Lost season three - right around the corner

[sleepyjeff]

Interesting theories, but might be reaching a bit far. They've established several times that the others have tons of info on everyone. The John Locke he "knew" could easily refer to him having seen whatever files they have.

The fence may have left him not quite dead, left to be healed by the island.

The end of the Paulo/Nikki episode established that Sawyer did know them, he was just being an obtuse ass.


True, he could have "known" Locke thru the files alone I suppose....but the way he put it seemed to me that he knew Locke personally.

You are right about the fence....when Kate crossed over she even hesitated, almost like she thought the Russian may still be breathing. That, and when he appeared in this last episode, it has been pointed out to me that his ears were still reddish. So, I guess it is very possible that he faked his death at the barrier. Question still remains though....why fake death? why at the barrier? and, how did he know Locke was going to push him into the field?

As for Sawyer......I think his not knowing who they were was genuine at first and stubborn after he was told. Yes, in the end he called them by their names out of respect but I didn't see anything that convinced me that he knew for sure what their names were all along.....it was left up to viewer interpretation I believe(so many things are on LOST as this gives the writers more avenues).

[Ghoulish Delight]

Awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome episode. Awesome.

Just brilliantly constructed. From the parallel to Sawyer's back story (being convinced he's been given the info and opportunity to kill someone he wants to kill only to find out that he was led on for his informants own purposes...with, of course, the extra twist at the end) to the perfectly executed ambiguity of who exactly Locke had tied up.

The moment Locke uttered "No one can hear you," I instantly thought, "Okay, they want us to think it's his dad, but it's going to turn out to be Ben." I rolled my eyes at that. But then they showed their hand early with Locke saying it was Ben. THEN I got interested, because now I could see it going either way. Was John really going to make Sawyer relive his sin to the letter? "It's Ben, kill him! Psych, it was my dad!" Did he really have Ben? Or will we find out that the John's-Dad-is-Tom-Sawyer theory is true and the Ben story was just because Sawyer wouldn't have believed it any other way.

As it got closer it got more obvious, already having the better than sneaking suspicion that Tom Sawyer and Locke's dad were one and the same. But it was still pulled off well enough that until that hood came of, some doubt remained.

So, what do you think, does that count for John? Having him killed rather than killing him himself? Will the island accept that as his sacrifice?

[thecorndogwalker]

Excellent freaking episode... So into the show again....

[JWBear]

Someone needs to shoot Kate. What a useless waste of oxygen.

Sayid is still the only person on the island with a brain.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Kate sucks. But Evangeline is hot, so I'll let her live. Sayid flat out rules. Locke. I love Locke. I think he gets it better than anyone. Do what needs to be done. Do your best to do right by those who do right by you, but don't let sentimentality, assumptions, or loyalty cloud you from finding answers.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

What GD said, plus.....

I love Sayiid. LOVE! :D Every time he gets involved, I sit up and pay extra attention. His character is just fantastic.

[JWBear]

...I love Locke. I think he gets it better than anyone. Do what needs to be done. Do your best to do right by those who do right by you, but don't let sentimentality, assumptions, or loyalty cloud you from finding answers.
He just needs to stop being so bloody gullible and boneheaded.

[Ghoulish Delight]

He just needs to stop being so bloody gullible and boneheaded.
Perhaps. But I think he's on to something. I think he's decided that he knows he's being lead on, but he doesn't care. If it means getting more info, even at the cost of getting "suckered", it's worth it.

[thecorndogwalker]

please have a sayid ep before the season ends....

[scaeagles]

Love Sayid. Everything about the character.

I go back and forth on Locke. His character is tragic, but moves forward based on faith, seemingly wanting to believe the best about people in spite of being played over and over. That's what makes me like and dislike his character - he's easily manipulated, but is easily manipulated because he wants to believe the best about people.

[Betty]

Seems like the others really want someone else to follow... and the preview make me think that Ben might be feeling a bit more threatened by Locke. Wonder what he was referring to with the - are you sure you really want to do that - comment? And Locke almost smiled - and I hoped he thought that Ben was trying to manipulate him again and do it anyway.

Great episode though.

Sayid was so skeptical until he saw that radio.

and just what was Jack referring to when he said not to tell Kate yet. Tell her what yet? Ack!

Also - do you really think Locke's Dad was up to something with his comments that it wasn't really an island. Was there soemthign more to that then the hell reference?

[Stan4dSteph]

and just what was Jack referring to when he said not to tell Kate yet. Tell her what yet? Ack!I thought the same thing. I wonder if they know something about communications that they're not telling?
Also - do you really think Locke's Dad was up to something with his comments that it wasn't really an island. Was there soemthign more to that then the hell reference?I don't think his Dad knew anything, I think he just thought he was in hell due to what he was seeing and experiencing. He was in a car accident, then loaded in an ambulance and woke up to the sight of his son, who he thought was dead.

I still think Dharma rigged up a fake crash site to throw people off the scent of rescue.

And Locke is a selfish prick.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Sayid was so skeptical until he saw that radio.And rightly so.


and just what was Jack referring to when he said not to tell Kate yet. Tell her what yet? Ack!My guess is something about pregnancy.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Kate sucks. But Evangeline is hot, so I'll let her live. Sayid flat out rules. Locke. I love Locke. I think he gets it better than anyone. Do what needs to be done. Do your best to do right by those who do right by you, but don't let sentimentality, assumptions, or loyalty cloud you from finding answers.

Another eloquent DITTO.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

And rightly so.

My guess is something about pregnancy.

Ah, see, my guess was that Juliet let Jack in on her communications with Ben, and that she's not actually planning on screwing over the Lost-ers. But maybe I'm just being very, very naive.

I really, really enjoyed the episode. Ben. Locke. And next week I think is a Ben episode. Ben flashbacks! Can't wait.

[sleepyjeff]

He just needs to stop being so bloody gullible and boneheaded.



Sayid was so skeptical until he saw that radio.

and just what was Jack referring to when he said not to tell Kate yet. Tell her what yet? Ack!


These things are all connected I believe..........Jack and Juliet are up to something, a double cross against Ben I believe. Ben wants to capture all the pregnant women among the losties; what better way to capture them than to make them think they are being rescued? This is why Jack and Juliet were so worried about Naomi and her phone(they know it is a trap).

But....Ben knows that they know and using our loveable but gullible Locke Ben "accidently" leaves the tape recorder so Locke can steal it and give it to Sawyer. Thus discrediting Jack and Juliet so the plan can move forward.

As for Sayid.....his initial reaction to Naomi was that she was lying; has he ever been wrong about his initial reactions?

[libraryvixen]

I wanted to smack Kate when she ran to Jack to tell him about Sanjaya... oh I mean the woman who fell out of the tree. (she looked like Sanjaya when they first took the helmet off of her)

[sleepyjeff]

I wanted to smack Kate when she ran to Jack to tell him about Sanjaya(Naomi)...

Me too....but now that I have given it more thought I think Kate's concern is important. She is worried that no one will trust Jack when it really matters....and she is probably right.

[sleepyjeff]

I really, really enjoyed the episode. Ben. Locke. And next week I think is a Ben episode. Ben flashbacks! Can't wait.

Wait....are we not due for another Jack centered episode:rolleyes: ?

I am very excited to see what makes Ben tick.....what better way than a Ben Flashback episode. My one worry though......the evening will probably end with about 4 dozen new questions to every one answered:mad: .

Oh well, I still can't wait to see it:)

[BarTopDancer]

Did anyone else notice the flight attendant and kids who were kidnapped last season (or was it season 1)?

They were in the Others camp-town when Locke walked by after he wouldn't kill his father.

[sleepyjeff]

Did anyone else notice the flight attendant and kids who were kidnapped last season (or was it season 1)?

They were in the Others camp-town when Locke walked by after he wouldn't kill his father.

Yep. I hope sooner or later we get a Cindy flashback show....might be a short show though as I think her brain has been mostly wiped;)

[thecorndogwalker]

only 48 more episodes left....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070507/en_nm/lost_dc

[Ghoulish Delight]

Okay, I'm glad there's a defined end date...but 48?! 3 seasons? Ugh.

[sleepyjeff]

..and they say we will understand why it can't be more than 48 by the end of this season????

By my reckoning 48 more days will put our Losties, time wise, in early to mid Jan. of 2005. Anything news worthy happen at that time?

[Ghoulish Delight]

..and they say we will understand why it can't be more than 48 by the end of this season????

By my reckoning 48 more days will put our Losties, time wise, in early to mid Jan. of 2005. Anything news worthy happen at that time?
Is each episode one full day?

[Stan4dSteph]

Is each episode one full day?Not necessarily.

[sleepyjeff]

Is each episode one full day?

More or less.

[sleepyjeff]

More or less.


I looked into it some more. I guess, on average, each episode is about 1.3 days. That would push our Losties into late, late Jan. 2005 or early Feb. 2005 for the series finale.

[thecorndogwalker]

..and they say we will understand why it can't be more than 48 by the end of this season????

By my reckoning 48 more days will put our Losties, time wise, in early to mid Jan. of 2005. Anything news worthy happen at that time?

Yikes, didnt this site get created at that time? Oh we are all LOST...

[BarTopDancer]

Yikes, didnt this site get created at that time? Oh we are all LOST...

No - there have been clues throughout the show that puts the time frame right around 9/11.

[Ghoulish Delight]

No - there have been clues throughout the show that puts the time frame right around 9/11.He meant that the LoT was created in January of '05.

[sleepyjeff]

No - there have been clues throughout the show that puts the time frame right around 9/11.


The LOST crashed on the Island(if it is, indeed, an Island) on September 22, 2004. The 9/11(01) reference is to the date that Juliet came to the Island....although most self proclaimed Lost experts actually place her arrival a few days earlier(9/06/01). It is open to debate, however.

[BarTopDancer]

He meant that the LoT was created in January
of '05.

Opps. Posting at work and all..

The LOST crashed on the Island(if it is, indeed, an Island) on September 22, 2004. The 9/11(01) reference is to the date that Juliet came to the Island....although most self proclaimed Lost experts actually place her arrival a few days earlier(9/06/01). It is open to debate, however.

Ah yes. I remember that now.

[scaeagles]

Blink.

OK....weird. And I certainly did not see that end coming.

I did find the whole thing with how Dharma was eliminated to be interesting, though. But Jacob....that was weird.

[BarTopDancer]

That was an amazing episode.

Very very strange and interesting. Felt sorry for Ben and his dad. Roger was in the back of the van that Hurley, Jin and Sawyer drove down the hill.

Now we know what happened to Dharma - but now who are the Others?
Anyone notice the sub in the background when they showed Ben coming to the island? It was Dharmas.

Was not expecting that ending at all. That cabin was very interesting...and weird. It seemed that Ben was locking the cabin when he left. Maybe he's holding "Jacob" captive? And what Ben said to Locke - about Jacob helping him now. I don't think we've seen the last of Locke.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Lazlo!

[libraryvixen]

Anyone seen Napoleon Dynamite?

Ben's dad is played by Uncle Rico...and they just substituted Roger's love of beer for Uncle Rico's love of steak.

Also, if the lantern started that fire, how is it that Ben just happened to hang the lantern back up and the fire just went away?

[sleepyjeff]

Many many new questions and once again we are fooled into thinking we got a lot of new answers when we really didn't.

Still don't know who Jacob is. And now we have the new question as to why Ben can only see him and Locke can only hear him???

How did Ben become Richards boss.....and how did Richard not age a day over what has got to be at least 25 years?

Still don't know what the Dharma people were doing there.

What's up with Portland(and I don't mean their liberal city council either;))? Ben was born just outside of Portland and this is also where Juliet was supposed to go when she was recruited........why?

One question was answered for me tonite but I figured it out of next weeks preview.

For those who don't watch the previews I put this in a spoiler...even though what I have to say is just conjecture anyway.

I think I know what Rousuau was doing with the dynomite...........getting it for Jack;)

[thecorndogwalker]

It was a typical bizarre episode yesterday, (one that really made you empathize with Ben's character) sort of...

-I have to admit that scene in Jacob's house was a little spooky.

-Now wasnt that guy who Little Ben met in the jungle after he turned off the pylon the same guy he is with now? That guy doesnt seem to age?
It makes me think something that someone wrote a couple of posts back about time travel on the island?

-I dont think this is the last of Locke. I hope not.. I actually like his character.

-So I guess Desmond was already on the island when the Dharma was sprayed... I remember in Desmonds first flashback last season that he and his bunkmate were paranoid about not leaving the hatch and had to wear gas masks if they went out of it....

- Uncle Rico where where was your orange van and cowlick!!!

[scaeagles]

Uncle Rico was also in another TV series that had some odd aspects - called The Pretender. I used to love that show. He played a character named "Broots". Anyone else watch that?

[Stan4dSteph]

I wonder if Jacob only manifests in ways influenced by other people. For instance, he looks like Locke, but is that how he appears to Ben? I would think not, since Ben doesn't show any sign of that being the case. Maybe Jacob was the one who appeared to Ben as his mom, and perhaps he also was the energy that Jack saw as his dad. It looked like there was some sort of binding circle around the cabin, perhaps to contain Jacob's energy.

It looked like the Others were starting to mistrust Ben and gravitate more toward Locke. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

[Stan4dSteph]

Uncle Rico was also in another TV series that had some odd aspects - called The Pretender. I used to love that show. He played a character named "Broots". Anyone else watch that?Yes. I loved Broots. He was awesome.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

GD said "Lazlo!" because Uncle Rico stands out most in our minds as Lazlo from the movie True Genius, starring a young 80's Val Kilmer. :D

Yay! A Ben's history ep! Even though they always bring up more questions, I'm glad we now have some answers as to how Dharma dissolved. It always seemed puzzling to me that the Others used all the old Dharma stuff but weren't actually carrying out the initiative. Awesome.

The guy that doesn't age - lame. Why do that? For God's sake, just hire another actor. We have enough proof of magic on the island.

It was weird hearing the word "hostiles" again - it's been a while. I wonder how the French chick gets involved with Ben. Can't wait to have an ep on her.

I wonder if Jacob only manifests in ways influenced by other people. For instance, he looks like Locke, but is that how he appears to Ben?I didn't think he looked liked Locke (like everyone else who watched it, we went back and paused it). He had a goatee, and what seemed like some seriously big and long hair. Of course that could be anyone under that fuzz.

What would a hard-to-sense being trapped in a cabin want out of them? Why the need for converts, babies, mistreatment of enemies? How much of this is Jacob, how much Ben?

Why would supposedly peaceful Dharma not be able to get along with the Hostiles? How the hell did the "original inhabitants" get there? More boats, plane crashes, etc? They weren't exactly wearing polar bear loincloths.

ETA - bunny! :D

[BarTopDancer]

What's up with Portland(and I don't mean their liberal city council either;))? Ben was born just outside of Portland and this is also where Juliet was supposed to go when she was recruited........why?

Good catch. I saw the sign but didn't give it a second thought.

I have to admit that scene in Jacob's house was a little spooky.

A little? ;)

Now wasnt that guy who Little Ben met in the jungle after he turned off the pylon the same guy he is with now? That guy doesnt seem to age?
It makes me think something that someone wrote a couple of posts back about time travel on the island?

That actor doesn't age. He's looked the same for the last 15 years. I think they tried to cover it with the wig.

I dont think this is the last of Locke. I hope not.. I actually like his character.

Putting this in spoiler - about deaths (no names) I read in a blurb in TV guide that 5 will die by the end of the season

So I guess Desmond was already on the island when the Dharma was sprayed... I remember in Desmonds first flashback last season that he and his bunkmate were paranoid about not leaving the hatch and had to wear gas masks if they went out of it....

Oh ya! Now I wonder if the hazard suit Desmond's counterpart was torn on purpose or if it was sheer luck that he didn't get gassed. Was he the last surviving member of Dharma? How did he escape the gas?

[Gn2Dlnd]

Well, since they didn't actually show us Locke dying, I'm going to assume the island heals his injury. That said, I don't watch the previews and I haven't read the spoilers in this thread.

3 thing about last night episode:

1) Young Ben was played by one of the kids that was in the production of Sound of Music I was in! Sterling was one of those kids that made all the adults crazy, and riled up the other kids. Onstage he was great to watch, always had interesting little things going on, but he would miss entrances and costume pieces. Backstage, well, very few people were sad to see him leave for a production at the Geffen with Stacy Keach. I told him, before he left, that Mr. Keach probably wouldn't put up with his nonsense for very long - I wonder if he's straightened up his act, or if he's just more tolerable in a world of badly behaving celebrities.

2) TGIFriday's ran a commercial touting smaller portions as a plus!

3) A Disneyland ad with all Florida footage. Grr!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Commercials?

[Stan4dSteph]

2) TGIFriday's ran a commercial touting smaller portions as a plus!I saw a news piece on this recently. It's actually a pretty crafty marketing strategy. The prices are also lower, BTW.

I might consider eating there now instead of totally dismissing it if a group I was with wanted to eat there.

Anyway, I wonder what the significance of the dog painting was in Jacob's cabin?

[Ghoulish Delight]

I don't eat at TGIF often, but when I have I've been pleasantly surprised. It's not gourmet, but it's better than Olive Garden or Crappleby's. Lower prices and smaller portions do make it even more attractive when forced to dine with people who are afraid of anything that's not a chain.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Lazlo!Ah ha! So that's where I knew him from. thanks GD.
how did Richard not age a day over what has got to be at least 25 years?Because Richard is played by Nestor Carbonell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004801/) and he's totally hot! :evil: ;)
I didn't think he looked liked Locke (like everyone else who watched it, we went back and paused it). He had a goatee, and what seemed like some seriously big and long hair. Of course that could be anyone under that fuzz.WHAT!?! Jacob was visible? Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have deleted that episode last night. grrrr....

I guess I'll have to watch that scene on line.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I didn't think he looked liked Locke (like everyone else who watched it, we went back and paused it). He had a goatee, and what seemed like some seriously big and long hair. Of course that could be anyone under that fuzz.It's Leland Palmer I tells ya!

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

It's Leland Palmer I tells ya!

Hah!

[thecorndogwalker]

I wonder if Jacob only manifests in ways influenced by other people. For instance, he looks like Locke, but is that how he appears to Ben? I would think not, since Ben doesn't show any sign of that being the case. Maybe Jacob was the one who appeared to Ben as his mom, and perhaps he also was the energy that Jack saw as his dad. It looked like there was some sort of binding circle around the cabin, perhaps to contain Jacob's energy.



Well I started to think that Ben took Locke to the Bates Motel when he was chatting with the rocking chair.. I was like "Oh writers please dont let Ben put on a dress and try to stab Locke!"

Or maybe Locke was right and Ben is a kook and he rigged Jacob's place to appear haunted or whatever? These are the "others" who did disguise themselves (remember all the fake beards & dirty clothes) and Ben did ask some of them to pretend to be the plane survivors.. Ben could just be bonkers?

I mean during the flashbacks it is pretty much what the person experienced and maybe Ben just thought he saw his mom.. I mean its not that uncommon that traumatized children see things... have wishful thinking...

[Ghoulish Delight]

So what is it about Ben that makes the hostiles/natives not only accept him but let him run things? Why did Richard seem so interested and certain about Ben seeing his mom? Is Ben fulfilling some sort of prophesied role for the hostiles/natives? Are they humoring him to get what they want? Hmmmm

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

So what is it about Ben that makes the hostiles/natives not only accept him but let him run things? Why did Richard seem so interested and certain about Ben seeing his mom? Is Ben fulfilling some sort of prophesied role for the hostiles/natives? Are they humoring him to get what they want? Hmmmm

I'm sort of guessing that Ben was considered some sort of prophet, etc. But with the arrival of Locke, the so-called Hostiles are beginning to wonder if they got the wrong man the first time around, and maybe it's Locke. I'm also wondering if it's sort of a toss up between Ben, Locke and Jack. Jack, who has seen visions of his dead father.

And, seriously, what DADDY issues the writers must have, and some of the writers came from the Joss Whedon Buffy/Angel camp, shows also rife with serious Daddy issues. It KILLS me.

[BarTopDancer]

And, seriously, what DADDY issues the writers must have, and some of the writers came from the Joss Whedon Buffy/Angel camp, shows also rife with serious Daddy issues. It KILLS me.

I was thinking this last night.

Kate kills her step-dad (do we know what happened to her bio dad?)
Jack and his dad
Locke's dad steals his kidney and tries to kill him
Sawyers dad is killed [by Locke's dad]
Sun and her mob-dad
Jinn and being ashamed of his dad
Claire and Aaron's dad
Ben and his dad

Who else?

[BarTopDancer]

Did they ever show Annie after Dharma-Town was gassed?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Did they ever show Annie after Dharma-Town was gassed?

No. That was mentioned in the Lost-pedia, as well, as one of the questions left unanswered. Actually, if it's the Hostile's habit to kidnap kids, they may have taken them someplace safe to reprogram them. Hmmmm.

[BarTopDancer]

Ok,

So the kids in the school room could be part of the Others now.

If I remember, Annie was blond. Wasn't there a blond woman on the boat when they kidnapped Walt? I think the thew the maltov cocktail.

Was there a black girl? Maybe that is Mrs Qlue now?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I was thinking this last night.

Kate kills her step-dad (do we know what happened to her bio dad?)
Jack and his dad
Locke's dad steals his kidney and tries to kill him
Sawyers dad is killed [by Locke's dad]
Sun and her mob-dad
Jinn and being ashamed of his dad
Claire and Aaron's dad
Ben and his dad

Who else?

Turns out that Craphole Island really is the Land of Bad Dads. (Do I see a Disneyland ride in the future?)

That's from Television Without Pity:
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a13082/

[scaeagles]

I found an image of "Jacob" that was posted on another site.

Image of "Jacob" (http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39741)

It's the second or third post down the page.

[FEJ]

Is there a possibility that Anne is Russo? I know she didn't have an accent but those can come with time.
I like that Ben's dad is the one Hurly & Co. pulled the head off when they got the bus running.

[FEJ]

Lazlo!


I said that right away also!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh wow, that does look like Locke. Hmmmmmmmm

I like that Ben's dad is the one Hurly & Co. pulled the head off when they got the bus running.

I figured that once they showed the VW buses lined up and then had Lazlo putting on the uniform.

[Gemini Cricket]

I say it's Michael Gross from Family Ties...
:D

[sleepyjeff]

Oh, and regarding the weak reasoning that Eye Patch Guy survived the Sonic Fence: It was turned down??

What possible reason could they have that explains the need for different levels of power on this fence. It should be either off or on. What, do they just want dangerous animals to get thru the fence with big owies sometimes and other times not thru at all.

Sorry, I don't buy it. The writters need to do better than this in the future for characters that die, then come back to life.

It reminds me of a certain scene in the movie Galaxy Quest. Allen and Weaver are discussing how to get thru a certain part of the ship in order to turn off a bomb that will blow the ship up:

Gwen DeMarco: What is this thing? I mean, it serves no useful purpose for there to be a bunch of chompy, crushy things in the middle of a hallway. No, I mean we shouldn't have to do this, it makes no logical sense, why is it here?
Jason Nesmith: 'Cause it's on the television show.
Gwen DeMarco: Well forget it! I'm not doing it! This episode was badly written!
Courtesy IMD

[thecorndogwalker]

I found an image of "Jacob" that was posted on another site.

Image of "Jacob" (http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39741)

It's the second or third post down the page.


The figure looks like that character from Star Trek: DS9.

[BarTopDancer]

I'm not so sure gunshot wounds heal on the island -

Libby - shot
Ana Lucia - shot
Shannon - shot

So unless someone finds Locke or he is super special I think he's dead.

FEJ - good theory about Anna being Russo.

But didn't she say she was married and they crashed on the island 16 years ago? Of course, who knows if that story is true.

[thecorndogwalker]

They press had mentioned that 5 characters were going to meet their end on the show before the end of the season...

I guess Locke might be the first??

But who are the next four?

[Betty]

I really like Locke. That'll suck that 5 people will meet their end.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm of the belief that the death of a character is pretty meaningless. With the number of deaths already piled up, and foreshadowing like, "Things don't stay buried for very long on this island," death most certainly isn't enough to prevent a character from being integral to the story going forward. So even if Locke "dies", I'd wager a good amount of money that he'll be back in the story before long. Especially now that they've set him up as practically being the lynch pin to the whole island enigma.

[sleepyjeff]

Who's the biggest character to ever die without it being their flashback episode?

Boone?
Libby?

If a non-original character like Eko gets a flashback episode for his dying day I would think a character like Locke would get one too. If uber minor characters like Nikki and Paulo get one......

Locke ain't dead;)

[scaeagles]

THAT was a serious episode. Great one.

Seriously fine looking finale next week as well.

[BarTopDancer]

Really good. Really frelling good. I hesitate to get super excited about next week though. It looks like we're going to be left with quite a few more questions.

[thecorndogwalker]

Finally an ep with all the characters in it.. I cant wait until next week. And of course we are left with dangling questions. Like WTF is the underwater hatch doing with people on it???

Has Charlie always worn that DS ring? I have to look back at past episodes..

[Gemini Cricket]

Holy underwater chick refuge, Batman!

[FEJ]

Finally an ep with all the characters in it.. I cant wait until next week. And of course we are left with dangling questions. Like WTF is the underwater hatch doing with people on it???

Has Charlie always worn that DS ring? I have to look back at past episodes..

Yes, he has. He was even fumbling with it on 815 before it crashed.

PREVIEWS SPOILER
Did anyone see how it looked like Desmond went down to the looking glass also?
How about Sayid and co. on hands and knees on the beach?

Ben meeting the whole group looking for the transmitter?

Could Ben have set up a trap in all locations? Divide an conquer?

Next week will be good.

[libraryvixen]

I agree fully with GC. Glamazon women in the Looking Glass!

[thecorndogwalker]

I agree fully with GC. Glamazon women in the Looking Glass!

Yeah thats what stuns me a little, all of the others are very together for being running around in the jungle.. and those top models down at the looking glass... yikes....


But in the back of my head, from looking at the previews, and reading FEJ's comments is that they look like they were absoutely set-up. Maybe Juliet is still playing them both? still...

[scaeagles]

On an aside from the plotline, it has been announced (a week ago or so, in case this is old news to anyone) that Lost will have 3 16 episode seasons to complete the run of the show.

[BarTopDancer]

Anyone else think that the blond in the Looking Glass is Anne?

[JWBear]

I don’t think that was the Looking Glass Station. The drawings that Sayid was looking at (and where the hell did he get those, anyway?) showed a small round structure, and Juliette stated that it was flooded and abandoned. The place Charlie swam into was composed of squarish modules, and looked much larger. Desmond just assumed the cable ran out to Looking Glass. And we all know the Losties are not known for making correct assumptions…

Also… Rose and Bernard!!! Where have they been all this time?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Also… Rose and Bernard!!! Where have they been all this time?
I don't know, but that was a pretty lame appearance by them. And speaking of lame, "Is he my father?" Ugh, worst line since, "I hate you, Ben."

Not a bad episode I suppose, but it suffered having followed 3 consecutive stellar episodes. I thought it was just kinda okay.

[thecorndogwalker]

I don’t think that was the Looking Glass Station. The drawings that Sayid was looking at (and where the hell did he get those, anyway?)

Also… Rose and Bernard!!! Where have they been all this time?



1. I agree with you JWB I dont think that was the looking glass station either. It looked too modern to be something that the Dharma Inititive have created..

2. I hope that Rose and Bernard's conversation about Bernard staying behind wasnt exposition that one of the two is going to die.

3. How the hell does everyone on that island stay so well groomed.. I mean hello I know they have their bags and some tolietries, I mean on survivor they are on a deserted island for 39 days and some of them look like they are near death, and they have cameras in front of them...
I guess Survivor island doesnt have polar Bears, black mist monsters and healing properties... It did have a Hatch... Richard Hatch...

4. Lets home next week doesnt disapoint.. I am still trying wonder if they will ever explain that three toe statue at the end of the show last season...

[BarTopDancer]

Did anyone catch Nadia being the woman that Charlie saved in the ally?

Someone pointed it out to me.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I will say this:

They managed to make me, in one episode, care about Charlie, when I've spent most of Season 1, 2 and 3 wishing for his death. So it was a nicely executed Charlie-centric episode.

[thecorndogwalker]

I will say this:

They managed to make me, in one episode, care about Charlie, when I've spent most of Season 1, 2 and 3 wishing for his death. So it was a nicely executed Charlie-centric episode.

I felt the same way about Charlie.. I think he will be around.. at least till next week!

[sleepyjeff]

Not a bad episode I suppose, but it suffered having followed 3 consecutive stellar episodes. I thought it was just kinda okay.

Exactly! And it didn't help that ABC had been showing the BIG explosion in their teasers that hinted that we would finally see the showdown between our Losties and the Others.....and what did we get instead? A demonstration of the dynomite(which was totally done just so they could use it in their ABC promos). How stupid can they be? It was known that Ben has been going back and forth to the nearby Staff Station...if he or any other "others" saw that explosion they would have known that the Losties had dynomite--goodbye surprise:rolleyes: Once again I was taken in by the ABC promo department:mad:



I will say this:

They managed to make me, in one episode, care about Charlie, when I've spent most of Season 1, 2 and 3 wishing for his death. So it was a nicely executed Charlie-centric episode.

Me too. This was the one aspect of last nights show that I did enjoy. Charlies flashbacks were wonderfully done.

[thecorndogwalker]

Did anyone see the special they had on LOST last night (thurs) right after Grey's Anatomy. It was called LOST:SECRETS. I was watching the first 15 minutes and then fell asleep.. They said the Producers were going to reveal some stuff... I was just too tired to stay up....

Was anything worthwhile talked about, because the first 15 minutes was a recap of each character since the beginning...

[scaeagles]

Nothing was revealed at all.

What it seemed to me they were doing was saying "See! We ARE giving you some answers to mysteries as well as creating more." They reviewed the mysteries that have been presented and answered, and also the mysteries that have not yet been answered.

For example, what was the hatch, what is the monster (they admitted that's only half answered - we have seen it but don't know what it is), what happened to Dharma, etc, etc, etc.

It did remind me of a few things I had forgotten about, but....it was pretty much what I described above.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I really don't get it. They need to just get out there and say, "The show is about not knowing what's going on. If we told you the answers, there would be no show. So shut up, stop asking, and watch the show."

[sleepyjeff]

I remember a couple of years ago I went on a field trip with my sons 3rd grade class to "study" the Willamette River(I say "study"...what it really is was a Jet Boat Thrill Ride for students and teachers at tax payer expense...but I digress) Our guide did point out a few interesting things and historical facts along the way which I found very interesting. When we got back to the classroom there was still an hour left before school let out so I stayed with a couple of the other parents to sit in on the class.........and we went over what we "learned" on the boat trip...again...real...slow...so...3rd...graders... could...understand....and with no additional or more in depth anylisis of the facts we learned. Which was perfectly fine because they were just 3rd graders.

"Lost Answeres" brought back that memory...I am not sure why;)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I really don't get it. They need to just get out there and say, "The show is about not knowing what's going on. If we told you the answers, there would be no show. So shut up, stop asking, and watch the show."Remember the "Pat" sketch on SNL? My young brothers used to debate what Pat actually was, a man or a woman. It was impossible to convince them that Pat was actually supposed to be neither, an eternal impermeable enigma. That was the whole point.

They were just kids - we're talking about adults here. But I guess people have no patience. This show better not get cancelled or there'll be rioting in the streets....by me.

[Prudence]

I am *FINALLY* caught up with all the episodes! And I'm very confused.

[libraryvixen]

I don’t think that was the Looking Glass Station. The drawings that Sayid was looking at (and where the hell did he get those, anyway?)

He got them when they were at the communications station that Locke blew up. If I remember right, they were in with a bunch of binders below the house.

[thecorndogwalker]

He got them when they were at the communications station that Locke blew up. If I remember right, they were in with a bunch of binders below the house.

wow.. LV you get a gold star for that one!!!:snap:

[FEJ]

I really don't get it. They need to just get out there and say, "The show is about not knowing what's going on. If we told you the answers, there would be no show. So shut up, stop asking, and watch the show."

They have already said that. They said in the "Answers" show (and in various podcasts) that the real part of the show is the that everyone has a past and the reveal of that is half of the story.

[sleepyjeff]

He got them when they were at the communications station that Locke blew up. If I remember right, they were in with a bunch of binders below the house.

Yes, that is where he got them. What I don't understand is how did he keep them after being captured by Ben's people? Did he hide them in the jungle before they went in to rescue Jack or did the "others" think them not important enough to confiscate or maybe the "others" wanted him to have those plans for whatever reason:confused:

One thing for sure....the Others do know that Sayid has those plans unless EPG kept that info to himself.

[JWBear]

He got them when they were at the communications station that Locke blew up. If I remember right, they were in with a bunch of binders below the house.
Thank you. I had forgotten about that.

[BarTopDancer]

2 hour finale tonight.

After the anti-climatic ending of 24* and a roller coaster excitement level season of Lost I'm seriously not getting my hopes up for any sort of excitement.

*not that the two are related, I'm just irked by the ending.

[sleepyjeff]

HAPPY LOST DAY EVERYONE!

[Stan4dSteph]

Grearrrrg! I have to go to bed and can't post.

[FEJ]

Almost the end of the first hour!

Very good so far!

WALT!!! WTF..didn't see that one coming! this is rocking!

[scaeagles]

That is quite possibly the best Lost episode ever. Simply incredible.

I'm with FEJ - didn't see that coming either.

Being that the general spoiler rule is that once the episode has aired it is the responsibility of those who haven't viewed it yet to avoid posts, I'm not going to tag anything.

While Charlie wasn't my favorite, I was truly sad at the death of the character. Selfless, noble, and I thought he perhaps might survive until I saw Mikhail had once again survived and had left the deck.

Speaking of not seeing something coming....I didn't see the whole "flash forward" thing coming either, but was suspicious when Jack's ex was far along pregnant.

Major questions that need to be answered, but we will have to wait until freakin' 2008 (!) for.....

Why do they need to go back (and what happened to make Jack believe that they shouldn't have left)?

Who is in the casket? I'm guessing Michael, Locke, or Ben.

What was up with Walt?????

Minor questions -

Who was Kate referring to when she said "he'll be wondering where I am."? I'm guessing Sawyer.

Why were Sayid, Bernard, and Jin spared?

Again that was just phenomenal. Beyond phenomenal.

[BarTopDancer]

Freeking fantastic. More than made up for 24 last night.

Will have to post more tomorrow.

Happy Lost Day Everyone!

[thecorndogwalker]

OMG... that was one of the best episodes ever!!!!

Too much to post...

[LSPoorEeyorick]

WTF!!!!!?????

Two nights in a row and that's about all I've got. Though this is a much more interested and piqued WTF than Veronica Mars gave me.

Tom thinks that the rest of the series will include flash-forwards. I think I'd be down with that.

[FEJ]

Love the "Good Vibrations" part!

Mikhail MUST be dead now.

Who is on the boat?

Penny is coming. Widmore industries will be involved and I think we will more about them and Hanso/Dharma.

I totally loved the flash forward. It didn't click until I saw Kate.

I wonder who is in the coffin. Judging by the part of town it points towards someone urban. It doesn't look like the area Walt or Michael lived before, so don't think it is them. It looked more like LA. Could have been Locke.

Jack's dad alive? Or just a delusion?

[Gemini Cricket]

Is Charlie really dead? Maybe, maybe not.
Is walkie talkie girl dead? Maybe, maybe not.
Was Walt really there? Maybe, maybe not.
Does she end up with Sawyer? Maybe, maybe not.
Who's funeral was it? Ben's? Maybe, maybe not.
Are they really rescued? Maybe, maybe not.
Do the producers know where they are going with their show? Maybe, maybe not.

Mostly I like Lost, but after watching 3 episodes it's starting to bug me how it's just stringing everyone along. And now they're going to stretch it out for 3 more season? Urgh.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Awesome overall, with one MAJOR quibble.

Why the hell did Charlie have to drown there? I took like 2 minutes to flood that one tiny room, it's not like the station was going to be instantly depressurized if he didn't. And both of them know they can swim out of there. Even if it was, "Crap, slam the door just in case," he had tons of time to go, "Ummm, oh hey, the water's not even up to my knickers yet. Hey brotha', I'll be out in a jiff, lemme unlock this door thing and we'll go for a swim."

Boo.

Leo, as for your last question, though kinda poorly delivered, I believe Tom's mini-monologue was supposed to be, "WTF, these people, who Ben assured us we're far superior to, just blew the fvck out of us. They're totally in my head, I need a minute to think before I just do what Ben tells me to. And just the fact that I'm even thinking that is messing with my head even more!"

At least that's how I understood it.

They threw me off on the flash forward scene with the fake prescription and the "if I'm more drunk than my dad," line. I assumed that meant pops was still alive.

Didn't see Walt coming at freaking all! Brilliant. I'm just pissed that's all we got.

I'm going to guess Juliette in the coffin, with maybe a couple side bets on Ben and Jacob (yes, Jacob).

[Gemini Cricket]

Oh, and musician or not, the Good Vibrations part was hokey. I mean, yes he knows the tune but he has no way of knowing which numbers play which note. Bleh.

[FEJ]

Awesome overall, with one MAJOR quibble.

Why the hell did Charlie have to drown there? I took like 2 minutes to flood that one tiny room, it's not like the station was going to be instantly depressurized if he didn't. And both of them know they can swim out of there. Even if it was, "Crap, slam the door just in case," he had tons of time to go, "Ummm, oh hey, the water's not even up to my knickers yet. Hey brotha', I'll be out in a jiff, lemme unlock this door thing and we'll go for a swim."

Boo.


He closed it to keep Desmond to out and possibly drowning also knowing Penny was on the other end of the transmission. He sacrificed himself so Desmond could have the chance to see Penny.

Oh, and musician or not, the Good Vibrations part was hokey. I mean, yes he knows the tune but he has no way of knowing which numbers play which note. Bleh.


but he did know the beginning of the sequence and it started with the 5.

[libraryvixen]

Oh, and musician or not, the Good Vibrations part was hokey. I mean, yes he knows the tune but he has no way of knowing which numbers play which note. Bleh.

Bonnie started the numbers off. Maybe he figured it out *shrug*

I was beyond excited about the flash-forward!

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I called flash-forward at the first site of CRAZY Jack and the WORST BEARD EVER. Honestly, I'm not usually the person who makes correct guesses about plot twists, etc., but I just *knew* somehow that this wasn't a flashback episode. We've never seen him so distraught before and it felt 'off' somehow.

Words cannot really describe how much I loved the episode, and how much I especially love the flash-forward spin, because it really does answer the question, "How the f**k are they going to carry this show for another 2 seasons?!"

That's how, b**ches! If this is some horrible dream sequence of Desmond's I will scratch out the producer's eyes. I really love the idea of them suddenly being off the Island, and having to get back for some reason. And the idea that maybe the flashbacks moving forward will be flashbacks to the Island. I don't know. Endless possibilities but it rocked my ass off hardcore. GLEE. GLEE!

And I hope my friend M isn't disappointed in me, because both of us have been wishing Death on Charlie since season 1, but I cried when Charlie died. Because they made me like him in last week's episode, and in this episode they made me love him. LOVE, as pure as virgins and Angels in Heaven. I was almost horrified by this sudden change in feeling, but I was too busy loving.

The Hurley bus rescue. Sawyer shooting Tom. Ben being, very possibly, right. Daniel's reunion with her daughter (done with such subtlety), the flash-forwards, the WORST BEARD EVER. I really think this was a grand slam of a finale.

I can't WAIT to next season. Man, that mid season slump that had me almost bailing ship? I can barely remember feeling that way.

I LOVE YOU LOST. I will never give up. I will never surrender.

She says during her post-finale high.....

And why can't Cyclops die?! Maybe Charlie isn't dead. Maybe Boon and Shannon aren't dead (perish the thought). Maybe... Whatever, this episode was awesome!

"Not Penny's boat." Man, I'm gonna get all teary-eyed again.

WHO WERE YOU WEIRD PARACHUTE LADY?!

God f**king damn, I had such a good time tonight. And it's been a long time since I swore because of happiness. I've been swearing like a sailor out of frustration for the last few days.

I wonder who was in the casket? I wonder if there's any significance that the service seemed to take place in a seemingly black neighborhood? Who was it? WHO DIED?!?!?!?! And why did I just assume it was a man. Did they say it was a man in the casket?

Oh, oh! And even though I know what happens to women who get pregnant on the island, I was genuinely surprised and touched when Ben told Alex that he was keeping her boyfriend away from her because he was afraid she'd get pregnant. Ben might be eeeeeeeeeeevil. But he's also kinda...sweet.

Heh.

Man. I feel like a druggie. I want my next Lost fix. I WANT MY NEXT LOST FIX.

[sleepyjeff]

I am not too happy. The answers are few and far apart and almost always contain another question:

What were they building on the other Island...Runway. Ok, what for?

Was Naomi working for Penny...No. Fine...but WHY was Penny on a TV frequency controlled by BEN?

Glass eye belong the eye patch guy...No. Then who's is it?

Speaking of EPG, does anything kill him? Set the crossbow to stun:rolleyes:

Flash Forward? Flash Back? or Flash Over? Some would argue that it was a flashback due to Christian still being alive....some say no, flashforward and Christian is dead and Jack was just nuts......could it be a flashover, alternate universe or something? HUGE Question with no huge answers given in trade.

I am tired of waiting. Durring the very first part of the first season we were treated to a chilling account translated by Shannon of a French Lady in distrress. There was a man named Brennan and a seemingly important key. This scene gave me goosebumps and hooked me to Lost forever.

The Lady who made that transmission and all of our Losties were together at the place she made it....you would think that someone would ask her what it was all about? Hello???? I've been waiting for an answer to this one question for two and a half years and now I have to wait another year almost. I very much doubt if the writers of this show even know what that transmission was about.

Still my favorite show but they are really ticking me off.

As for the ending...like Eliza I figured it would be something like that in the first 15 minutes. I avoided spoilers all week only to not be surpirsed:mad:

Still my favorited show..still my favorite show....but with the vast wasteland that is the land of TV out there right now that isn't saying much:rolleyes:

[thecorndogwalker]

Okay, I woke up early and LOST was on my mind. I have to say again that it was one of the best episodes ever. I really wasnt expecting it to be a flash forward episode, but throughout the show I was like saying, "damn why havent we ever saw Jack this bad in the flashbacks before?"

If they are going to do the rest of the seasons in Flash forwards, that is ok with me.

I had to suspend my belief with the fact that Locke saw a teenage Walt, and if it was really Walt on the island he sure did get older quickly in 90 days.... (but it was good)

It does give me hope that they get off the island (well at least some of them) and now i am intregued about how this all plays out. It's exciting, it has me asking more questions... and I think I have faith that the producers will answer alot of the other questions about the island.

Who was in the casket? Im going to go with what GD said, maybe Jacob?

The only problem I have with this show, is that I have to wait until freakin January to watch it.... arrrggghhh....

[Prudence]

I was assuming Walt was Jacob, taking some familiar form? Or that Walt was whatever it is that takes the form of someone the person seeing it knows. Like Jack's dad, Ben's mom, etc...

[scaeagles]

One other question - why isn't Kate in custody? Does that have something to do with who "he" is?

[scaeagles]

Even if it was, "Crap, slam the door just in case," he had tons of time to go, "Ummm, oh hey, the water's not even up to my knickers yet. Hey brotha', I'll be out in a jiff, lemme unlock this door thing and we'll go for a swim."


I'd have had a problem with that.

First, the door opens inward. Unless pressure is equalized, even a couple feet of water is very difficult to overcome.

Also, Charlie was a believer in Desmond. Desmond had said previously that if his visions don't happen exactly as he sees them, they don't end the way he sees them, and Charlie was doing this specifically to save Claire. He didn't want to risk it.

[libraryvixen]

Saiyd breaking some guy's neck with his legs? Hell yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

Also, EH1812, your Lost recap did not dissapoint. It's brilliant! I felt the same way about Jack's beard. In fact I almost posted about it while the ep was going on.

I am planning on doing the nerdy thing during the off season: take all my saved season 3 eps and have a Lost viewing party over the summer. OK, so maybe I only have 2 friends here in NorCal that watch it... but it'll just recap it for all of us, cause great discussion and uncontrollable arm waving as we try to make our points of argument.

My new new love is this (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page). It is a serious time killer. It also has a good map (http://www.lostpedia.com/images/9/9f/Dharma_stations.jpg) that I will most likely study with gusto because I have to wait so dang long for season 4 eps.

[Ghoulish Delight]

He closed it to keep Desmond to out and possibly drowning also knowing Penny was on the other end of the transmission. He sacrificed himself so Desmond could have the chance to see Penny.

I'd have had a problem with that.

First, the door opens inward. Unless pressure is equalized, even a couple feet of water is very difficult to overcome.
The water was barely coming in. He had PLENTY of time to rethink and see that it wasn't going to kill Desmond and reopen the door long before the water ever got high enough to worry about pressure differentials.



Also, Charlie was a believer in Desmond. Desmond had said previously that if his visions don't happen exactly as he sees them, they don't end the way he sees them, and Charlie was doing this specifically to save Claire. He didn't want to risk it.

I suppose I'd buy that, but it was still a pretty weak way to die.

Sleepyjeff...if they answered questions the show would be over. The whole point is to keep having questions that need to be answered. If you stop expecting answers you'll stop being disappointed.

I believe Jack referencing his father was just him being drunk and beligerent and meant to throw us off.

I have a prediction for when they get rescued (presuming the flash forward can be taken as "fact" and that they WILL be rescued. Jack's wife will be there to meet him because she's his emergency contact.

[Stan4dSteph]

For some reason I think it might be Ben in the casket. I think it's Ben or Locke.

Loved the flash forward. That was awesome. What is it that they have all been lying about, as Jack said? Maybe they didn't tell anyone about the Others?

Totally rocking finale. I hope we get to learn more about what Walt may have said to Locke.

[madmonkeygirl]

Ok after watching last nite's finale episode i have a ton of questions. Is Charlie really dead? Remember Locke was shot dead or left for dead after being shot and he returned last nite. I really hope that wasn't the end for Charlie. And why did he have to lock himself in that room anyways? Couldn't he have shut the door behind him and ran with Desmond and jumped into the water? Kate i'm assuming when she told Jack that "he's gonna be wondering where i am" she meant Sawyer. Funny how they showed that clip of them after getting off the island and then Jack saying they have to return to the island. For what i'm wondering? Why would you go back? Plus if it isn't Penny's boat who is it that is coming to rescue them and is Ben right when he said they are bad but then again they were rescued so that didn't make sense.

[libraryvixen]

Funny how they showed that clip of them after getting off the island and then Jack saying they have to return to the island. For what i'm wondering? Why would you go back?

Life off the island might have been horrible and complicated thus leading to a downward spiral for Jack. It makes me wonder the fate of the of the other Losties after they came back and if the people that truly WANTED to stay on the island (Locke & Ben) actually were able to stay.

Let's give survivors of a horrible plane crash a golden ticket to travel by plane anywhere they want, anytime they want! :rolleyes: That's awesome!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I agree, frelling awesome episode!

I think it was Ben in the casket.

I think Sayid, Bernard, and Jin were spared because Tom (Mr. Friendly) et. al were questioning Ben even before that and just didn't think it was necessary to kill the hostages.

Yes, Jack's beard was horrible. (And his shirt needed to go too. :evil: )

Oh, and musician or not, the Good Vibrations part was hokey. I mean, yes he knows the tune but he has no way of knowing which numbers play which note.I disagree. That keypad had 12 buttons. There are 12 notes (8 whole + 5 flat/sharp) in the Western musical scale. Any good musician could easily translate notes to numbers, it's not an uncommon practice when teaching music to do so.

First, the door opens inward. Unless pressure is equalized, even a couple feet of water is very difficult to overcome.But he didn't even try! In fact, he deliberately closed and locked the door. IMO, Charlie did not have to sacrifice himself, but I guess he felt he had to die to save Claire. Grrrr!

Saiyd breaking some guy's neck with his legs? Hell yeah! That's what I'm talking about!Oh HELL yeah! That was cool!

[libraryvixen]

Oh HELL yeah! That was cool!

I actually did, out loud, yell "Hell Yeah! That's what I'm talking about"... much like my brother and dad who watch Ultimate Fighting.

[MouseWife]

Ah, a little silly comparison but didn't the people from Gilligans' Island go back after they were found? Is it some sort of complex that Jack seems to be having, perhaps a survivors' guilt or something to do with his 'hero' label? What happened? What did they leave behind? Is life too real back home and, like Ben said to him, what did he go back to?

Something I caught, is Kate pregnant? They didn't say. Could he be the one who is wondering where she is?

I love all of the comments on here, btw.

I was also quite sad/angry about Charlie dying. I guess the theory about him having to die per Desmonds' vision is it. He had peace with his dying, knowing {thinking} it is part of saving everyone.

[MouseWife]

I think Sayid, Bernard, and Jin were spared because Tom (Mr. Friendly) et. al were questioning Ben even before that and just didn't think it was necessary to kill the hostages.



I thought that Tom wanted to kill them but that Ben set it up prior that they would shoot into the sand. They made it look like he questioned Ben wanting to kill them but after, when we saw them alive, it made more sense.

He said something about not agreeing with Ben after all they'd just killed seven of their people. They made it sound like he thought it was a bad decision to kill them because look at what they could do but in reality he was pissed and wanted to kill them because of what they'd done.

LOL Is that murky enough? :p

[Ghoulish Delight]

I thought that Tom wanted to kill them but that Ben set it up prior that they would shoot into the sand. They made it look like he questioned Ben wanting to kill them but after, when we saw them alive, it made more sense.
Ah, that's a good call. I think you're right, it makes sense with Tom's line. But then why would Ben have spared them. His whole point was to convince Jack to turn around and give him the phone. Once Jack believed they were dead, he had no reason to listen to Ben anymore. Hmmm.

[MouseWife]

Ah, that's a good call. I think you're right, it makes sense with Tom's line. But then why would Ben have spared them. His whole point was to convince Jack to turn around and give him the phone. Once Jack believed they were dead, he had no reason to listen to Ben anymore. Hmmm.


That, I don't know. Perhaps saving them for some other purpose? Some other leverage later?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

For some reason I think it might be Ben in the casket. I think it's Ben or Locke.

Loved the flash forward. That was awesome. What is it that they have all been lying about, as Jack said? Maybe they didn't tell anyone about the Others?

Totally rocking finale. I hope we get to learn more about what Walt may have said to Locke.

I think it's Ben, too. The neither friend or family line, coupled with Kate's dismay that Jack assumed she'd be at the funeral led me to believe it's Ben, too.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

It was a man in the casket.
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Newspaperclipping2.jpg
Whose first name starts with J and last name ends with (L)antham?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Ooh, I just upped my bet on Jacob.

[Stan4dSteph]

Could be John Locke, but he changed his name to Lantham.

[BarTopDancer]

I'm still processing. I'm going to have to watch it again.

Love the flash forwards. The only thing I said to myself when I saw the beard was "ooo cool! Jack grew a playoff beard" We know where my mind is these days.

Poor Jack. So pained. Still. Is his dad still alive or was he too drunk to remember that his dad had died? It was a recent prescription. Did he leave everyone else on the island?

Can the future be changed or is that what will happen when they get off the island? We don't know that Kate still isn't on the run.

We know that Penny's dad is working for Whidmore who is working with Dharma. Her dad must know the money she is spending to find Desmond. Did her dad send Naomi to kill everyone (the Others) and Desmond in the process?

I think Charlie is dead. Probably because Dom wants to go back to film. That would be my guess. But why in the heck doesn't Mikel die? Is he immortal?

Walt - Walt was cool. Not sure if they showed him from that angle to make him not look as tall as he was (if so, they failed) but still love him none-the-less. I also don't think it is really Walt.

I love how the story is arcing. I love that questions are being answered in the show (vs an internet outlet) and that more are coming up.

[BarTopDancer]

Whose first name starts with J and last name ends with (L)antham?

From New York.

Do we know anyone from NY?

We're also assuming that we already met the person.

[JWBear]

...Whose first name starts with J and last name ends with (L)antham?

Over at Television Without Pity (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showforum=708), they are speculating that the name is Jeremy Bentham (and that it is someone we haven’t met yet). There was an 18th century philosopher by that name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham), and we all know that the producers of Lost have a thing about naming characters after 18th century philosophers….

[MouseWife]

that does look like either an 'o' or an 'e'......

Refresh my memory, Stan4dSteph, where does 'Lantham' come from? Was that his fathers' name?

[Stan4dSteph]

Maybe Jeremy is at the other end of the sat phone.

No one has yet asked the most important question of all:Why the hell was Kate driving a Volvo?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Sorry I'm late to the post party....whew, what a ride.

No one has mentioned Kate's profuse makeup and perfect hair in the flash forward. I found it very suspicious. Why would she look like that, never mind for a secret midnight meeting by the airport with Crazy Jack? I think she's not as fine as she says she is. I suspect that anyone who gets off the island goes nuts in some way.

I totally cried when it was revealed to be a flash-forward. The idea of Jack, who had redeemed himself so much on the island, had not only returned to his crappy ways but was way worse than before, just about broke my heart. I'm really hoping it's a "one possible outcome" thing. Sniff. :(

Charlie's last ep (maybe?) was beautifully done and he came out a hero (problems with whether he needed to die or not notwithstanding). He was so annoying for so long that I'm glad they fixed his character before sending him off. Not Penny's Boat! Beautifully put together. I just love the filmmaking in this series.

Sayiid using those legs, Hurley driving the bus and making that great report on the walkie, Sawyer hurting people verbally so they wouldn't get hurt physically - most characters had great moments in this one, as if to remind you why you love all of them. The only one that came out as less than awesome was Bernard, who needs to totally die. Puss.

Sleepyjeff - seriously, if you want answers, you will not be satisfied by this show. I adore the ambiguity, the possibilities. Oh, and didn't we already get the french transmission explained? Not that I remember the answer...

Love this show, and love that you guys watch it, because none of my coworkers do!

'Till next year - adieu, LOST.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh, CP and I both felt that the score was a bit over bearing for the finale. Was that just us?

[mousepod]

Heather mentioned the score early on in the episode. I just turned to her and said, "Hey, it's the guy who did The Incredibles. Let him shine."

A couple of points that haven't been brought up yet:
- The idea that several people in this episode are now aware of some kind of specific "fate". Locke says to Jack that he is "supposed to" make the call. In the flash-forward, Jack tells Kate that they weren't "supposed to" leave the Island.
- Why was Jack's flash-forward any more believable than the short ones we've seen Desmond experience? Was it Jack's vision? Someone else's?
- Why was Jack's fake beard black, when his stubble is clearly gray? Does a disheveled drunk take the time out to apply Grecian Formula?

In all, I think I enjoyed Season 3 more than Season 2, and I get the feeling that if they writers had lost the thread, they're doing a good job to put the story back together. I guess we'll see next February.

[Ghoulish Delight]

A bit of a correction, Locke told Jack he is "not supposed to" make the call.

[mousepod]

Oops. That's what I meant to type. Thanks, GD.

[MouseWife]

The only one that came out as less than awesome was Bernard, who needs to totally die. Puss.


Yes, it was a let down but that has been his character all along.

Sayid is hot.

I also noticed Kate done up. Perhaps to show the extreme difference between the two of them? To show the difference between how she looks on the island and back home?

[MouseWife]

I haven't noticed this posted, although I am sure everyone noticed it in the background....

While Jack is driving, you hear Nirvana playing.

{okay, I am not so sharp, I just heard this on the radio...}

And, the date on the newspaper clipping~ 4-5-07....the 13th anniversary of Kurt Cobains' death.

Why? What's the significance?? I don't know!!! {said a la Pee Wee....}

{They were discussing how Courtney Love was upset that Doc Martens' had a commercial {overseas} featuring Kurt and a few other deceased rockers/people made to look like angels wearing Doc Martens.}