The Gay Thread - Page 96

Betty · 02-04-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

from The Advocate

Frankly, this seems more appropriate to post in the WTF thread. How fücking paranoid can you get...?

By that logic they should also be excluding all single parent families and any family with a parent that has ever cheated.

Clearly they don't want to benefit anyone so much as punish people who they don't like.

alphabassettgrrl · 02-04-2011, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty

Clearly they don't want to benefit anyone so much as punish people who they don't like.

Surprising how often this philosophy seems to show up. Kind of sad, really.

Betty · 02-04-2011, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

from The Advocate

Frankly, this seems more appropriate to post in the WTF thread. How fücking paranoid can you get...?

By that logic they should also be excluding all single parent families and any family with a parent that has ever cheated.

Clearly they don't want to benefit anyone so much as punish people who they don't like.

Kevy Baby · 02-03-2011, 04:15 PM

Here's a question I have been meaning to ask. It has probably been covered ad naseum on the interwebs, but I am too lazy to look.

Why do the terms 'homosexual' and 'gay' predominantly refer to males since (unless I am mistaken) they are applicable to either gender? Conversely, female homosexuals are referred to as lesbians (the litany of slang terms aside), which is gender specific. Is there a non-slang term for male homosexuals - an equivalent to 'lesbian'?

I am being serious about this. And I hope I am not offending anyone by asking this question!

Cynthia · 02-03-2011, 04:22 PM

I am still on hot young men kissing . . .

innerSpaceman · 02-03-2011, 04:46 PM

Kevy, I've always wondered that myself. I think it's a bit retarded, since both girls and boys who are attracted to members of their own sex are gay. So I loathe the acronym LGBT, as I think it's redundant. (And don't get me started on LGBTQII - lordy!)

Perhaps "lesbian" is accepted because there is no male counterpart. Well, maybe "faggot," but you can see why that won't fly. But to paraphrase Rodney King, "can't we all just be gay?"

JWBear · 02-03-2011, 06:07 PM

"Homosexual" and "gay" do usually refer to both genders ("homosexual" especially). As to why there is no male equivalent to "lesbian", I truely do not know.

Kevy Baby · 02-03-2011, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear

"Homosexual" and "gay" do usually refer to both genders ("homosexual" especially).

See, a lot of my experience has been that both of these monikers usually refer to men, though not always. YMMV

Looking on Wikipedia (that definitive fount of accurate knowledge

) under Homosexuality, echos the sentiment that "Gay' is often used for men:

Quote:

The most common adjectives in use are lesbian for women and gay for men, though gay can refer to either men or women.

So, it looks like I have stumbled across an interesting topic. I am tempted to start a new thread on this, but shall refrain. However, I am interested in further discussion on the topic.

I would be afraid of starting a movement to 'create' a new, male specific moniker for it would surely create a horrible 'safe' word that would be repulsive and nobody would use it.

ETA: another one that should be gender neutral but tends to be applied to men is 'queer'. Is that considered a potentially derogatory term - sort of like it is okay for one homosexual to use when talking to another, but not for breeders to use to describe dem gays? Kind of like a rainbow version of the "N" word?

Morrigoon · 02-03-2011, 08:15 PM

Queer seems to often be applied also to trans folks, so no, I'm not sure that's entirely a gay male thing

innerSpaceman · 02-03-2011, 08:59 PM

Actually, queer is quickly picking up steam amongst not-strictly-straight youngsters of all genders and persuasions. I like it.

Not more than Gay. I really like Gay. Absolutely, wiki is right - it's mostly referring to men. But it technically applies to anyone who is homosexual. Too bad I never hear gay girls refer to themselves that way.

And, ycch, Lesbian. What an ugly word.
(Quoting from something, but I forget what.)

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Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	Here's a question I have been meaning to ask. It has probably been covered ad naseum on the interwebs, but I am too lazy to look. Why do the terms 'homosexual' and 'gay' predominantly refer to males since (unless I am mistaken) they are applicable to either gender? Conversely, female homosexuals are referred to as lesbians (the litany of slang terms aside), which is gender specific. Is there a non-slang term for male homosexuals - an equivalent to 'lesbian'? I am being serious about this. And I hope I am not offending anyone by asking this question! __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Kevy, I've always wondered that myself. I think it's a bit retarded, since both girls and boys who are attracted to members of their own sex are gay. So I loathe the acronym LGBT, as I think it's redundant. (And don't get me started on LGBTQII - lordy!) Perhaps "lesbian" is accepted because there is no male counterpart. Well, maybe "faggot," but you can see why that won't fly. But to paraphrase Rodney King, "can't we all just be gay?"
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	"Homosexual" and "gay" do usually refer to both genders ("homosexual" especially). As to why there is no male equivalent to "lesbian", I truely do not know. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Queer seems to often be applied also to trans folks, so no, I'm not sure that's entirely a gay male thing __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Actually, queer is quickly picking up steam amongst not-strictly-straight youngsters of all genders and persuasions. I like it. Not more than Gay. I really like Gay. Absolutely, wiki is right - it's mostly referring to men. But it technically applies to anyone who is homosexual. Too bad I never hear gay girls refer to themselves that way. And, ycch, Lesbian. What an ugly word. (Quoting from something, but I forget what.)
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