Al Gore:How Green Is He? - Page 9

Nephythys · 08-17-2006, 01:45 PM

HA- I love it!

When on one hand you can claim to not being able to judge Gore based on the article- you see perfectly fit to suspect that the author has done nothing for the enviornment.

Not Afraid · 08-17-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

HA- I love it!

When on one hand you can claim to not being able to judge Gore based on the article- you see perfectly fit to suspect that the author has done nothing for the enviornment.

Who knows if he's done anything for the environment, he chooses to spend his time criticizing people who actually ARE doing something.

SacTown Chronic · 08-17-2006, 03:15 PM

I would assume that anyone who would write that article is not exactly a raging environmentalist (though I'd bet my bottom dollar that there are hairy tree-huggers out there who are just as pissed as Leo about Gore's jet fuel usage). It's my suspicion that the real target of the author's ire is not what he perceives to be hypocrisy on Gore's part, but rather, the president-elect's global warming message itself.

Alex · 08-17-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

HA- I love it!

When on one hand you can claim to not being able to judge Gore based on the article- you see perfectly fit to suspect that the author has done nothing for the enviornment.

And on the other hand you are perfectly willing to judge Gore based on just this article but assume that the author may have done something for the environment for no particular reason.

But again, you've taken what a person said (wouldn't it be more fruitful for Schweizer to join the effort to solve the climate crisis?), expanded it into something they didn't say (Schweizer has done nothing for the environment) and then got all superior for the thing you claim they said but actually didn't.

He encourages Schweizer to help him with the climate crisis that is global warming. Maybe Schweizer is the biggest aluminum recycler in his neighborhood (doing something for the environment) but since he is on record that anthrogenic global warming (the climate crisis Gore encourages him to help with) has little evidentiary support I would guess it is likely that he is not intentionally doing anything to help with that particular effort.

Nephythys · 08-17-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

And on the other hand you are perfectly willing to judge Gore based on just this article but assume that the author may have done something for the environment for no particular reason.

But again, you've taken what a person said (wouldn't it be more fruitful for Schweizer to join the effort to solve the climate crisis?), expanded it into something they didn't say (Schweizer has done nothing for the environment) and then got all superior for the thing you claim they said but actually didn't.

He encourages Schweizer to help him with the climate crisis that is global warming. Maybe Schweizer is the biggest aluminum recycler in his neighborhood (doing something for the environment) but since he is on record that anthrogenic global warming (the climate crisis Gore encourages him to help with) has little evidentiary support I would guess it is likely that he is not intentionally doing anything to help with that particular effort.

This is not the first and only report of Gore's hypocrisy.

On the flip side you seem almost as eager to believe anything that man says as you say I am for him to be found lacking.

Pot- meet kettle

Alex · 08-17-2006, 04:50 PM

I haven't believed anything he has said. Find one example in this thread of me blindly believing any claim made by Al Gore.

Show me where I have. I have, however, listened to what he has said and not gone along with people trying to hold him to things he hasn't said.

In this thread I have acknowledged that if he isn't using available green power that it is troubling and listed several other things I would also find troubling. I also readily acknowledged that I have no idea whether his claims of being carbon neutral are true. In fact my first sentence in this thread was stating that I do not entirely buy into the central argument of An Inconvenient Truth.

You however, have the disturbing habit of showing minimal reading skills. Or perhaps, minimal reading comprehension skills, since what your recaps of what people say so often has little relationship to what they actually said. I know that sounds harsh, but since you did it just five posts ago, the nerves are still jangled a bit.

If you feel there is other evidence of Gore's hypocrisy I would be interested in seeing it. However, please make sure it is based on the actual arguments made by Al Gore, not on the distorted paraphrasing of people hoping to find hypocrisy so that they don't have to address the argument.

Now, I do have opinions on whether Gore is telling the truth about certain things he says he has done. But so far it has been unnecessary to share them because nobody in this thread that has accused him of hypocrisy has actually used Gore's arguments to show hypocrisy. They have only used the distorted summary of another person.

"Gore is a hypocrite because he says A and does B." Until the A part is actually something Gore has said we haven't even begun to discuss whether to believe him. To help us get to the point where A is actually something real, I suggest going and seeing An Inconvenient Truth and reading Earth in the Balance so that you don't have rely on the Conservative Cliff's Notes version.

innerSpaceman · 08-17-2006, 07:23 PM

OWnZorD

wendybeth · 08-17-2006, 08:27 PM

As usual, Alex has infused the conversation with considered, rational thought. I have never known Alex to defend Al Gore, so I set more store by his posts because I know he's not an apologist.

More public mojo, Alex. I'll even refrain from the *snap* emoticon out of respect. Just this once.

scaeagles · 08-17-2006, 09:54 PM

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Until scaeagles puts away the sad, green face .... how 'bout we all tread a little lightly around him?

Are you calling me cranky, you buttwad? I didn't say anyone else had that right - just me.

Motorboat Cruiser · 08-17-2006, 10:33 PM

scaeagles isn't having a happy period.

08-17-2006, 01:45 PM	#81
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	HA- I love it! When on one hand you can claim to not being able to judge Gore based on the article- you see perfectly fit to suspect that the author has done nothing for the enviornment.
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08-17-2006, 03:15 PM	#83
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	I would assume that anyone who would write that article is not exactly a raging environmentalist (though I'd bet my bottom dollar that there are hairy tree-huggers out there who are just as pissed as Leo about Gore's jet fuel usage). It's my suspicion that the real target of the author's ire is not what he perceives to be hypocrisy on Gore's part, but rather, the president-elect's global warming message itself.
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08-17-2006, 04:50 PM	#86
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I haven't believed anything he has said. Find one example in this thread of me blindly believing any claim made by Al Gore. Show me where I have. I have, however, listened to what he has said and not gone along with people trying to hold him to things he hasn't said. In this thread I have acknowledged that if he isn't using available green power that it is troubling and listed several other things I would also find troubling. I also readily acknowledged that I have no idea whether his claims of being carbon neutral are true. In fact my first sentence in this thread was stating that I do not entirely buy into the central argument of An Inconvenient Truth. You however, have the disturbing habit of showing minimal reading skills. Or perhaps, minimal reading comprehension skills, since what your recaps of what people say so often has little relationship to what they actually said. I know that sounds harsh, but since you did it just five posts ago, the nerves are still jangled a bit. If you feel there is other evidence of Gore's hypocrisy I would be interested in seeing it. However, please make sure it is based on the actual arguments made by Al Gore, not on the distorted paraphrasing of people hoping to find hypocrisy so that they don't have to address the argument. Now, I do have opinions on whether Gore is telling the truth about certain things he says he has done. But so far it has been unnecessary to share them because nobody in this thread that has accused him of hypocrisy has actually used Gore's arguments to show hypocrisy. They have only used the distorted summary of another person. "Gore is a hypocrite because he says A and does B." Until the A part is actually something Gore has said we haven't even begun to discuss whether to believe him. To help us get to the point where A is actually something real, I suggest going and seeing An Inconvenient Truth and reading Earth in the Balance so that you don't have rely on the Conservative Cliff's Notes version.
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08-17-2006, 07:23 PM	#87
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	OWnZorD
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08-17-2006, 08:27 PM	#88
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	As usual, Alex has infused the conversation with considered, rational thought. I have never known Alex to defend Al Gore, so I set more store by his posts because I know he's not an apologist. More public mojo, Alex. I'll even refrain from the snap emoticon out of respect. Just this once. __________________
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Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	scaeagles isn't having a happy period.
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