Gay Apartheid

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by JWBear

How am I demonizing by pointing out uncomfortable truths?

I use the term "right-wing" in the same manner that conservatives like to use the word "liberal"; that is, the extreme fringe of that end of the political spectrum. In my opinion, no one here on LoT is what I would refer to as right-wing. Nor do I believe that the majority of conservatives are right-wing, or hold the same insane paranoid views. But by pointing out that the lunatic fringe on the even right exists, I get pilloried. Nice.

Frankly, in my opinion you're doing the same thing as scaeagles does/did - posting stories and links that are meant to outrage/panic people from extremist websites. They're just the other extremists and since we're a liberal leaning board it's supposed to be more acceptable.

Extremists are extremists.

[innerSpaceman]

I feel really bad about scaeagles feeling turned away. I was following that thread, and really didn't see much out of the common LoT vernacular of occasional excess.

I don't follow every link, but I'm not sure how to compare liberal excesses and conservative excesses as anything but apples and oranges. For one thing, even during the reign of Bush, I didn't see much advocation of violence against him or other members of his government. I also didn't see any sky-is-falling stories about what MIGHT happen, but rather condemnation with solid and thoughtful evidence of what HAS happened. Some of that may have included predictions of further consequences based on what HAS happened, but those predictions were usually thoughtful and based on solid evidence of historical fact.


I'm sure there's some prejudice of mine creeping into that assessment, but that's how I see it.

[JWBear]

And, as to your "Lets all get along" stance... Bullshyt. I will not stand by silently and let these people spew their hatred and bile. Decent people need to stand up and say "no! Enough!".

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by JWBear

And, as to your "Lets all get along" stance... Bullshyt. I will not stand by silently and let these people spew their hatred and bile. Decent people need to stand up and say "no! Enough!".

Then you're part of the problem too.

Have fun with your extremist war against extremists.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Frankly, in my opinion you're doing the same thing as scaeagles does/did - posting stories and links that are meant to outrage/panic people from extremist websites. They're just the other extremists and since we're a liberal leaning board it's supposed to be more acceptable.

Extremists are extremists.

The articles I linked to are hardly "extremist", and any thinking person should be outraged at what is going on. Another false equivalency.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Then you're part of the problem too.

Have fun with your extremist war against extremists.

Extreme?! You have got to be kidding lady! So, calling out the right-wing lunacy is "extreme" in your book? Should we all have just shut up and sat on our hands when Prop 8 passed? According to you, speaking out and protesting were "extreme". Should civil rights never have been passed in this country? Protesting the treatment of blacks and other minorities.. was that "extreme" too? Perhaps we shouldn't have fought that "extreme" civil war. Or become independant from Britain. Talk about "extreme"!

You can sit idly by and do nothing while the lies are repeated over and over. Cover your eyes when the violence erupt. Fine, go right ahead; it's your right. But please do not attact those of us who are standing up for what's right.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Okay, we're done.

Talk issues and news, or I start closing threads.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Call out lunacy. Post about specific stupidity. Work to fight against ignorance.

I'm with you.

But when you say "all blanks are blank", you have lost me, and most other people too.

As for "this is the LoT", this is why I care, and why I'm still talking to you and others. We were both there, Steve, when we helped design the LoT. It's my baby as much as it is yours and I care about what goes on here.

Many times when I go head to head with someone who disagrees with me, I get PMs from sympathetic souls who say "just put them on ignore". I do not use ignore. The reason being, I would rather call people on their ugly sh.t than let it continue on the LoT.

Originally Posted by JWBear

I will not stand by silently and let these people spew their hatred and bile. Decent people need to stand up and say "no! Enough!".

This is exactly what I'm saying. When you (yes you, friends of mine) post hatred and bile, I will stand up and say no, enough.

I'm sorry guys, but you can call me "PC" all you want, but when I see crap like this, I'm going to mention it. I have gotten enough mojo for my posts to know that I'm not alone in this, either, even if others aren't able to join the fray publicly. This is what advocacy is all about.

And again - I know I am guilty of this as well, and I hope that someone else would have the courage to call me out for it.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Okay, we're done.

Talk issues and news, or I start closing threads.

Sorry, didn't see this before I posted. You won't hear more from me on this here, Mr. Admin.

[JWBear]

Well, obviously I'm not going to be allowed to defend myself, or speak out against what I see as wrong. So, goodbye everyone.