Lost

[scaeagles]

Mmmm, I don't know. She was getting ready to run away from her husband at the airport, remember?

I figure if she didn't have the heart to run away from her Korean mob enforcer husband, she wouldn't have the heart to do the horizontal mambo with Michael a couple of weeks after meeting him and betray that same mob enforcer husband.

[sleepyjeff]

Did anyone wonder how/why Helen was even at the motel? Was she following Locke? Did she seem to be non-plussed by his fathers resurection? Seems to me there is more going on here.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Did anyone wonder how/why Helen was even at the motel? Was she following Locke? Did she seem to be non-plussed by his fathers resurection? Seems to me there is more going on here.She was suspicious of Locke's reaction to the thugs (remember when she asked if he was lying to them?) so she followed him to the motel. She was indeed pissed at his father because she had been trying to get Locke get over his obsession with him, and here he was being used by him again. And having already heard the suggestion by the thugs that he might have faked his death, she was not surpised by him still being alive.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I figure if she didn't have the heart to run away from her Korean mob enforcer husband, she wouldn't have the heart to do the horizontal mambo with Michael a couple of weeks after meeting him and betray that same mob enforcer husband.I'm with you on this one. I also don't think she'd lie to him at this point.

[BarTopDancer]

I don't think it's Michaels baby. I think they had some good make-up sex after Jinn and gang returned from the raft other side of the Island.

[scaeagles]

I'm with you on this one. I also don't think she'd lie to him at this point.

She might....if the relationship is on the upswing and she had an indiscretion that she is not planning on repeating, it would be more hurtful to Jin to ease her own conscious than it would be benficial to Jin.

[Stan4dSteph]

Did anyone wonder how/why Helen was even at the motel? Was she following Locke? Did she seem to be non-plussed by his fathers resurection? Seems to me there is more going on here.It's an interesting and plausible theory. I wouldn't be surprised if she's in on the con.

[Gn2Dlnd]

The plane! The plane!

-wrong show

Anyhow, tune up your Tivo, there's a new episode on tonight.

listen to the podcast! (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/105662.html)

[scaeagles]

It's an interesting and plausible theory. I wouldn't be surprised if she's in on the con.

What purpose did she serve if she was involved with the con? I guess it could be twofold - first, knowing Locke would try to hide the money from Helen, he would also be hiding it from the two guys he took it from, and secondly, it could have been a way for Locke's dad to get the 200K back he had offered to Locke.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Having adopted (elements of) Fej and Mousepod's theory, I do believe Henry Gale, the fake one, not the buried one, to be the "man behind the curtain" as it were. I don't believe that he's just your run-of-the-mill "Other," I think he's inserted himself into his own experiment.

I mean, he did rattle off those numbers back to Locke pretty easily, don't you think?

[BarTopDancer]

Having adopted (elements of) Fej and Mousepod's theory, I do believe Henry Gale, the fake one, not the buried one, to be the "man behind the curtain" as it were. I don't believe that he's just your run-of-the-mill "Other," I think he's inserted himself into his own experiment.

I mean, he did rattle off those numbers back to Locke pretty easily, don't you think?

I wonder... if he was in any of Claire's flashbacks or in the Dharma movie...

[Stan4dSteph]

listen to the podcast! (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/105662.html)I do! Did you listen last week when they talked about plans for the interactive online experience? That sounds way cool. :cool:

[Gn2Dlnd]

I do! Did you listen last week when they talked about plans for the interactive online experience? That sounds way cool. :cool:

My first thought, unfortunately, was, "How am I going to have time for this?"

[scaeagles]

I always like the back stories, but I particularly liked Hurley's tonight. I did have Dave pegged as an imaginary friend as soon as the one guy threw the basketball over his head to Hurley. I also figured Libby must be associated with the mental hospital in some way, but I had figured that since Hurley said he recognized her. I liked hearing about why Hurley had been committed. It will be interesting to learn more about Libby.

"Henry"....who is the guy that will kill him? And the bearded Zeke is nothing? He sure knows a lot about the Others, but I wonder if he really is one still. Just my conspiratorial mind expecting another big twist, I suppose. I wonder if he made up the story about not pushing the button or if he really did not push it.

And regarding the others, Jack is setting out to find them next week. I wonder if he will get in touch with them and if they will want Henry back. Henry apparently knows about Walt and their interest in him......

[mistyisjafo]

I'm about ready to give up on Lost. Something interesting better happen soon, I'm getting a little bored!

[scaeagles]

Really? I think the pace at which they are revealing info is good. I have loved this season thus far.

[BarTopDancer]

23 people were on a balcony made for 8.

Charlie mentioned the lockdown and the food drop timing.

And another episode next week. I'm impressed (and expecting a month or 3 of repeats)

[Ghoulish Delight]

I
"Henry"....who is the guy that will kill him? And the bearded Zeke is nothing? He sure knows a lot about the Others, but I wonder if he really is one still. Just my conspiratorial mind expecting another big twist, I suppose.
His reaction regarding Zeke is more fodder for the Fej/Mousepod theory of a third group, experimenting on everyone, including the Others. I've taken to calling then THE Others. "Henry" either got careless and got caught by Rousseau, or he was for some reason trying to bail on THE Others.

I wonder if he made up the story about not pushing the button or if he really did not push it.
Impossible to know, but his description of what happened jives with the notes on the blast door map that indicated that whatever's behind the magnetic wall in the bunker (CV II) may be "inactive since accident".

I too caught on that Dave never existed pretty quickly. Nice little delsuion Hurley's got goin' there. At least we know that (assuming the whole thing ISN'T just in Hurley's mind, which would be the biggest cop-oute ver) that Libby is real as she's had tons of interaction with everyone else.

[BarTopDancer]

At least we know that (assuming the whole thing ISN'T just in Hurley's mind, which would be the biggest cop-oute ver) that Libby is real as she's had tons of interaction with everyone else.

I'm pretty sure I heard the producers say it wasn't a dream or in someones head (a la St. Elsewhere). It was about the time they said they wern't in pergurtory.

[mousepod]

I'm still sticking with my theory. I like what Gn2Dlnd and GD have brought to it. It makes me want to go back and analyze more stuff from the institution that Hurley was in (if he ever really was in an instition, of course).

[CoasterMatt]

It was the one armed man!

[scaeagles]

And another episode next week. I'm impressed (and expecting a month or 3 of repeats)

Have no fear! There is only one week with no new Lost episode scheduled, being Wednesday, April 19. Other than that, a new episode each week until a 2 hour season finale in late May.

[BarTopDancer]

Have no fear! There is only one week with no new Lost episode scheduled, being Wednesday, April 19. Other than that, a new episode each week until a 2 hour season finale in late May.

I love it when you talk no-repeats to me.

[FEJ]

I already wrote this out for my blog (http://www.fejsez.com/mt/);
Speaking of LOST, last night was great. I love Hurley's character. Between his story last night and part of Henry's comments, it really enforces my theory. They are all part of an mental experiment. The others included. "The Button," when pushed, self-medicates all involved in the actual reality, wherever that may be. SO far everyone involved has had some sort of psychological trauma or disorder. Some to extremes. Why wouldn't they be involved in an experiment? And the food? possibly it is laced with something? Maybe also laced with clonazepam? Anyone else think it's funny that Libby has been saying that she is a Clinical Psychologist, but showed up as a patient in the end? And Hurley had said he had met her before.
(on a side note, I think that Cynthia Watros, who plays Libby, is beautiful)

[BarTopDancer]

What is the theory for how the button dispenses medication? Would it be released into the air? And how would it reach the people who were not in the hatch?

And on another topic...They bring up Walt next week... what the heck happened to Michael? And the other flight attendant who disappeared when they were transporting Sawyer up the rock?

[FEJ]

What is the theory for how the button dispenses medication? Would it be released into the air? And how would it reach the people who were not in the hatch?




They are not actually on an island....:eek:

[Cadaverous Pallor]

If this is The Matrix I'm going to be very upset.

I do subscribe to your "higher power" theory, but we'll see how much The Others are involved in that.

[Capt Jack]

Im with Sayid. Start chopping parts off of Henry until youre satisfied you have it all then let him follow Hurleys imaginary friend to the sea bed.
Then start with Sawyer until you have your weapons back.

Hurley beating the snot out of Sawyer was worth the price of admission all by itself.

[scaeagles]

Hurley beating the snot out of Sawyer was worth the price of admission all by itself.

That was particularly funny.

[Ghoulish Delight]

That was particularly funny.
I liked when Hurley was enveloped in the tarp and had Sawyer by the legs. Looked like he was being eaten by some crazy tarp monster.

[scaeagles]

Wednesday afternoon thread bump. Set those DVRs!

[BarTopDancer]

Last night...

Was a nice episode. It was really great to learn more about Rose and Bernard. They are newlyweds!!!!! Once again the writers surpised me and made me question my pre-conceived notions about life.

Did anyone else catch the look on Suns face at the end? She does not look happy. Maybe the baby isn't Jins after all.

And "coming up" (what, 2 or 3 weeks?). Wow. Michael comes back. Maybe he'll have news about the brown-haired girl who went missing way back when.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Dude, awesome episode.

Here's my big question(s)...Did the others release Michael in trade for Henry Gale? Did THE Others release Michael in trade for Henry Gale? Was it coincidence? Is someone just f*cking with them (okay, that's a given).

[sleepyjeff]

Evil smile from "Henry" when Locke was re-asking his button question; was 'Henry' simply happy that Locke was anquished or does he have a reason for not wanting the button to be pressed??

What's up with the no-show monster? Have not seen(heard) it since the trip to the Pirate Ship way back in Jan.?

[scaeagles]

I am sure that (assuminng Michael was in the possession of the others) Michael would have been released with the intention of misinformation.

If the others were interested in a trade, wouldn't they wait until Henry was brought out?

[Ghoulish Delight]

What's up with the no-show monster? Have not seen(heard) it since the trip to the Pirate Ship way back in Jan.?No, we've seen it since then, when Charlie and Eko went to find the plane and Eko communed with it.

[sleepyjeff]

^Oh, that's right.

Still, it was such a big part of the show durring the first season and now it seems to make appearences only rarely.

[scaeagles]

Evil smile from "Henry" when Locke was re-asking his button question; was 'Henry' simply happy that Locke was anquished or does he have a reason for not wanting the button to be pressed??

What's up with the no-show monster? Have not seen(heard) it since the trip to the Pirate Ship way back in Jan.?

Not Henry is approaching Ethan in creepiness level. I don't really know if Not Henry's goal is for the button not to be pushed or if he's just happy screwing with their minds.

I have also been wondering about the monster/monsters (there are theories that there is more than one monster). There sure doesn't seem to be much worry amongst the survivors about it/them anymore.

[BarTopDancer]

I want to smack that smile right off Henrys face.

Oh man GD, I didn't even link Jack out there screaming and Michael's "release".

Or did Michael escape? Maybe Alex helped?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Or did Michael escape? Maybe Alex helped?Or maybe Michael's been turned by the others and has been sent back as a double agent....

[BarTopDancer]

Or maybe Michael's been turned by the others and has been sent back as a double agent....


:eek:

[Cadaverous Pallor]

One of the best things about this show is when they say something almost became a plot hole.

Kate was reaching for the doll and Jack tells her to stop, but she grabs it anyway and they get stuck in a trap. I thought "why the hell didn't she listen to him?" Jack said something to her and she responded, so he said "Oh, so you CAN hear." Love it!

Yeah, Michael just happened to appear right when they were asking for a trade. I'm sure this will have repercussions regarding Henry.

Get it? Regarding Henry? :p

[BarTopDancer]

Get it? Regarding Henry? :p

ba da bum

[Tito's Kitten]

I love Rose and Bernard. They are so cute. I do like the whole bringing up being healed on the island. Is that why Libby is "normal" now? Although I am starting to worry that maybe my thoughts are correct that yes it is all some sort of Matrix-y experiment-y study in pyschology and fear and what not. I hope not though.

Yes, Sun did not look thrilled when Jin was caressing her tummy. I think she did sleep with her "friend" but doesn't want to hurt Jin now since hell, they are trapped on the island.

I want to beat the crap out of the fake "Henry Gale". He is such a jerk. Jerky jerk others.....

[BarTopDancer]

Henry Gale is played by Michael Emerson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0256237/) who played Jigsaw in the first SAW movie.

He does creepy and drive you to smack him jerky/smug very well.

[Tito's Kitten]

What is scary is on that link someone has a post that says "FORGET BRAD PITT MICHAEL DOES IT FOR ME"

He does something for me too. He makes me want to slap him.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I love Rose and Bernard. They are so cute. I do like the whole bringing up being healed on the island. Is that why Libby is "normal" now?If that's the deal then how come Hurley had an invisible friend relapse?

Although I am starting to worry that maybe my thoughts are correct that yes it is all some sort of Matrix-y experiment-y study in pyschology and fear and what not.You and everyone else.
Yes, Sun did not look thrilled when Jin was caressing her tummy. I think she did sleep with her "friend" but doesn't want to hurt Jin now since hell, they are trapped on the island.I still don't think Sun is lying to Jin, after the way she told him she had been faithful. I think that if I were told that my husband couldn't impregnate me, but now I'm on Spooky Island of Weirdness and I got pregnant, I'd be just a bit concerned as to what really is in my tummy. Plus, look at all the crap that Claire got into with her pregnancy. I'd be worried that the Others would drag me off as soon as they got wind of it.

She has plenty of reasons to frown without lying.

[sleepyjeff]

I have also been wondering about the monster/monsters (there are theories that there is more than one monster). There sure doesn't seem to be much worry amongst the survivors about it/them anymore.

I just know that sometime next Month with no warning whatsoever....dialog will be cut in mid-sentence and the Monster will attack....quite visiously I bet. The producers are setting us up not to be fearfull of the monster just as the losties don't seem to be fearing it at all right now.

[Tito's Kitten]

Originally posted by Cadaverous Pallor
I still don't think Sun is lying to Jin, after the way she told him she had been faithful. I think that if I were told that my husband couldn't impregnate me, but now I'm on Spooky Island of Weirdness and I got pregnant, I'd be just a bit concerned as to what really is in my tummy. Plus, look at all the crap that Claire got into with her pregnancy. I'd be worried that the Others would drag me off as soon as they got wind of it.

Very true CP. I am just concerned that it seemed like that episode didn't tell the full story. I think something may have happened. That is just a gut feeling.

If that's the deal then how come Hurley had an invisible friend relapse?


Maybe it was something in his subconscious trying to get out. Here poor Hurley was having these food issues again and wanting to stop but something wouldn't let him. Then his "friend" shows up as he is really trying to deal with those issues and trying to gain self-confidence. So, he reverted back to something he was used to, making excuses and bringing back a character in his life that made him feel better about himself. Did that make any sense? I think having an imaginary friend isn't necessarily the worst mental health issue in the world. Although I would be nervous if my imaginary friend was telling me to jump off a cliff.

[katiesue]

I also didn't think Sun was freaked because she was preggers and it wasn't Jin's. I thought it was more like being on an island where weird things happend and apparently kidnapping kids runs rampant. My first thought when she found out was what if it's not human?

[FEJ]

If that's the deal then how come Hurley had an invisible friend relapse?



Didn't he stop eating the Dharma food? Only fruit? He wasn't getting the "Meds"

[katiesue]

Didn't he stop eating the Dharma food? Only fruit? He wasn't getting the "Meds"

Yes but he didn't stop eating the Dharma food until after the re-lapse. He had the secret stash of Dharma food that he was eating when he had the re-lapse.

[FEJ]

Yes but he didn't stop eating the Dharma food until after the re-lapse. He had the secret stash of Dharma food that he was eating when he had the re-lapse.
another theory is he was trying to cut down, and due to his size, it was wearing off. he may need to intake more than the others for it to take affect. as for the time before they found the food, they could have been under the initial dose of the experiment.

[Ghoulish Delight]

There's an on-line interactive game on the way that will supposedly reveal some more info about the island. May 3rd is the US launch date.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12462498/

[Stan4dSteph]

I do! Did you listen last week when they talked about plans for the interactive online experience? That sounds way cool. :cool:Ahem.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Ahem.
Yeah...well...your post didn't have a lanch date, so :p

[Stan4dSteph]

Yeah...well...your post didn't have a lanch date, so :pYeah, well, you're a loser who doesn't listen to the podcast. neener

[scaeagles]

Thread bump - first new episode in a while tonight. Four weeks of new ones until the season finale.

[BarTopDancer]

EEK! Lost and a hockey game! Whatever shall I do?!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

EEK! Lost and a hockey game! Whatever shall I do?!Puh-leeze, girl. You shall watch Lost. :p

[BarTopDancer]

Puh-leeze, girl. You shall watch Lost. :p

But... but... but!!!! We're in game 7! It's do or die!

The game starts at 6. Hopefully it will be done by 9. Good thing it's an away game.

[Prudence]

this will be so weird- I don't have to tape Lost and watch it on the weekend. I'll actually be able to read this thread tomorrow!

[scaeagles]

Holy freakin' cow! I surely did not see that coming. Yikes! Are there any tailies left besides Bernard?

So....is Michael being blackmailed with Walt by The Others? Or has he actually become one of them for some reason? I would guess he shot himself in the shoulder to make it appear as if Not Henry did it while escaping, along with killing Ana Lucia and Libby. Hurley is going to be bummed.

I guess this means what he told them about The Others is inaccurate.

[BarTopDancer]

HOLY FREEKING COW!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!

And I read your post before the show ended and I was still shocked!

I think he was drugged and has become one of them. The fact that they have Walt makes it even more complicated. Ana was on purpose and I think Libby was an accident. But why did he kill Ana. And what was on his forehead.

Rose is still alive.

Did you see all the connections? Sawyer is who ran into the car door (or the cardoor hit). Ana and Jinn were in line at the airport. Was the blond Claires mom? She looked a lot like her.. from a distance of course.

[Ghoulish Delight]

So...I'm guessing Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros (Anna Lucia and Libby) got wasted after their last day of filming, and that's when they got pulled over. Just a guess.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

And it looks like the rumors of the producers wanting to get ride of Michelle Rodriguez ASAP were true after all....

But da-ha-ha-mn! I did not see that ending coming!!! :eek:
Although in hindsight, I should have been a lot more suspicious when Michael said The Others all lived like peasants when we know for a fact this is not true.

[scaeagles]

Rose wasn't a tailie. I did forget about Eko, though.

As far as what Michael said he saw....I didn't find that suspicious at all, really. I just figured they were living like that above ground but the less peasant like existance was underground.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Is Libby definitely dead? I don't want to believe it. I wanted at least a little bit more resolution for her character. I want to know who she was!

I think that the two women's DUIs came earlier in the year; this episode would have filmed only a month or so ago. Perhaps they wanted to wash their hands of trouble.

Did everybody catch the fictional Lost commercial? I believe that the interactive multimedia game is on as of last night; there was a phone number and awebsite. (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/)

[scaeagles]

I've read media reports for a while that Michelle Rodriguez is an absolute pain in the butt to work with and they've been planning on killing her off for a while now.

[Stan4dSteph]

I've read media reports for a while that Michelle Rodriguez is an absolute pain in the butt to work with and they've been planning on killing her off for a while now.She was on Good Morning America this morning and stated that she was made aware when she signed on that she would be killed off. She wasn't allowed to tell any other cast members, though.

[NirvanaMan]

Wow...that was crazy! However, we don't know for sure that both are dead yet.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Wow...that was crazy! However, we don't know for sure that both are dead yet.Yes, Libby was holding blankets in front of her, which seemed to be what Michael aimed at.

Meanwhile...as if Sawyer wouldn't notice until that moment that his gun was missing?

[Prudence]

I'm slightly annoyed that they're repeating the "make the really annoying character more appealing so that you start to take an interest and then kill them off by one of their own" routine used for that other chick. I mean, yeah it took that particular character full circle, but it's approaching annoying now.

[NirvanaMan]

Yes, Libby was holding blankets in front of her, which seemed to be what Michael aimed at.

Meanwhile...as if Sawyer wouldn't notice until that moment that his gun was missing?

And knowing that place, they could have been Kevlar blankies or something. Sawyer was enjoying the afterglow.

[MickeyD]

I totally saw that coming!






KIDDING!!


But when he said "I'm sorry" I was like, WHOA!!!! And then I thought in hindsight, of course, I should have realized she would die in this episode as soon as I stopped hating her.....

I love the fact that my friend who scours the web every day for Lost spoilers was just as shocked as me......then do such a good job keeping things secret.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

At the library we got a new book and something about it made me look twice.

It's Bad Twin (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/sr=8-1/qid=1146861963/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-8460708-2012050?%5Fencoding=UTF8), the book written by "Gary Troup", who was on Oceanic Flight 815.

Interesting way for a TV show to break into the book market. "Sawyer's copy got burned, but you can purchase one of your very own!"

Rumor is that it's James Patterson who wrote it. I can't believe this show is leading me to read a Patterson book. :p

[Gn2Dlnd]

So, Adelphia cable has been experiencing intermittent blackouts for what seems like months now. My ex-roomate (who works/worked? for ABC) actually had to make them do a make-good on an episode a few months back. Wednesday they fvcked up again. 6 minutes of show, 10 minutes of black screen, 1 minute of show, 3 minutes of black screen, etc. I hate them. My landlord won't let us put a dish on the roof, so I'm stuck. I just watched the episode in bits and pieces on youtube (thank you!) and was stunned, STUNNED I tells ya! No commercials, however. Did anyone get the phone # for the Hanso Foundation? It's not on the website. I tried to sign up, and somebody named "Persephone" asked me for a password. Apparently it's at the phone # from the commercial. Also, watch Joop's webcam, someone creepy breaks into the transmission for a few frames.

Adaelphia did give me a $20.00 credit for my troubles. That was nice, but not worth not getting service.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I have the password if you want it. This whole thing is pretty neat; be sure you sign up for the newsletter before you send Joop a message.

Password behind spoiler tags.
breaking strain

[BarTopDancer]

Thanks Heidi!

They have a mental health division...

Oh man. I could spend hours here. Did anyone else read the memo about the meningoccical outbreak?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Anyone know when the finale is?

Please don't let it be the 17th.

[Ghoulish Delight]

The finale should be the 24th. Why, what's with the 17th?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

The finale should be the 24th. Why, what's with the 17th?A couple weeks ago I said I'd work until 9pm on the 17th.

Phew.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

A couple weeks ago I said I'd work until 9pm on the 17th.Have you no mechanism for recording TV shows to watch at a later time...?
;) :p

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Have you no mechanism for recording TV shows to watch at a later time...?
;) :pFor the finale? Are you crackers???

[NirvanaMan]

Watching TV live is like fishing....live.

[BarTopDancer]

Now that they are throwing in Hanso Foundation commercials there is no point in starting a few minutes late to fast forward.

[Gn2Dlnd]

For the finale? Are you crackers???

Cheese crackers?

[scaeagles]

Tonight I am hoping we find out a bit more as to what the hell is going on the Michael.

[xharryb]

I believe tonight is an Eko episode, though I'm sure he'll tie in with the rest of the recent events.

[scaeagles]

Just as a heads up for anyone recording, it is extending by 5 minutes, so be sure to get those.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Guess what? It wasn't the cable, it was the BOX! Apparently the damn thing wasn't synching with TIVO. Who knew there was such a problem. New box, newly synched, and, for good measure, I'll have the computer record it too.

[BarTopDancer]

Holy Cow.

[BarTopDancer]

commercial/website www.subLYMONal.com - powered by Sprite. I followed it and it takes you back to the Hanso Foundation site executive page. I can't figure out what goes in the text box but I'm pretty sure it's from the flashing code. Heir something.

Does anyone think Michael is the "Bad Twin"? And Claires psychic! And that second hatch?! They have to have been observed from another hatch. So much more but it's time for bed. That was an amazing episode.

[xharryb]

I want to know where the tube went...

[scaeagles]

OK....so Claire's psychic, the guy Eko went to see, says he's a fraud. Does this mean what he told Claire in season one is fraudulent? For a fake, he sure did seem freaked out about Claire and certain of the flight she needed to be on. Or perhaps, since his daughter obviously has some sort of gift, did he get the info from her?

Anyway...where does that tube lead, xharryb? I would guess to the question mark, but who knows.

What's the deal with Marvin Candle changing his name to Mark Wickman in the video found in the other hatch?

Eko is perhaps my favorite character, so I was glad to see more of him than we have the last few weeks.

Very sad episode.

Previews for next week.....

Looks like Sayid is onto Michael, huh?

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I'm so mad Libby's dead. So mad.

[scaeagles]

I was bummin' about that too. Poor Hurley. He's gonna dish out some serious whoop apple on Michael should he find out.

[Stan4dSteph]

Did anyone catch the garbled word before what sounded like ferry during the orientation video? Something about taking the "?? ferry back to the barracks" after your shift at The Pearl.

[scaeagles]

I did a rewind on the DVR a couple times to try to catch it but couldn't make it out.

[Stan4dSteph]

I did a rewind on the DVR a couple times to try to catch it but couldn't make it out.Did you try with closed captions? I have to do some extra manipulation to get mine to come up, so didn't get around to it last night. I'm wondering if it's spelled out there. Sometimes they just say [garbled].

[scaeagles]

No, actually. I had never thought of trying that. Perhaps if I have the time today I'll bring it up and check it out.

ETA: I have another thought......I wonder if the new station that monitors the other stations records anything? Perhaps there is a tape of Michael shooting Ana Lucia and Libby? Perhaps this is why Ana Lucia appears to Eko in a dream to have him go find the place?

Just a thought.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I thought the new hatch IS the question mark. Isn't that what Eko saw when he was up on top of the cliff?

We paused on the printout of the log, nothing really to make of it. Sequence of odd numbers (odd as in not divisble by 2, not odd as in strange). Couldn't correlate them to anything. And we slow-mo'd the sequence of images in Eko's dreams, right after Anna tells him to help Locke. All things we've seen before (scenes from Eko's backstory and time on the island + the Darma symbol).

I'd just like to point out...a piece of paper stuck in a pneumatic tube like that would go nowhere. That's not how pneumatics work.

Here's my question. Who's watching the wathers? Eko noticed that even that hatch has a camera. I'm thinking that whoever was in that hatch was also part of the experiment...perhaps a control set. The name-change of lab-coat dude would support that.

[scaeagles]

I thought the new hatch IS the question mark.

I don't think so. On the blast door map that Locke saw, the Pearl is listed as a station on the perifery with the question mark in the middle. They didn't find the question mark.

What Eko saw was something like a target that could be seen from the air.

Of course, the blast door map could be inaccurate.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

the Pearl is listed as a station on the perifery with the question mark in the middle. They didn't find the question mark.That's weird. I was sure I saw a big question mark on the ground when Eko looked down...? I'll have to re-watch it tonight.

[scaeagles]

It is certainly possible that what Eko saw on the ground was a question mark. I didn't look at it that closely. But it still remains that the the Pearl is not the question mark on the blast door map.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

It is certainly possible that what Eko saw on the ground was a question mark. I didn't look at it that closely. But it still remains that the the Pearl is not the question mark on the blast door map.There was a question mark made of dirt. Eko sees it from above and comes back down. Then he walks along the question mark, rubs his hands in the dirt, tastes it, and says the area was salted to keep the plants from growing in.

I have no clue how you missed that :confused: The Pearl is the question mark. The map led them there, and they found it.

I cried and cried over Libby. I was totally rooting for her to say something. I suppose the writers want this Michael ruse to move forward. This may get seriously ugly, quick.

It occured to me that there are so many ways of looking at things and it's hard to understand who's in the right. Even the Others think they're the right ones, and hell, they may be, for some insane reason. But when Eko and John have dreams that tell them what to do, it's tough to say "He could be wrong." Unless whoever's controlling things has a mind-control ray...hell, what other explanation is there for Charlie's bizarre baby-snatching impulses?

[Ghoulish Delight]

I have no clue how you missed that :confused: The Pearl is the question mark. The map led them there, and they found it.No, he's right about that much...the question mark on the door is in the middle. "The Pearl" is written next to one of the outlying hatches on the door-map. So they still haven't found THE question mark. But that doesn't mean that whoever's running the show doesn't use the question mark as a generic symbol to mark all (or important) hatches.

[katiesue]

If the video said it was from the early 80's (I forget the exact year) why were the TV's much older looking? My thought was since it seemed like it had obviously been abandonded for quite some time perhaps all the cameras etc work but they can now be transmitted to a more remote location?

I didn't really pay attenton to the numbers on the print out, but my thought at the time was that it was a print out of the numbers being entered into the computer in the Losties hatch.

There was something on the tape that said something about a ferry or something off the island after each 8hr shift.

I was hoping they found some sort of playback or something that would show Michael shooting Libby & Ana but that didn't happen.

I liked how Michael was having a panic attack the whole episode that Libby would survive. I was kind of waiting for him to try and do something else to her but that ended up not being necessary. Poor Hurley.

Sawyer was sleeping on his stash - excellent plan.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I didn't really pay attenton to the numbers on the print out, but my thought at the time was that it was a print out of the numbers being entered into the computer in the Losties hatch.That was our thought too, but nope.

[Stan4dSteph]

The mark on the ground looked like a question mark. Later on in conversation, it was referred to as a circle for a target to mark the location. My thought is that the plane crashing down there smudge the circle so it looked more like a ?

I believe this is the ? Eko's brother wanted him to find. There is also the possibility that he was referring to the ? on the blast door map. I'm guessing we haven't heard the last of ?

[scaeagles]

Later on in conversation, it was referred to as a circle for a target to mark the location.

That's right - that's why I keep thinking it was a target. Eko did refer to it as that.

[xharryb]

I just couldn't believe neither John nor Eko said anything about "where does this tube go?" If the people working there in the Pearl were just sending note books out through it, that means there are records somewhere. Either the tube goes directly to someone in charge, which would mean they have to be fairly close. Or it could just take the notebooks to some sort of storage location. Either they get stored for later pick-up, or they get stored because they aren't needed by Hanso. This could be another experiment just like the button pushing. So, by following the tube you either find the head cheese or you find records of hatch activity that may prove useful. Either way, seems like a worthy endeavor to me.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I love Eko-centric episodes. And the return of Claire's creepy psychic...and the introdcution of his creepy resurrection daughter.

Poor Libby. Poor Hurley. And why is it only Sayid suspects Michael? He LOOK guilty. Heh.

Crop circle island targets - love it!

Eko and Locke working together. Fun, fun, fun.

[BarTopDancer]

Question re: Previews What do you think they see at the end? Walt and the rest of the kidnappers? The Others? Who is that other woman who told Michael he is alive?

[scaeagles]

Question re: Previews What do you think they see at the end? Walt and the rest of the kidnappers? The Others? Who is that other woman who told Michael he is alive?

They all sure do look a bit freaked out when they are looking at whatever they are looking at. I doubt it is the others.....I would suspect that wouldn't hold their attention as much as send them running. It must be something new to them.

As far as who is talking to Michael, I suppose saying "an other" would be pretty obvious.

[FEJ]

My gut says that the "?" is in the underneath the roots, hence needing the axe. I don't think it was just for climbing or opening the hatch door. I thought "?" was just below Pearl. And yes, I would have tried to follow the tube, or st least check to see if there are any other exits. maybe a false wall, etc..
I do like Eko, and the spiritual path he is on. There is a lot of doubt in Locke now. Between Henry, and finding out that pushing the button may be doing nothing, he is in crisis. It is like Eko is the flow to his Ebb. There will be mor

[katiesue]

Question re: Previews What do you think they see at the end? Walt and the rest of the kidnappers? The Others? Who is that other woman who told Michael he is alive?


What if it's like at the end of Planet of the Apes and the Statue of Liberty is burried in the sand?

That or a boat or massivle vacation resort were my other thoughts.

[FEJ]

Go to the site, and under executive bios, there is a text entry box in the middle of Thomas Mittlewerk's bio. Enter "heir apparent (which was retrieved from the "subLYMONal" site) some interesting things here. It sure looks like Claire's Psychic's Daughter that turns around.

[Stan4dSteph]

Go to the site, and under executive bios, there is a text entry box in the middle of Thomas Mittlewerk's bio. Enter "heir apparent (which was retrieved from the "subLYMONal" site) some interesting things here. It sure looks like Claire's Psychic's Daughter that turns around. I wasn't sure if that was her or Claire.

[FEJ]

I wasn't sure if that was her or Claire.


looked more like her. love that site. so much they can do..read more of my theory on my site. :fej:

[scaeagles]

As far as if it is a question mark or not on the ground, here is a link to a screen cap that I think is somewhat indecisive....

What Eko see while looking down from the cliff (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1064&pos=333)

[BarTopDancer]

The website isn't working for me :( I can't get past the text box.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I believe it is purposely ambiguous...clearly it was made as a circle, but wear, as well as the angle/shadows, make it appear to be a qustion mark (and if I were scribbling something on a wall, I'd certainly scribble it as "that one that kinda looked like a question mark").

[sleepyjeff]

Why no monsters???

[Gn2Dlnd]

The Tivo, once again, recorded an entire hour of black screen for "Alias," and off-on-off-on for the entire episode of "Lost." WTF? Well, thank the Maker, ABC.com (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing) has posted full episodes of "Lost," "Alias," "Desperate Housewives," and, unfortunately, "Commander in Chief," for your free viewing pleasure! Very short flash-type commercials, small but beautiful picture, and full stereo sound.
Now, if they add "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition," I will never have to record another ABC show!
I'm a little wary of the wording "WATCH FULL EPISODES ONLINE FOR FREE!
MAY 1 2006 - JUNE 30 2006"

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Commodore, I'm so glad you got to see it online at least. If you really were deprived you're welcome to stop by our place and watch it on our DVR anytime.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Except I accidentally delted this week's episode.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Except I accidentally delted this week's episode.:eek: Doh!

Is there any way to make sure that Lost episodes can't be deleted by us prematurely?

[Gn2Dlnd]

Except I accidentally delted this week's episode.

Good thing you can still watch it on ABC.com (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing).

Thanks for the invite, CP! I wish gas wasn't so hideous.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Other than not absentmiendly hitting the "Delete" and "Ok" options after hitting stop? Nope.

[cirquelover]

Can't you protect your recordings? I've found that is a great tool for keeping the kid from erasing my shows.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Can't you protect your recordings? I've found that is a great tool for keeping the kid from erasing my shows.
Not that I know of, but I don't know that I've ever looked for that feature. The only thing I know of is I can "preserve" an episode, but that just ensures that, if I have it set to keep 2 episodes, the specific episode I choose to "preserve" doesn't get kicked out once a 3rd episode records.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Good thing you can still watch it on ABC.com (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing).

Thanks for the invite, CP! I wish gas wasn't so hideous.

Gas to Hollywood for you isn't hideous at all. Come watch with us.

[BarTopDancer]

This is what is in the sequence after AL tells Eko he needs to help John (at the begnining of the show):

A body (appears to be a white male) in the water
A cross necklace (his brothers?) on the ground
Legs running through the jungle (appear to be black)
The teddybear on a string
Fire in a fire pit
Someone (Jinn?) blindfolded
Virgin Mary statues at the church
The plane on fire with [I think] Eko and Charlie watching it
Ekos brother
Dharma Logo with the arrow
A bible
Ekos stick with the bible quotes on it
His brothers burned body (just the head and teeth)
Locke [the look on his face is similar to when he was looking at the map on the blast doors]


I went to re-watch that scene to see what else I missed and my TiVo hit a bunch of other scenes: Pulling bodies out of the water, the monster, the plane scene where his brother gets on the drug plane and the army comes. I know I missed more.

[Betty]

Our Tivo now has a feature that allows you to undelete things you have recently deleted. Very handy. Just appeared there one day after an update.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I finished Bad Twin (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/sr=8-1/qid=1147809173/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-4910229-2777550?%5Fencoding=UTF8) which was a passable book but has very little to do with the show. They fly Oceanic from LA to Sydney and back again, and they reference Hanso, but that's about it.

Here's the best part - the detective ends up at the Hanso Foundation offices by mistake and reads this plaque:
The Hanso Foundation stands at the vanguard of social and scientific research for the advancement of the human race. For forty years, the foundation has offered grants to worthy experiments designed to further the evolution ofhte human race and provide technological solutions to the most pressing problems of our time. The Hanso Foundation: a commitment to encouraging excellence in science and technology and furthering the cause of human development.

Fun stuff, eh?

[scaeagles]

Reminder....last episode prior to the finale next week airs tonight.

Gn2Dlnd - how's the DVR situation? Or are you just going to watch it on your computer?

[Gn2Dlnd]

The Tivo seems to be working ok - but it's good to have the streaming video as a backup. Did anyone else check it out? It's very nicely done.

I might have discovered a bug in the Tivo, I'm not sure yet. I tend to leave the Tivo paused on whatever I'm watching, so I don't have to search through menus and possibly get sidetracked by a new Simpsons episode. Since I've stopped leaving it on pause, I haven't seen the problem. I guess I'll know for sure, when I get home from the Park tonight.

Thanks for asking.

[scaeagles]

Not my favorite episode, but it was nice to see what was going on with Michael while he was gone. Walt seems to have confirmed what had been alluded to in the past - that the Others are acting to cover up what is really going on in the hatch that they are guarding.

Is Eko becoming the new Locke? Faith in the button?

I'll be curious to find out the origins of the boat and what Sayid comes up with to turn the tables on Michael.

And by the way....I could have sworn I saw Desmond in the Others camp.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I was surprised they trotted out Walt. He's aged a LOT and I was sure they were going to continue the ruse of "you can't see him". (We saw the actor in a guest shot on My Name Is Earl a few weeks back.) Since they waited so long I guess people have sort of forgotten what he looks like, but still, he was freakin' tall in that scene.

Michael is an ass - I couldn't comprehend delivering up 4 people (much less 4 plus killing 2 myself) in order to save one person, no matter who that person is. Sorry GD! :p

Eko's "faith in the button" seems a little bizarre. Push it, dig it, sure, but sit in front of the monitor and don't attend the funerals, even though he's the resident priest? Remember, Libby was his comrade in Tailie arms and Ana Lucia was his Fearless Leader (though we all know he only follows his own path).

[LSPoorEeyorick]

For the first time in Lost-watching history, I was bored with this episode. Yes, Michael was doing it to save Walt. Yes, Sayid realized Michael was lying (and we saw this in the trailer.) Ok, so there's a boat. I just didn't feel that all that much was revealed.

And "all our questions will be answered" in the finale? Hmm. I think the X-Files said that a lot, and they never answered anything, either.

I think I'm stil resentful about Libby. I am never going to be OK with it, even if they explain her backstory someday. They've only killed off women since Boone, and there weren't a lot of women to begin with. Say all they want about how they're just serving the story, you can't tell me they're not making the balanace more testosterone-heavy by getting rid of her. (I don't care about Ana Lucia-- that was my problem with her from the start.)

[Gn2Dlnd]

Say all they want about how they're just serving the story, you can't tell me they're not making the balanace more testosterone-heavy by getting rid of her. )

What about Miss Clue? I think we'll be seeing more of the queen bee in the future.
I love Miss Clue's name, I love that the Others' costumes are all monochromatic, while the Losties are colorful.

The DVR. I believe it's haunted. I set the Tivo in the living room, and the computer in the bedroom to both record Alias and Lost. So, first choice is to watch in the living room because I made myself some hot wings and I have a new coffee table on which to eat them. Alias was fine. Lost was fine! Until the end. At the funeral, Hurley turns towards Michael and says, (screen goes to menu, "Lost: 3 Minutes.")

AAAAAAGH!

First off, the episode was 1 hour, 4 minutes according to the Tivo. It turned off at 1 hour, 1 minute. And when I say turned off, the entire Tivo system turned OFF, and reset itself. About a 5 minute process. WTF? So, it "lost 3 minutes." Which was the name of the episode. I'm not making this up, I kept the episode on the Tivo just in case I have to prove it to any of you (shakes fist.)

So, I retire to the bedroom, after washing my dishes, and the computer has dutifully recorded Alias, thank you, and the first 45 minutes of Lost.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????

Thank you, ABC.com (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing) for posting the entire episode this morning, so I can see Hurley decide to join Michael (No Hurley!,) and Sun see the boat. They cram a lot into those last couple minutes.

The boat is a red herring. "See Michael, you bring those four people to us, and we'll give you your boat. It won't take you anywhere, but enjoy it just the same." Notice, the boat appeared the second the only holdout agreed to come.

Sayeed is gonna fvck Miss Clue up.

[scaeagles]

Dude, your Tivo is screwed up.

Good theory on the boat, but I think the boat may have something to do with Desmond. We haven't seem him for a while, and he was sailing around the world when he ended up on the island. What if, when he ran off into the jungle, he went to go try to repair it? What else could he have been doing?

I wonder how much will be resolved in the finale. They have promised to tell a lot. I don't mind new mysteries arising as long as they clear up some lingering ones.

I agree that Sayid is going to kick some butt, but it seems as if Ms. Clue may be a little high up in the organization to get to.

[Stan4dSteph]

I wonder how much will be resolved in the finale. They have promised to tell a lot. I don't mind new mysteries arising as long as they clear up some lingering ones.The writers who do the Podcast have said one thing for sure: We will know why the plane crashed by the end of this season. I can't wait for Season 7 - The Zombie Season! :D

[scaeagles]

Season finale tonight! Many things have been promised to be resolved tonight....I'm looking forward to seeing if that is the case. I think if the writers/producers don't they are going to have some mightily pissed viewers and that will affect their ratings next season for sure.

[BarTopDancer]

Season finale tonight! Many things have been promised to be resolved tonight....I'm looking forward to seeing if that is the case. I think if the writers/producers don't they are going to have some mightily pissed viewers and that will affect their ratings next season for sure.

Especialy when they say we'll know why the plane crashed and a bunch of other stuff.

Is it 2 hours? And set everything to run over, as it probably will go late.

[Prudence]

Yay! And I'll be home to see it for once! We have popcorn!

[Gn2Dlnd]

The Tivo recorded the Alias finale just fine on Monday. We'll see how it does tonight. Otherwise, I'll be up at 6 AM to watch it on the website before I go do my Farmer's Market.

The podcast indicated that the boat is probably related to Desmond. Oh, and the correct spelling of Miss Clue is Ms. Klugh and Sayeed is Sayid.
The more you know.

[scaeagles]

The Tivo recorded the Alias finale just fine on Monday.

(as an aside to Lost, I was quite satisfied with the fate of Sloane)

[BarTopDancer]

The more you know.

This PSA brought to you by Gn2Dlnd.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Jimmy Kimmel (http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/index.html) has an "interesting" guest scheduled for tonight—Hugh McIntyre from the HANSO Foundation!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Season finale tonight! Many things have been promised to be resolved tonight....I'm looking forward to seeing if that is the case. I think if the writers/producers don't they are going to have some mightily pissed viewers and that will affect their ratings next season for sure.Ha! Like LOST is a habit anyone can kick :rolleyes: ;)

[scaeagles]

I didn't say I was one of them.....only reporting what I've read and also looking at the fact that there has been a dip in their ratings as of late.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I didn't say I was one of them.....only reporting what I've read and also looking at the fact that there has been a dip in their ratings as of late.I didn't say you were one of them either.

[scaeagles]

I know - I am simply saying that I'll be watching next year unless Jack wakes up from a dream on the beach and the entire season two didn't happen.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Jimmy Kimmel (http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/index.html) has an "interesting" guest scheduled for tonight—Hugh McIntyre from the HANSO Foundation!

Thanks for the tip - (shakes fist at Tivo) - Didn't take them any time at all to get thet synergy ball rolling, did it?

BTW, tomorrow there will be a post-finale podcast. If you guys haven't been listening, Damon and Carlton had some interesting things to say about the Hanso Foundation on this weeks 'cast.

[BarTopDancer]

The 8:00 Lost is a rerun of the overview.
9:00 is a the finalie.

[scaeagles]

Ummm......OK.

I was good until the last 5 minutes. Then they lost me. Pun not intended.

I really liked what was going on. I was a bit fooled by the camp - while I wasn't surprised that the huts were abandoned, I was surprised there was nothing behind the door.

I like that the button isn't fake. I expected that it was going to be. I think it's pretty cool that the electromagnetic thing brought flight 815 down. Apparently there certainly was an "incident". However, what was the purpose of the monitoring station and the booklets that went nowhere?

I enjoyed learning more about Desmond. Him killing Kelvin....good twist, though I expected it after Kelvin wasn't dead in a couple months of Desmond being with him. I think Desmond had said Kelvin died a couple months after he got there. I also found it interesting that Libby was the one who gave him the boat.

So, we learned some things, Walt and Michael are reunited (though Michael's a putz)......but I have no idea what the hell the last 5 minutes meant.

The Russian guys said "they missed it again". And then they call the Widmore chick (Penelope?), Desmond's girlfriend, to say they think they found him. I'm guessing they are referring to Desmond, but how do they know to search for an electromagnetic disturbance? If they know to look for such a disturbance, wouldn't they then presumably know that he was at the place that could cause such a disturbance?

Confused as hell. Intrigued, satisfied with the movement in the story and the answered questions, but definitely confused.

ETA: Oh yeah....what the hell was the big foot thing?

[BarTopDancer]

I really liked what was going on. I was a bit fooled by the camp - while I wasn't surprised that the huts were abandoned, I was surprised there was nothing behind the door.

Me too. Did anyone catch what the symbol was?

I like that the button isn't fake. I expected that it was going to be.
I think it's pretty cool that the electromagnetic thing brought flight 815 down. Apparently there certainly was an "incident".

I wonder what the other incident was though. The one discussed on the film.

However, what was the purpose of the monitoring station and the booklets that went nowhere?

I think just part of the experiment. The observers were part of the experiment as well.

I enjoyed learning more about Desmond. Him killing Kelvin....good twist, though I expected it after Kelvin wasn't dead in a couple months of Desmond being with him. I think Desmond had said Kelvin died a couple months after he got there. I also found it interesting that Libby was the one who gave him the boat.

I love that we got his entire backstory, or most of it in this episode. It was so heartbreaking. And it was very interesting that Libby gave him the boat. So we know that her name is Elizabeth and her husband died. I wonder if losing him caused her to need to be in the hospital.

So, we learned some things, Walt and Michael are reunited (though Michael's a putz)......but I have no idea what the hell the last 5 minutes meant.

I don't think Michael and Walt are going to get anywhere. I think the electromagnetic thing will ruin the compass. I really don't like Ms. Klugh. At all. I want to punch her in the face. Hard. And then push her into the ocean so the shark eats her. I suspect she's not supposed to be likeable. Or I'm just weird.

The Russian guys said "they missed it again". And then they call the Widmore chick (Penelope?), Desmond's girlfriend, to say they think they found him. I'm guessing they are referring to Desmond, but how do they know to search for an electromagnetic disturbance? If they know to look for such a disturbance, wouldn't they then presumably know that he was at the place that could cause such a disturbance?

Remember she said if you have enough money you can find anyone? So I bet she has a group of people at one of the poles looking for electromagnetic disturbances. He's been there for 4 years? Maybe her dad has something to do with the Dharma Inititative or Hanso.

Speaking of Hanso, the new website to visit is www.hansocareers.com.

Confused as hell. Intrigued, satisfied with the movement in the story and the answered questions, but definitely confused.

Very confused but very happy with this episode. And we don't know for sure that Locke and Eko are dead. They may be, but the island has odd healing powers.

ETA: Oh yeah....what the hell was the big foot thing?

DUDE! WEIRD!

And my other thoughts...

It appears that Henry Gale is the head of the group? He looked mighty displeased when he showed up.

[sleepyjeff]

ETA: Oh yeah....what the hell was the big foot thing?

The monster?

As for Desmonds love looking for him....when or how would she even know about the electromagnetic device; did I miss when or how she found out about it?

[Gn2Dlnd]

Widmore Labs, Widmore Construction.

[Stan4dSteph]

Widmore Labs, Widmore Construction.Exactly. Daddy Widmore was most likely involved in building the island. Penny probably discovered what he was up to and from there has spent a lot of time looking for Desmond. She found him once already, so we know she's a determined woman.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Kick ass episode! I knew they'd answer questions but come up with more to keep us going. They did not disappoint. :snap:

[scaeagles]

I read somewhere else that the guys in the frozen lab (who were apparently speaking Brazillian Portuguese....or so I've read) actually told her "We think we've found the island", not "We think we've found him".

With how Desmond couldn't find Fiji, I suppose it is a possibility that the Island isn't really an island, but some sort of giant floating thing.

As far as wondering what the "incident" was, I meant the original "incident". It had been hypothesized that the incident was made up to form the basis for the psychological experiment, but as the button really does do something, I would suspect that the incident was real.

[mousepod]

As I watched the full episode of Lost (always keeping an eye on the clock - I've been having to wake up at 4:30 for work this week) - a feeling of dread slowly began to creep up. It's still subtle, but it's one that I had during the first few episodes of season one. I'm not sure what exactly to call it, but it's something akin to the feeling I got around the 5th season of X-Files. I'm worried that there really is no "solution" to the show.
Perhaps there are answers - we get a couple of those every episode - but every 'answer' they reveal just raises more questions.
Am I entertained? Sure. But I expect answers. At some point. Really.
Whatever the mythology of the Lost Universe is, it better explain everything, and I mean everything.
I watched every single episode of the 9 seasons of X-Files (plus the movie, plus the spin-off series) and have yet to understand the full conspiracy-story arc - though I've read a few 'scholarly' fan interpretations.
All I'm saying is - there better be a bible for the scriptwriters of Lost.
(Oh - and I need to get some sleep.)

[Stan4dSteph]

True, but they can't answer all of the questions, or all we're left with is a bunch of people on an island. It'll be like, "okay now what do we do?"

The impression I get of the writers is that they have an arc thought out, and it evolves a bit. I also hope that Lost doesn't go the way of X-Files, but it's only the second season. I'm still enjoying the ride and haven't gotten cynical yet. :)

[Ghoulish Delight]

Abrams has explicitly promised not to pull an X-Files. He's said he has a full story arc in mind, and that it will play out in 5 seasons and 5 seasons only. I have no reason to doubt him.

[mousepod]

GD, I really hope you're right. Last week's EW article made me start to doubt (the emphasis is mine):

Lindelof and Cuse (who came aboard when co-creator J.J. Abrams left after Lost's seventh episode to direct Mission: Impossible III) began sussing out season 2 last spring by brainstorming the contents of the show's Pandora's box: the hatch, a quarantined bunker buried beneath the jungle. The producers always had some general ideas, but now they had specific names. Desmond. Alvar Hanso. Dr. Marvin Candle. The Dharma Initiative. And the button, a computer key that must be pushed every 108 minutes lest...something happen. ''When they pitched the button, my first reaction was 'No f---ing way!' And I mean that in a good way,'' says ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson, who denies rumors that the network mandated the hit series steer clear of the sci-fi side of the road. ''I'm constantly amazed by their imaginations.''
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Of course, another theory could explain why Lost is down about 200,000 viewers from last year (and it's not just because it now faces American Idol's results show): Some viewers may simply have reached ambiguity overload. Truth is, Lost has to be judicious about plot development. Lindelof and Cuse say they would love to write the drama knowing that it had an end point, ideally about five seasons. But Cuse believes the show can survive on character-driven redemption tales for years, and both he and Lindelof recognize that Lost must deliver the goods, however long it's on the air. ''The more I hear about disgruntled Americans who believe there never was an exit strategy for Iraq, the more I understand why they want to know that the story we're telling has a...well, an exit strategy,'' says Lindelof. ''If they can't get answers to mysteries in real life, they most definitely want answers on their TV sets on Wednesday nights. And they deserve them.''

[FEJ]

Rad episode. I agree with Mousepod, I do hope they can wrap it all up. I love when some of the answers create new questions, it makes the story progress. I just hope they don't get too spread out. I would love to see the organizational chart for the story lines. I was right that the magnetic force had something to do with the plane crash. I may have been off about them drugging themselves, but I do think they are all still part of a psychological experiment. All of them have some sort of weird trauma in their life and some connection to Hanso or Widmore. I wonder if now that Desmond "terminated" the magnetic source, I wonder if people's ailments will come back. (Rose's cancer, Locke unable to walk if he is still alive)
I think Penny Widmore knew that her dad had something to with Desmonds disappearance. Like she said, she has lots of money, and knew what to look for.


I think it was a great episode and just enough hook for the next season.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I think Penny Widmore knew that her dad had something to with Desmonds disappearance. Like she said, she has lots of money, and knew what to look for.Yeah. I'm thinking that she figured out that daddy had something to do with his disappearance. And then she either somehow found info about the Dharma project, or perhaps it was something she's always known about growing up, but was never allowed to know the exact location. So now she's hired Yakov and Smirnoff to monitor for it.

[BarTopDancer]

Ok, Kelvin.. Wasn't he the one interrogating Sayid in Iraq?

[scaeagles]

He interrogated Sayid in Iraq when Sayid was captured. His name is (was) Kelvin Inman. He isn't Kate's dad, but Kate's dad also had interaction with Sayid in the same flash back.

[BarTopDancer]

ooo OOO! LOOKIE (http://www.widmorelaboratories.com/)!!

This company made the pregnancy test that Sun took as well as being the logo on Henrys balloon.

And the fine print at the bottom says


Caution: This is a real site.
If this wasn't a real site you couldn't be here.
This site is also officially unofficial, whatever that means.
If you don't want your mind expanded beyond 27 diagonal inches,
you should leave immediately.

[katiesue]

I also started to worry after last nights episode that there isn't a "master plan/map" for the show. I had read the EW article and was surprised that they seemed to say they were making it up as they went along and would keep that up as long as the ratings where there.

Wouldn't it be better to have the general plan of the show mapped out with a set timeframe - say 3 seasons, which seems to me to be about how long good shows can stay good. You plan it out - after season 3 it's done, resolved. Then if it's all that popular you can have spin-offs. Maybe another show about the original "incident" or a show set in the 70's with the original people participating in the experiment.

I wasn't a fan of Alias but a good friend was obsessed, until that show went all wacky for a couple seasons. Then they had to sort of basically act like those seasons never happened and go back to the original premise. That's what makes me a little worried as well since that was an Abrams project too.

[mousepod]

I am going into the summer break with the "implanted memories" theory unsullied.

[Ghoulish Delight]

He interrogated Sayid in Iraq when Sayid was captured. His name is (was) Kelvin Inman. He isn't Kate's dad, but Kate's dad also had interaction with Sayid in the same flash back.
THAT'S who that was. Thanks.

[BarTopDancer]

Want to work for the Hanso Foundation (http://www.hansocareers.com/)? Powered by Monster

They have positions in
Denmark
ICELAND
N. Korea
Tanzania
CA - Santa Barbara

[scaeagles]

One other question....what was that bird thing? It looked like it was made out of plants. Another thing about the date of 9/22/2004....that was the date the pilot episode aired.

[FEJ]

Want to work for the Hanso Foundation (http://www.hansocareers.com/)? Powered by Monster

They have positions in
Denmark
ICELAND
N. Korea
Tanzania
CA - Santa Barbara

I see your train of thought with that, and would tend to agree, but the freezing arctic climate was more like Greenland (http://www.greenland-guide.gl/), Iceland (http://www.icelandtouristboard.com/) is actually a lot greener and more temperate. (Named contrasting to throw off invaders).
I really think that Penelope is trying to undermine her dad. (Persephone perhaps?)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

One other question....what was that bird thing? It looked like it was made out of plants. Another thing about the date of 9/22/2004....that was the date the pilot episode aired.Yup, they're sticking to their guns on the date. The first few episodes had references to the current day and they can't waver from that.

The behind-the-scenes stuff on the first season DVD was very straight-forward about "we wrote the whole arc already" and the 5-season plan. It was very reassuring and I recommend everyone rent that.

I'm glad you guys are either catching the connections or reading them elsewhere (like Kelvin), because I'm so bad with the names :)

Summer means time to catch up on DVD watching before LOST comes back on!

[FEJ]

If you really need to find names, dates, or anything to do with LOST I suggest you check out LOSTpedia (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page)

[FEJ]

ooo OOO! LOOKIE (http://www.widmorelaboratories.com/)!!

This company made the pregnancy test that Sun took as well as being the logo on Henrys balloon.

And the fine print at the bottom says


Caution: This is a real site.
If this wasn't a real site you couldn't be here.
This site is also officially unofficial, whatever that means.
If you don't want your mind expanded beyond 27 diagonal inches,
you should leave immediately.


Meaning that yes, it is a real website, but not put on by the official LOST people and not part of the official story or game.

[JWBear]

A couple of points:

The scientists at the end where speaking Portugese.

I do not think the magnetic force was the direct cause of the plane crash, as planes are made from aluminium.

I also don't think the healing affect will go away now. I don't think there is a connection. Darma has several projects (including life extension and nanotech), Magnetism was only one of them.

The Other's village is a stage set (as is most of the island, I suspect). It was only dressed and peopled for Michael's benefit.

Libby's dead husband had the same name as Hurley's imaginary pal.

I think Eko & Locke escaped the hatch. Charlie was surprised that they weren't at the beach; leading me to think that he saw them get out in time.

[FEJ]

said some good points


I agree, and didn't think much of Charlie's comment until now. It could also be part of the big conspiracy theory that that the plane crashed on the same day that Desmond was away from the button. Serendipitous, if you may. All things surround Widmore/Hanso and everyone has some sort of connection.

[katiesue]

And what's Michael's deal? Who would kill two peope and give up four others to get their kid back. Yes you want your kid back but that's way way extreme. Especially since he really only got Walt back right before the crash.

What happened to Desmond after he turned the switch?

I liked that all the notebooks just went to some random pile in the jungle, although the were quite well preserved for having been sitting out in the elements. So was the observation of the other experiments yet another experiment in itself? There was a camara visible in the hatch.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I do not think the magnetic force was the direct cause of the plane crash, as planes are made from aluminium.A lot of things were attracted by the magnet that I'm willing to bet wouldn't be attracted in real life. I think they're going wide on that interpretation. Besides, structural parts of the plane must have some steel in them, right?

Speaking of magnetism, Eko's cross did not react to the magnet, although it's been attracted before. I think it was a continuity error.

I wonder what it would be like for a person in an extreme magenetic field. Would you feel nothing, as Eko and Locke seemed to in the last moments?

Good catch on the Portuegese - I noticed it the "por favor" variation while watching it but completely forgot it today :rolleyes:

[Ghoulish Delight]

I liked that all the notebooks just went to some random pile in the jungle, although the were quite well preserved for having been sitting out in the elements.Well, they were sealed in their little pneumatic tubes (I'm still annoyed that that piece of paper made it through the pneumatics...that ain't how they work).

So was the observation of the other experiments yet another experiment in itself? There was a camara visible in the hatch.I've assumed as much from the moment they found the Pearl.

[scaeagles]

I wonder what it would be like for a person in an extreme magenetic field.

I suppose this one goes a bit beyond the standard MRI.

[JWBear]

Besides, structural parts of the plane must have some steel in them, right?
No. Too heavy. Most airplanes are aluminium and non-metal composites.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Yes, but a major EMI pulse could easily knock out a plane's flight control systems.

[JWBear]

Yes, but a major EMI pulse could easily knock out a plane's flight control systems.
True, but rewatch the pilot episode. Something grabbed hold of the plane, then it was torn apart.

There's also the little detail of anyone surviving a fall from 30,000 feet, let alone 50-60 people. It wasn't pulled down, it was lowered.

[scaeagles]

Are you going with some sort of tractor beam theory?

[JWBear]

Are you going with some sort of tractor beam theory?
No. Nanotech smoke monster. (Seeing that in print makes "tractor beam" seem oh so much more plausable!)

We know that Dharma has a nanotech project. We heard the Smoke Monster sound when the plane was breaking up. <shrug> Only the writers know for sure.

[scaeagles]

There is the pilot episode in which you see the (or at least a) smoke monster attack the wreckage of the plane and make an engine explode. I've seen clips of it many times. So....perhaps.

That is one disppointment i have about the finale. Nothing on the origins of the monster(s) and what it (they) is (are).

[JWBear]

One theory I heard was that the smoke monster responds to the electromagnetic thingy. The stronger the magnetic field, the stronger the smoke monster is. Works for me.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I loved it. Great, great finale. Exciting and fun and it answered some questions, especially the one about the button - it has a function (or, well...it did).

I'm also in love with Desmond, so it's too bad he's (probably) dead. He and GITH ("Henry Gale") are fantastic characters. Loved Locke's journey this season but I hope for a renewal of some of his earlier island energy/spark, assuming he's still alive. Hatck Eko isn't as interesting as Tree Eko, so I hope they resolve that somehow.

Charlie's amnesia (or lie) really through me. My friend at work wonders if Charlie has been compromised somehow. It didn't seem like he was lying so much as completely oblivious to the hatch's demise. Assuming it is, in fact, wreckage.

And we don't really know what happened when the key was turned. Was it an explosion? An electrical charge? A reset button? WHAT WAS IT? THE BLINDING LIGHT IN THE SKY?!?!?!

I'd say Penelope's father is definietly a part of Hanso, and that's a) how he was able to strand Desmond on the island and b) how Penelope would know something like this might have happened, so she'd have some idea of where to look...."Greetings from...Some Island!" (I love www.televisionwithoutpity.com)

Libby. So. Hmm. Part of Hanso, as well? Cause I'm inclined to think yes. Also, who's this "Dave" husband? Is that Hurley's imaginary friend, or what?

LOVED the return of army man Clancey Brown. As soon as I saw him I said to my roommate, "He must have left the army and joined the Dharma initiative." I just had a feeling he wasn't a randomly stranded person, like so many others.

Weird Crete-like, Greek sculptures. The comment that really through me was Sayid's "I don't know which is stranger, that so much of the statue is missing, or that it only has 4 toes." I mean, I suppose it could be a mythological creature, but it was certainly humanoid. Maybe they've landed on Simpsons Island!

Or maybe Lost is just a GIANT ad for Scientology, and we're all being brainwashed to believe that we're descended from an alient race of humanoids who only had 4 digits.

So, will Michael and Walt really be rescued? All that to do about how special Walt is, makes me think they're being tricked. Then again, maybe they just need Walt gone, cause kids age fast, grow tall, and only 2 months (give or take) are supposed to have passed. I assuem Michael will return to help his friends as a last ditch effort to redeem himself. Kills two people AND leads them into a trap within a trap? I'm not sure it's possible to be redeemed, the f*!ker.

I think Jack, Kate and Sawyer have a plan! Or, they look upon each other's faces as they would the sun...and squint.

LOVE that Desmond is responsible for the plane crash and I have to wonder now whether (all character connections/coincidences aside) the crash wasn't part of Dharm's plan. Wrench in the works! Wrench in the works!

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm thinking Walt, who has seen whatthe Others really are, and got a good look at his friends tied with guns at their heads will convince/force Michael to turn back.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm thinking Walt, who has seen whatthe Others really are, and got a good look at his friends tied with guns at their heads will convince/force Michael to turn back.

I'm hoping Michael has already make that decision, otherwise he really does deserve to have his neck crushed in by Jack's manly foot.

How do you think they'll handle kid actor Walt's aging on the show? I imagine it will pose a problem.

[Ghoulish Delight]

How do you think they'll handle kid actor Walt's aging on the show? I imagine it will pose a problem.So far, it seems they're going with the "ignore it" route. I guess they hoped that he was gone so long people wouldn't really notice the difference. And they've been sticking to really quick and dark shots of him.

But they can't get away with that much longer.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

So far, it seems they're going with the "ignore it" route. I guess they hoped that he was gone so long people wouldn't really notice the difference. And they've been sticking to really quick and dark shots of him.

But they can't get away with that much longer.

A couple of people I know actually think they did something to alter his voice, to make it sound younger. I didn't notice a change. He sounded like the same whiney Walt to me.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I noticed that ALL the shots of Walt in the finale did not have him in an easily comparable height position with anyone else. Michael hugged him and it looked kind of as if Michael was lifting him off the ground (even though he wasn't). Shots were of Walt's face only most of the time. I think they may have even worked some trickery when you see them standing next to each other in the boat....may have to watch that again.

I'm rooting for Walt to not only convince Michael (who is a fcking puss) to turn back, but to use Spooky Mind Powers to blow Michael's head to smithereens.

I loved the part where the away team learns of Michael's treachery - great acting. I was not only enjoying the amazing tension, I was saying "Kill him, KILL HIM" over and over. Too bad they didn't. F'n Michael, the least likable character. I swear, I like the Others better.

[Stan4dSteph]

When Jack and Kate had their meaningful look on the dock, I thought for a minute they were going to bust out in some kind of kick-ass kung fu or something. Oh well.

[Capt Jack]

I was not only enjoying the amazing tension, I was saying "Kill him, KILL HIM" over and over. Too bad they didn't. F'n Michael, the least likable character. I swear, I like the Others better.

I sooo wanted Hurley to just go totally WWF on his ass. He may still.

[sleepyjeff]

When Jack and Kate had their meaningful look on the dock, I thought for a minute they were going to bust out in some kind of kick-ass kung fu or something. Oh well.

Maybe they really wanted to be captured and taken back to the others camp....they looked to me like they were confirming with each other a pre-aranged plan(which may even include Micheal:eek: )

[FEJ]

..."Greetings from...Some Island!" (I love www.televisionwithoutpity.com)



"In Soviet Russia, chess plays you."


I found this hilarious...in a real dumb way... I love TWOP also.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Portugese?!? I call Bullsh!t!

These were 2 guys, on a frozen boat in the middle of nowhere, hired to do some covert job, playing chess, and speaking a foreign language. For it to be anything other than Russian goes against all that television, movies, and cartoons hold to be true!

Portugese :rolleyes:

[Stan4dSteph]

"In Soviet Russia, chess plays you."


I found this hilarious...in a real dumb way... I love TWOP also.Me too! :) I was really tempted to get the Dharma shirt.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

(I love www.televisionwithoutpity.com)Damn, I wandered over and may end up stuck there...awesome site.

[JWBear]

... I love TWOP also.
So do I. I've been lurking there for years. They have a great TAR community.

[BarTopDancer]

Some of the stuff I catch, some of it my co-workers catch. Names come from whatever Lost site I come across first.

I think the snow dudes are working for Pen. I just thought it was interesting that Hanso has offices in different countries (including N. Korea... I wonder if Suns dad was part of the Hanso Foundation).

[BarTopDancer]

Jimmy Kimmel (http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/index.html) has an "interesting" guest scheduled for tonight—Hugh McIntyre from the HANSO Foundation!


I didn't see anyone else post this...The interview is up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN4_kXzqO9I) on youtube.

[Prudence]

Eeep! Maybe Michael's gone for good! (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/272592_tf203.html)

[Gn2Dlnd]

I don't buy it for one second. Waaay too much left untold about "special" Walt.

Unless Walt drowns his dad and comes back to the island alone.

He is "special."

[scaeagles]

I believe, due to the internet and the ease of which information about a show can be spread prior to the show airing, that misinformation is now a ploy used by producers of some shows - Lost being first and foremost among them.

24 must have the death of first born children in the contracts of those working the show, because info about that show is never leaked (at least not that I've ever heard). There is so much "official" stuff out there about Lost that I stopped reading it long ago because there was no way to know which pieces of the conflicting info was to be believed.

[JWBear]

My theory is that Walt isn't really on the boat.....

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I have a feeling that Walt will end up killing Michael, perhaps "accidentally". Anger Walt too much and he may not be able to control his powers. This would be a great way for Michael to get his due.

[katiesue]

Was it just me or did Walt have kind of an evil smile/look when he went away with Micheal on the boat?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Was it just me or did Walt have kind of an evil smile/look when he went away with Micheal on the boat?Hmm, I remember him looking at the forsaken Losties and seeming concerned for them.

[BarTopDancer]

New "commercials" are being run during the re-runs.

Tonights was
www.retrieversoftruth.com

About the site:
First impression... it's got a big ol Golden Retriever on the home page. It appears to be about canine clairvoyance. The doctors name is Dr. Vincent "Wally" Bole.

"It's not just that they're trying to talk to us, they're also listening... intently."
-- Dr. Vincent "Wally" Bolé, at a conference in Australia, 9/22/2005

[cirquelover]

My husband says Thanks BTD. He's been following all the web links they put up but we missed tonights episode. He's there now, guess I'll go check it out with him!

[Ghoulish Delight]

All of your questions answered...Randomly!! (http://www.lost-theory-generator.com/)

[scaeagles]

Too funny! I refreshed four or five, and I think I may have actually read things like that on a Lost board.

[lashbear]

Want to work for the Hanso Foundation (http://www.hansocareers.com/)? Powered by Monster

They have positions in
Denmark
ICELAND
N. Korea
Tanzania
CA - Santa Barbara


Sorry I'm so far behind, and I don;t want to read ahead in the thread BUT....

I like to check the HTML code for various sites, and if you go to http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ and select >View >Source amongst the HTML code you find the following website: http://www.rachelblake.com

It appears Ms Blake has travelled in both ICELAND and DENMARK (and the Italian Riviera) - OOer... that's where Hanso is recruiting ! !

If anyone has any secrets about this site, I'll be reading this far in the thread in about 4-5 weeks, I guess. :( Darn delays....

[RStar]

My problem is I got into Lost late. I watched the first season on DVD, but didn't want to then start in the middle of the second season. So now I got the 2nd one pre ordered and have to watch it real quick like before the 3rd starts, or I'll be recording the first few on DVR and getting caught up that way. Part of the charm of this show is talking to people about it the next day. I've been missing a lot of that!

I would down load it from iPod, but I want to watch it on my TV, not my puter.

[BarTopDancer]

I was having lunch with a co-worker today and he shared the theory that at the end of the last episode (where the guys said they found him), it wasn't due to the hatch melting down, but due to the book Desmond had containing a GPS system. If you remember, Penelope said never leave this book, always have it with you. This theory is based upon that she said that and it looks like she slipped something (gps) into the book.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

If you remember, Penelope said never leave this book, always have it with you. My memory says that Desmond was the one who decided to always have the book with him because he wanted to read it before he died. Penelope put the note in there because he always kept it with him.

[BarTopDancer]

My memory says that Desmond was the one who decided to always have the book with him because he wanted to read it before he died. Penelope put the note in there because he always kept it with him.

I re-watched it. You are right.