Chris Matthews: Gay Liberals are Suspects for Church Burnings

Gemini Cricket · 02-08-2006, 04:21 PM

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MATTHEWS: Is there anything in the papers down there where a Baptist church has taken a position on some social issue, gay marriage, something that's hot, where that would have aroused somebody?

ATF AGENT CAVANAUGH: I haven't seen that Chris, but it's very viable because we had an arson at a Unitarian church in rural Virginia, back in the summer, and it was right after the church at a national level had embraced gay members. There was an attack on this church in Staunton (?), Virginia, so things like that can happen.

MATTHEWS: That's why I'm thinking like that because the more liberal churches would drive some people on the right crazy and maybe a more liberal person, who's gay for example, would feel that they've been terrorized by the beliefs of another church too. We don't know.

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Gay Liberal Arsonists... Is that what he's saying or am I reading into this?

Let's say for the sake of argument that the arsonist(s) are found and are gay, do they then represent all of us in the gay community?

I don't watch Chris Matthews' show but I've heard of him. He sounds like he's rather extreme...

Ghoulish Delight · 02-08-2006, 04:26 PM

*Shrug* seems like a reasonable line of discussion. If the churches that have burned are ones that have been vocally anti-gay, then it stands to reason that some militant pro-gay whacko would have a motive.

Gemini Cricket · 02-08-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

*Shrug* seems like a reasonable line of discussion. If the churches that have burned are ones that have been vocally anti-gay, then it stands to reason that some militant pro-gay whacko would have a motive.

What seems weird to me is that Matthews inserted 'liberal gays' into the conversation. You know, like we're known arsonists or something. He sounded like he was leading the interview in a certain direction, which op-ed news shows do.

Nephythys · 02-08-2006, 04:35 PM

No offense meant to you GC- but now you know how it feels for someone like me to be lumped in with people who bomb abortion clinics or shoot the doctors just because I am a pro-life Christian conservative.

€uroMeinke · 02-08-2006, 04:40 PM

Strangely enough - extremeists are found on all extremities.

I had some friends who were part of "Queer Nation" who had no qualms about conducting disruptive and potentially destructive activities to further their cause.

innerSpaceman · 02-08-2006, 05:26 PM

Interestingly, Chris seems either undetered by or uncomprehending of the ATF agent's statement that the arson motive seems to be anti-gay (i.e., gay-friendly churches burned) rather than liberal-gay-radical (where the burn motive would be gay-marriage-ban-preaching churches).

What a maroon!

Alex · 02-08-2006, 05:30 PM

Oh, you just had to go make it racial, didn't you?

Nephythys · 02-08-2006, 05:42 PM

Except that I think ISM is missing the point- he is referring to another church burning that anti-gay and Matthews is conjecturing that this is the opposite.

innerSpaceman · 02-08-2006, 05:49 PM

Well, then Chris is making a point not unlike the one that Christian fundies tend not to burn and riot to express outrage, whilst Muslim fundies do ... i.e., that gay-friendly churches have been burned (and homophobes are stereotypically violent haters) whilst anti-gay churches have not (and homosexuals are stereotypically peaceful lovers).

Chris is asking whether there have been any church burnings opposing the trend (which is anti-gay arson) and the ATF agent replies negatively. So was Matthews making a back-handed (or, in any event, rather muddled) gay compliment?

Gemini Cricket · 02-08-2006, 06:42 PM

There is no proof anywhere that these church burnings have anything to do with race, sexual orientation etc. So why does Matthews out of the blue surmise that it's the fault of gays and liberals? It makes no sense to me. I think he's doing it because he knows he can. It's an easy target. It's easy to pick on the gay community, it's a small community 10% or less of the population. No risk there...

I'm not saying that all gays are saints, but Matthews pulled his statement out of his a$s... He's also on the record as quoting Michael Savage's anti-gay statements about 'Brokeback' on air with Imus:

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"The wonderful Michael Savage ... what's he call it? 'Bareback Mounting.' That's his name for the movie."

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Gee, this guy's a winner. I thought I left elementary school a long time ago...

02-08-2006, 04:26 PM	#2
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Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	No offense meant to you GC- but now you know how it feels for someone like me to be lumped in with people who bomb abortion clinics or shoot the doctors just because I am a pro-life Christian conservative.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	Strangely enough - extremeists are found on all extremities. I had some friends who were part of "Queer Nation" who had no qualms about conducting disruptive and potentially destructive activities to further their cause. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Interestingly, Chris seems either undetered by or uncomprehending of the ATF agent's statement that the arson motive seems to be anti-gay (i.e., gay-friendly churches burned) rather than liberal-gay-radical (where the burn motive would be gay-marriage-ban-preaching churches). What a maroon!
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Oh, you just had to go make it racial, didn't you?
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02-08-2006, 05:42 PM	#8
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	Except that I think ISM is missing the point- he is referring to another church burning that anti-gay and Matthews is conjecturing that this is the opposite.
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02-08-2006, 05:49 PM	#9
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, then Chris is making a point not unlike the one that Christian fundies tend not to burn and riot to express outrage, whilst Muslim fundies do ... i.e., that gay-friendly churches have been burned (and homophobes are stereotypically violent haters) whilst anti-gay churches have not (and homosexuals are stereotypically peaceful lovers). Chris is asking whether there have been any church burnings opposing the trend (which is anti-gay arson) and the ATF agent replies negatively. So was Matthews making a back-handed (or, in any event, rather muddled) gay compliment?
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