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Tramspotter
10-02-2006, 01:39 PM
Manufactured sympathy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTX3CZqDyOA&eurl=)

Does this sit well with you :confused:
Not Afraid
10-02-2006, 01:52 PM
That was the most BORING thing I've watched in a while. Granted, I didn't watch all of it. Maybe it had a point in there somewhere near the end.
Alex
10-02-2006, 01:56 PM
I've seen other examples of such debunking from the same people. I'm aonly about halfway through this one but it is better than most. Generally I find them to do a little too much black-box conspiracy-mongering that I find similarly distasteful in the 9/11-conspiracies crowd.

Using minute amounts of unclear evidence to draw much larger pictures. However, in the first half I think the shooting in the empty room and the living corpse are compelling images.

But I'm also not surprised by the manipulation and if you watch the news closely you'll frequently hear reporters talk about the Palestinian attempts to stage scenes (Anderson Cooper is good about this) but I'm not so eager to quickly jump on the idea that most reporters are willing participants or that this even comprises a significant portion of coverage.
Moonliner
10-02-2006, 02:05 PM
Manufactured sympathy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTX3CZqDyOA&eurl=)

Does this sit well with you :confused:

I see a biased "documentary" chronicaling the struggle of a people fighting an enemy with vastly superior resources in any way they can.
Alex
10-02-2006, 02:09 PM
So you agree that they're staging events?

If so, how should the media handle the film from those events?
Moonliner
10-02-2006, 02:18 PM
So you agree that they're staging events?

If so, how should the media handle the film from those events?

Certainly both sides of this issue are media savvy and are manipulating news and information to best suit their needs.

Do you think propaganda is a one sided affair in any conflict?

Just in light of the admitted photo doctoring we saw recently, I would hope the international press is raising it's standards when reporting the actions of either side.
Alex
10-02-2006, 02:24 PM
Of course propaganda isn't a one sided affair. And that video, though it only focuses on one side, doesn't say it is. It also doesn't question the motivations of those staging the scenes.

It is a recrimation of the mainstream media for airing as authentic footage they should be aware is staged and attempts to lay out why it should be apparent.

I disagree that it is as apparent as they feel it is. And other presentations by the same people (or at least with the same narrator) aren't as good as this one, which I still question.
Not Afraid
10-02-2006, 02:29 PM
Based on the title and where it was going, I was looking for the Holywood sign to appear in a shot. But, I'm an idiot.
Moonliner
10-02-2006, 02:32 PM
It is a recrimation of the mainstream media for airing as authentic footage they should be aware is staged and attempts to lay out why it should be apparent.



I would label it as pro-Israeli propaganda made to erode confidence in both the news media and the Palestinians. Like and good lie propaganda it helps project believability if you add a bit of the truth in it.
Alex
10-02-2006, 02:40 PM
Duh.

But it still raises the question. If 60 Minutes should reasonably have known the footage was staged, should they have aired it?
Moonliner
10-02-2006, 04:10 PM
Duh.

But it still raises the question. If 60 Minutes should reasonably have known the footage was staged, should they have aired it (http://changingminds.org/techniques/questioning/leading_questions.htm)?


Duh.

Should a news organization knowingly air false or misleading footage?

Hummm, let me think about this... err umm, No?

How about a somewhat less hypothetical question?
Alex
10-02-2006, 04:40 PM
Except that is the question that the video is trying to raise: if they shouldn't, but did, and in their view it was obviously staged, then what can be inferred from them airing it anyway?

Very nice with the link (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/circumstantial-ad-hominem.html). You caught me trying to get you to address what the video is trying to say rather than what you want to talk about. Tricksy me.
€uroMeinke
10-02-2006, 06:59 PM
Hoping this thread might yield a spectacular dance number, but reading the posts and realizing I was about to be suckered into another political thread, I will pass and paste a link of my own:
Bollywood gangster comedy makes Gandhi new pop icon (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061002/film_nm/bollywood_gandhi_dc_1)
Moonliner
10-03-2006, 07:43 AM
Except that is the question that the video is trying to raise: if they shouldn't, but did, and in their view it was obviously staged, then what can be inferred from them airing it anyway?

Very nice with the link (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/circumstantial-ad-hominem.html). You caught me trying to get you to address what the video is trying to say rather than what you want to talk about. Tricksy me.

The "point" the video is trying to say is flawed in the same manor as your phrasing of the question. It's based on inconclusive arguments and blatant speculation.

Who made this video? Why did they make it?

At least with 60 Min. and other mainstream media, they don't hide who they are and what they are doing.