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PanTheMan
10-12-2005, 12:55 AM
Interesting stuff.... High Crimes?....Hmmmmm
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"Escalation of Rhetoric" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Iraq_Group)
"In September 2002, the White House was beginning a major press offensive designed to prove that Iraq had a robust nuclear weapons program. That campaign was meant to culminate in the president's Oct. 7 speech in Cincinnati."
Nephythys
10-12-2005, 06:54 AM
No link?

Come on :rolleyes:
scaeagles
10-12-2005, 07:26 AM
Well, Pan, anything that references the Downing Street Memo doesn't cut it with me. The "journalist" who reported disclosed it couldn't produce the original. Why?

"Well," the 'journalist' said (paraphrasing), "i rewrote it in my own words to make it more clear and destroyed the original."

Sorry. Can't take that seriously.

Debate could rage on about the yellow cake uranium. I think Wilson is a fraud and have documented why in the past. Others do not think so.

As well, and I have in the past, I could list the leading democrats who also believed the Saddam had WMD. They all said it during the Clinton administration, by the way. So again, I yawn.

I could also list the foreign intelligence services - including many who were against the invasion of Iraq - who told us he had WMD.

So....more of the same old rhetoric, same old things. I will never convince you, and you will never convince me. We've gone around this so many times on this board.

Yawn.
Ghoulish Delight
10-12-2005, 08:11 AM
Pan, if this is an article from somewhere, please remove the full text, provide a link, and quote a small portion.
Alex
10-12-2005, 08:26 AM
Looks like it came from here (or there's a common source):

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=White_House_Iraq_Group
sleepyjeff
10-12-2005, 09:29 AM
"SourceWatch is an encyclopedia of people, issues and groups shaping the public agenda."

From the bottom of their own website.

I think this alone discounts anything they have to say. They admit right here that they are attempting to "Shape" the public agenda. Not report...shape :rolleyes:
Ghoulish Delight
10-12-2005, 09:35 AM
"SourceWatch is an encyclopedia of people, issues and groups shaping the public agenda."

From the bottom of their own website.

I think this alone discounts anything they have to say. They admit right here that they are attempting to "Shape" the public agenda. Not report...shape :rolleyes:Are they saying THEY are attempting to do that, or that the entries in the encyclopedia are examples of people, issues, and groups trying to do that?
Ghoulish Delight
10-12-2005, 09:37 AM
Looks like it's the latter...

From their main page.

The nonprofit Center for Media and Democracy works to strengthen democracy by promoting media that are "of, by and for the people." Our projects include PR Watch (http://www.prwatch.org/cmd/prwatch.html), a quarterly investigative journal; five books (http://www.prwatch.org/books/index.html) by CMD staff; Spin of the Day (http://www.prwatch.org/spin), which offers daily reporting on spin and propaganda in the news; and SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/), a wiki-based investigative journalism resource to which anyone, including you, can contribute.

They report on spin.
Reaver
10-12-2005, 10:19 AM
Rewriting history, shaping legacies. Who needs facts?
PanTheMan
10-12-2005, 01:03 PM
Pan, if this is an article from somewhere, please remove the full text, provide a link, and quote a small portion.

Nice....What i posted was not an Article BUT if you go to "Wickapedia" and type in "White house Iraq Group" this is what you get.

Thanks for the Censorship!
Ghoulish Delight
10-12-2005, 01:35 PM
Nice....What i posted was not an Article BUT if you go to "Wickapedia" and type in "White house Iraq Group" this is what you get.

Thanks for the Censorship!Censorship? I provided a direct link to the material you were qouting and removed none of your own words.

If the material is not yours, and especially if it's more than a line or two, we prefer that you provide a link and quote a small portion. Copyright or no, you should be providing a link if the material is not your own. But beyond that, we neither want to tread anywhere close to copyright/plagerism lines nor is a post laden with extensive quoted material particularly easy to read. I would have allowed you to do your own editing, however by the time I saw the thread, it was beyond the window in which you were able to edit. If you'd like me to select a different excerpt from the material to quote in the post, I'd be happy to go back and do so.
Nephythys
10-12-2005, 02:18 PM
It's basic posting etiquitte- post a link to material you are providing.

Good grief-
Reaver
10-12-2005, 02:31 PM
lol. Good grief indeed...
PanTheMan
10-12-2005, 04:13 PM
Good greif... Welcome Charlie Brown and Lucy... Where ya been?

Back to the Momo- PLEASE go back and check the Link again. It now links to the proper site and not some biased think tank site...Thanks!
Nephythys
10-12-2005, 04:23 PM
Good greif... Welcome Charlie Brown and Lucy... Where ya been?

Back to the Momo- PLEASE go back and check the Link again. It now links to the proper site and not some biased think tank site...Thanks!

It is not worth responding to someone who seeks out opportunity to insult us. I don't find your comment funny- so if it was meant as such, it failed.

Why is it you could not just take responsibility? Instead you lash out at GD for "censorship" and you act like we are asking for something unreasonable. Posting a link to info you post should be a common practice- or are we just supposed to take what you say and assume it's accuracy and context, on what, trusting your word? Come on- no one here is above posting their links.
Reaver
10-12-2005, 05:00 PM
I like Snoopy better anyway.
sleepyjeff
10-12-2005, 07:30 PM
Looks like it's the latter...

From their main page.



They report on spin.

I stand corrected...I guess :blush:
Name
10-12-2005, 09:12 PM
Dude.... You've been slippin lately
sleepyjeff
10-12-2005, 10:06 PM
Just wait til next Spring when I get my Box Fan back;)
PanTheMan
10-12-2005, 11:32 PM
It is not worth responding to someone who seeks out opportunity to insult us. I don't find your comment funny- so if it was meant as such, it failed.

Why is it you could not just take responsibility? Instead you lash out at GD for "censorship" and you act like we are asking for something unreasonable. Posting a link to info you post should be a common practice- or are we just supposed to take what you say and assume it's accuracy and context, on what, trusting your word? Come on- no one here is above posting their links.


All has been fixed, but thanks for your concern.......My problem is, that when it was linked , it was linked to the wrong site, some think tank site with an obvious bias. I originally found what i posted on "Wickapedia" a neutral site. By linking it to a site with an obvious slant one way or the other, it kind of kills the meaning of it. I have no problem posting links, but as i have said before, I like to see what i am posting is several places before i bring it here to make sure i have an accurate story to back me up.

Also, it was changed "While i was out" so to speak, and when i returned, people had already begun to rip apart the site that it was linked to by a moderator, a site that i never visited. NOW it is linked to the site i got it from and all is good.
Nephythys
10-13-2005, 06:04 AM
Whatever.....
€uroMeinke
10-13-2005, 08:48 AM
Just a reminder that here in this lounge we like grove to the tunes of a lot of different cats. If you don’t dig their riffs, step outside for a bit or push the mute button with “ignore.” Keep the mojo good and this pad will keep swinging, there are other joints you can hang at if you can’t keep your cool.
PanTheMan
10-13-2005, 11:20 AM
Now, BACK to the MEMO-- Now that you have seen it linked to Several sites, you ca see it is real indeed. The White House Produced a group to propagandize and promote our invasion of Iraq, Label all ney-sayers as "Unamerican", and get the invastion "Done" at all cost. It was inportant the right link be provided because of the list of names and the last comment about labeling any ney-sayers.

One name is missing however, MICHAEL LEDINE, remember that name. It will be in the news very soon. He works in Cheneys office is is believed to be the person that may behing the Niger yellow cake documents. IF those turn out to be forged documents, traced to LEDINE, this could be the greatest crime ever commited by any administration, actually FAKING documents & Intelligence to justify a WAR.
sleepyjeff
10-13-2005, 01:07 PM
Who Hired Ledine?
Reaver
10-13-2005, 02:30 PM
I think it was the one-armed man!
Nephythys
10-13-2005, 02:45 PM
or Snoopy!
PanTheMan
10-13-2005, 04:23 PM
Who Hired Ledine?

I am not sure of his background or exact title, just that he works in the office of the V.P. That is as high as they have found the Niger memo to have gone, and if it turns out to be a forgery, someone is going to be in deep doo-doo...
PanTheMan
10-13-2005, 06:12 PM
or Snoopy!


It is not worth responding to someone who seeks out opportunity to insult us. I don't find your comment funny- so if it was meant as such, it failed.

WOW! lol

Whatever...
Nephythys
10-13-2005, 06:19 PM
WOW! lol


Dude- time to learn the difference between insults, and being ignored.
Name
10-13-2005, 06:26 PM
were there people talking in here????
PanTheMan
10-13-2005, 08:11 PM
well....there was....
Nephythys
10-14-2005, 06:35 AM
were there people talking in here????

wha? who?



Oh nothing......
PanTheMan
03-13-2008, 12:09 AM
Rewriting history, shaping legacies. Who needs facts?

A little trip down Memory lane.....

History has been written.
wendybeth
03-13-2008, 12:20 AM
Hey, Pan! What up?
cirquelover
03-13-2008, 10:05 AM
The problem I have is with wikipedia. I have taught my son to take everything on there with a grain of salt because anyone can edit the pages. Which takes away from the accuracy in my opinion.
PanTheMan
04-15-2008, 12:17 AM
Hey, Pan! What up?

Hello to you. Deebs tells me you guys all had a blast a few weeks ago! My next trip down in first week of May!

I am just reading over many of my old threads here and there. Too bad this one involving the memo about the Niger Yellow Cake never became anything, unless you count the fact Ledine worked side by side with Libby in forging the documents, outed a CIA agent, lied about Intel so we could invade Iraq, etc.... ;)

I should have written a book.
Everyone else did.
wendybeth
04-15-2008, 12:52 AM
I think everyone has pretty much come to the realization that our current regime is probably not the best we've had.

Who do/did you like for a presidential candidate, Pan?
JWBear
04-15-2008, 10:54 AM
I think everyone has pretty much come to the realization that our current regime is probably not the best we've had....

That's the understament of the year!