it isn't worth going through it all again when it is quite easy for all of us to find stories and quotes and opinion pieces that agree with the point of view in question, and the opinions here are not likely to change from it all being hashed out again.

Nephythys · 04-12-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

So... Anyone who disagrees with the president, and who dares to tell the truth, is a "liar" and is trying "to undermine a sitting President". Huh. Ok.

And of course... No Republican would try and undermine a sitting president. No. Never. Not unless he was a Democrat!

Um, no.

Joe Wilson lied. Check the link to the Senate report. This doesn't have diddly to do with "disagreeing" It has to do with lying, and in this case lying with a purpose to destroy.

Joe Wilson has not told the truth. That would be why I called him a liar.

And the most recent Democrat President undermined himself- um, by LYING. Perjury, ya know. And getting someone else to lie as well- yeah, LYING.

Ok, done now.

(edited to say again- what Leo said- cause he says it so well)

Nephythys · 04-12-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

random political thought

If we had less career politicians we'd get more accomplished.

Amen and amen- now if we could get them to pass term limits.

Yeah-right.....

scaeagles · 04-12-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

random political thought

If we had less career politicians we'd get more accomplished.

Agreed.

BarTopDancer · 04-12-2006, 01:51 PM

Random thought about politics.

Debate can be fun.

Yelling, screaming, talking down to people or attacking them will never change anyones mind. In fact it will make them more set in their beliefs.

scaeagles · 04-12-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Yelling, screaming, talking down to people or attacking them will never change anyones mind. In fact it will make them more set in their beliefs.

Screw that, you moron! I'll MAKE you see it my way!

BarTopDancer · 04-12-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Screw that, you moron! I'll MAKE you see it my way!

How dare you imply that I'm a terrorist because I wish you a never ending ride on IASW!

scaeagles · 04-12-2006, 01:55 PM

Random political thought:

John McCain is a moron. At a recent speech, speaking of the need for illegal labor (and his bill for turning them all into guest workers), he said that no American would take $50/hour to pick lettuce in Yuma for the season. He even offered to pay it.

Should he come through on his offer, he'll spend his wife's fortune pretty quickly. I know a whole lot of Americans who would take $50 to pick lettuce for a month (or however long the season is).

Alex · 04-12-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

random political thought

If we had less career politicians we'd get more accomplished.

Out of curiosity, how many fewer? Would having just one do? You cut back on politicians and they get replaced by bureaucrats.

Term limits are also a bad idea because they shift power from the person to the party.

In other words, my view is that we don't need to reduce or limit politicians but simply reduce or limit what government is allowed to do. I don't really care if there are 536 politicians making decisions about defense but I do care if there is one politician making decisions about what I can put in my body.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	It's politics. Of course people try to undermine the leadership of the other party. As any good liar knows (not that I claim to be a good liar), what makes your lies more effective is if you mix them with partial truths. Or only tell part of the story. As an example, you tried to accuse me of withholding the name of Lugar in an attempt to tell only half the story (though clearly as I introduced the name of Lugar in the clip this was not the case). Many things WIlson said were true. Many things Wilson said were not the complete story. Many things Wilson said were lies. Again, I honestly feel a bit sorry for you in that you've missed these discussions on the board from long ago. To me anyway, and I would guess it is to Scrooge and many others, it isn't worth going through it all again when it is quite easy for all of us to find stories and quotes and opinion pieces that agree with the point of view in question, and the opinions here are not likely to change from it all being hashed out again.
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Random thought about politics. Debate can be fun. Yelling, screaming, talking down to people or attacking them will never change anyones mind. In fact it will make them more set in their beliefs. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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04-12-2006, 01:55 PM	#89
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Random political thought: John McCain is a moron. At a recent speech, speaking of the need for illegal labor (and his bill for turning them all into guest workers), he said that no American would take $50/hour to pick lettuce in Yuma for the season. He even offered to pay it. Should he come through on his offer, he'll spend his wife's fortune pretty quickly. I know a whole lot of Americans who would take $50 to pick lettuce for a month (or however long the season is).
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