Chris Matthews: Gay Liberals are Suspects for Church Burnings

[Gemini Cricket]

MATTHEWS: Is there anything in the papers down there where a Baptist church has taken a position on some social issue, gay marriage, something that's hot, where that would have aroused somebody?

ATF AGENT CAVANAUGH: I haven't seen that Chris, but it's very viable because we had an arson at a Unitarian church in rural Virginia, back in the summer, and it was right after the church at a national level had embraced gay members. There was an attack on this church in Staunton (?), Virginia, so things like that can happen.

MATTHEWS: That's why I'm thinking like that because the more liberal churches would drive some people on the right crazy and maybe a more liberal person, who's gay for example, would feel that they've been terrorized by the beliefs of another church too. We don't know.
Source (http://openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/2006/02/matthews-says-maybe-liberals-and-gays.html)
(This link also leads to the video of this segment.)

Gay Liberal Arsonists... Is that what he's saying or am I reading into this?

Let's say for the sake of argument that the arsonist(s) are found and are gay, do they then represent all of us in the gay community?

I don't watch Chris Matthews' show but I've heard of him. He sounds like he's rather extreme...

:( :mad:

[Ghoulish Delight]

*Shrug* seems like a reasonable line of discussion. If the churches that have burned are ones that have been vocally anti-gay, then it stands to reason that some militant pro-gay whacko would have a motive.

[Gemini Cricket]

*Shrug* seems like a reasonable line of discussion. If the churches that have burned are ones that have been vocally anti-gay, then it stands to reason that some militant pro-gay whacko would have a motive.
What seems weird to me is that Matthews inserted 'liberal gays' into the conversation. You know, like we're known arsonists or something. He sounded like he was leading the interview in a certain direction, which op-ed news shows do.

[Nephythys]

No offense meant to you GC- but now you know how it feels for someone like me to be lumped in with people who bomb abortion clinics or shoot the doctors just because I am a pro-life Christian conservative.

[€uroMeinke]

Strangely enough - extremeists are found on all extremities.

I had some friends who were part of "Queer Nation" who had no qualms about conducting disruptive and potentially destructive activities to further their cause.

[innerSpaceman]

Interestingly, Chris seems either undetered by or uncomprehending of the ATF agent's statement that the arson motive seems to be anti-gay (i.e., gay-friendly churches burned) rather than liberal-gay-radical (where the burn motive would be gay-marriage-ban-preaching churches).

What a maroon!

[Alex]

Oh, you just had to go make it racial, didn't you?

[Nephythys]

Except that I think ISM is missing the point- he is referring to another church burning that anti-gay and Matthews is conjecturing that this is the opposite.

[innerSpaceman]

Well, then Chris is making a point not unlike the one that Christian fundies tend not to burn and riot to express outrage, whilst Muslim fundies do ... i.e., that gay-friendly churches have been burned (and homophobes are stereotypically violent haters) whilst anti-gay churches have not (and homosexuals are stereotypically peaceful lovers).

Chris is asking whether there have been any church burnings opposing the trend (which is anti-gay arson) and the ATF agent replies negatively. So was Matthews making a back-handed (or, in any event, rather muddled) gay compliment?

[Gemini Cricket]

There is no proof anywhere that these church burnings have anything to do with race, sexual orientation etc. So why does Matthews out of the blue surmise that it's the fault of gays and liberals? It makes no sense to me. I think he's doing it because he knows he can. It's an easy target. It's easy to pick on the gay community, it's a small community 10% or less of the population. No risk there...

I'm not saying that all gays are saints, but Matthews pulled his statement out of his a$s... He's also on the record as quoting Michael Savage's anti-gay statements about 'Brokeback' on air with Imus:
"The wonderful Michael Savage ... what's he call it? 'Bareback Mounting.' That's his name for the movie."
Source (http://mediamatters.org/items/200601200002)

Gee, this guy's a winner. I thought I left elementary school a long time ago...
;)

[€uroMeinke]

I suppose you could blame it on the Jews

[Prudence]

Maybe it was a lesbian left-handed albino midget Eskimo?

[Gemini Cricket]

Let's blame Clinton.
:D ;)

[scaeagles]

This is ridiculous! You can't let any political topic go without invoking the name of Clinton. He has nothing to do with wha.....oh, wait. That's not my line. That's the response to me. Sorry. Got confused. ;)

[€uroMeinke]

Now now lets not confuse the experience of burning sensations with burning down churches.

[lashbear]

Maybe some liberal radical faeries hair product just spontaneously combusted while they were in front of a church ?

[Scrooge McSam]

It's right there in the news story...

Cavanaugh said witnesses "on more than one occasion" have mentioned seeing two white men in a dark SUV near the church fires.

White people are to blame.

I've never been more ashamed.

Everyone of my neighbors knows I'm white. I think I'll go stand in the road and wait for the mob that's surely coming for me. I'd hate for them to burn down my house trying to get to me since I've done so much much work on it.

[MickeyLumbo]

i knew being a conservative homo would come in handy one day.

i don't even light my candles!

[Nephythys]

*snort* bwa wa ha ha :) Oh my-

[SacTown Chronic]

I hate white people.

[scaeagles]

I'm kind of a semi tan peachy color. Do you hate me?

[Nephythys]

do you taste like peach?

[scaeagles]

do you taste like peach?

I think I should avoid comment on that post.

[SacTown Chronic]

I'm kind of a semi tan peachy color. Do you hate me?
You mean pink? Bucky Katt would call you Pinky.

[Nephythys]

I think I should avoid comment on that post.

chicken:D

[€uroMeinke]

chicken:D

As in, "tastes like...?"

[sleepyjeff]

Let's blame Clinton.
:D ;)

Now now; I believe Matthews was a Carter guy;)

[Nephythys]

As in, "tastes like...?"



yummm, peachy chicken:p

[Gemini Cricket]

Now now; I believe Matthews was a Carter guy;)
Carter, Clinton... all Democrats are the same, right?
:D

I drip with sarcasm.

[Scrooge McSam]

Now now; I believe Matthews was a Carter guy;)

But now that his money is coming from GE, war profiteer, his story has changed.

I used to wear longer hair before the styles changed.

Zell Miller still calls himself a Democrat.

What's your point?

[lashbear]

yummm, peachy chicken:p

Or, for a particular president, IMpeachy chicken. :D

[Gemini Cricket]

Or, for a particular president, IMpeachy chicken. :D
If only...
:)

[sleepyjeff]

But now that his money is coming from GE, war profiteer, his story has changed.

I used to wear longer hair before the styles changed.

Zell Miller still calls himself a Democrat.

What's your point?

No real point(thus the ;) )....but if you watch his show regularly you will find that he is mostly an anti-Bush liberal who stings the left every so often just to make it look like he is an objective journalist.....which he is not. :)

[Nephythys]

Or, for a particular president, IMpeachy chicken. :D


Oh, you guys want President Cheney;) Cool

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh, you guys want President Cheney;) CoolEh, he'll follow right behind for ordering the leak of Plame's name.

[Gemini Cricket]

Seems like they found who burned those churches.
Three Birmingham college students were arrested and charged Wednesday in connection with a string of Alabama church fires that is described in court papers as a joke that "got out of hand," authorities said.
The students -- Ben Moseley and Russell DeBusk, both 19, and Matthew Lee Cloyd, 20 -- are suspected in nine of the 10 fires last month.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/alabama.churches/)

[Ghoulish Delight]

These kids have something seriously wrong in their heads. 1) Setting fire to the first church was "a joke". 2) Setting fire to the other 9 churches was their way of "throwing investigators off the trail. Umm, yeah, repeting a crime over and over so as to give investigators as much chance of finding evidence as possible is a great diversionary tactic. Yikes.

[flippyshark]

But were they gay?!?

[SzczerbiakManiac]

They will effectively be gay once they're in prison.

[Scrooge McSam]

These kids have something seriously wrong in their heads. 1) Setting fire to the first church was "a joke". 2) Setting fire to the other 9 churches was their way of "throwing investigators off the trail. Umm, yeah, repeting a crime over and over so as to give investigators as much chance of finding evidence as possible is a great diversionary tactic. Yikes.

Thank God I'm not the only one. I read that story 3 times at first thinking "surely I'm missing something".

[Not Afraid]

They will effectively be gay once they're in prison.

Either that or "experienced".

[JWBear]

Either that or "experienced".
One should always be open to new experiences....

[Gemini Cricket]

One should always be open to new experiences....
Or opened by a new experience.
:evil:

[SacTown Chronic]

They will effectively be gay once they're in prison.
Whoa! Since when does getting pounded in the *** make a person gay? I mean, c'mon, if that's the criteria then we're all gay. Right?

Right?

[MickeyLumbo]

oh lordy.

ixnay on the oundingpay:rolleyes: