Lost is back!

[Ghoulish Delight]

I don't know that Sun was so much "in Widmore's corner" as simply using him as a means to an end. And now that I think of it, Sun may be the easiest one to convince to go back. I bet she was tapping ol' Charles because he found the island once, he can find it again, and she wants to go back and find Jin (she doesn't seem like she was particularly willing to accept that he's dead).

This episode was better than last, though it still had its moments of ham-handedness. I'm hoping these last two episodes were the final fallout of the writers' strike which probably put them on a pretty tight schedule to get them done and that next season they can get back to good story telling and not lazy exposition.

Worst offender was the revisit of the Kate and Jack scene. That served absolutely no purpose other than to put the name "Jeremy Lanthem" in our minds. We learned nothing else through that entire exchange.

Bleh, whatever, I'll try to ignore all that. Still like the overall direction of the story. It's going to be a long summer.

[libraryvixen]

Worst offender was the revisit of the Kate and Jack scene. That served absolutely no purpose other than to put the name "Jeremy Lanthem" in our minds. We learned nothing else through that entire exchange.

We did learn that Kate didn't want to go back. Then, it was cemented by the appearance of Creepy Claire that Aaron shouldn't go back either.

[Ghoulish Delight]

We did learn that Kate didn't want to go back.Considering how pissed she was at Jack saying "we shouldn't have left", being pissed about "we have to go back" doesn't strike me as a giant revelation.

[scaeagles]

I don't know that Sun was so much "in Widmore's corner" as simply using him as a means to an end. And now that I think of it, Sun may be the easiest one to convince to go back. I bet she was tapping ol' Charles because he found the island once, he can find it again, and she wants to go back and find Jin (she doesn't seem like she was particularly willing to accept that he's dead).

It seemed to me that she's bent on revenge against Ben and using Widmore would be the best way to accomplish that. Although it a good point that he found the island once so finding it again may be best left to him.

I think her initial grief and denial in the helicopter was common initial shock and grief for that situation. It seems pretty evident that he's dead, but who knows?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

BTW it's Jeremy Bentham, not Lantham (for your lostpedia searches).

I liked the episode. We've now got not only the doings on the island to watch, but the current off-the island antics...and what happened to the people on the small boat that pointy-faced geek boy was driving? I know that they were extras, but perhaps only extras for the moment...I think we haven't seen the last of him.

I love the ghost-sensing asian guy. He got to roll his eyes at Rose and the red-head in this one, both great bits.

[libraryvixen]

Considering how pissed she was at Jack saying "we shouldn't have left", being pissed about "we have to go back" doesn't strike me as a giant revelation.

*shrug* it was a throwaway comment. I didn't find it as a giant revelation either. I was more freaked out by Creepy Claire. I'm just sad it came to this. I loved Claire and now she gives me the heebie jeebies.

[cirquelover]

So....I am wondering if Locke was forced to move the island again and that's why he was back on the main land. I can't imagine him leaving any other way.

That was my first thought but then I remembered that Ben had left the island before and come back. So maybe Locke was just on a mission to try and get everyone to come back to the island, to make things right.

I hope Sun doesn't give up Desmond. After all Sayid already lost his true love, I'd hate to see the same thing happen to them. I'm hoping she's trying to take down Whitmore but she could very well be after Ben too.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Worst offender was the revisit of the Kate and Jack scene. That served absolutely no purpose other than to put the name "Jeremy Lanthem" in our minds. We learned nothing else through that entire exchange.



This is how much this show is not like the others. That scene, the opening scene of this year's finale, was a continuation of the end of last year's finale. An entire year has passed connecting two halves of a scene!

I love Lost!

[Ghoulish Delight]

This is how much this show is not like the others. That scene, the opening scene of this year's finale, was a continuation of the end of last year's finale. An entire year has passed connecting two halves of a scene!Yes, I know, I just wish that the second half was actually interesting and not pointless.

[BarTopDancer]

That was one depressing episode. As soon as Jin took off running you just knew he'd see the helicopter take off.

Sun said they weren't the only ones to leave the island. Perhaps the rafties managed to land on some island too.

Now we know how the O6 were derived and who the other 2 were that "didn't make it".

Walt. HUGE! But it was nice to see him.

Where did Sayid and Hurley end up going?

Creepy Claire was creepy. And pissed.

I completely agree with Gn2Dlnd. I loved that they connected the scenes and showed us who was in the coffin.

RStar, I think it will be a new online game. It was a commercial in the last few minutes of the show. After I heard "volunteers" I looked up and saw it said "sponsored by ABC Inc".

Did anyone watch Good Morning America to get the alternate endings?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Sun said they weren't the only ones to leave the island. Perhaps the rafties managed to land on some island too.She was likely talking about Desmond. Or Ben.

[libraryvixen]

Maybe Locke had moved the island, which is why he's now off the island. I wonder if the name change for Locke was because people were following the Losties and it was code.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I don't know that Sun was so much "in Widmore's corner" as simply using him as a means to an end. And now that I think of it, Sun may be the easiest one to convince to go back. I bet she was tapping ol' Charles because he found the island once, he can find it again, and she wants to go back and find Jin (she doesn't seem like she was particularly willing to accept that he's dead).


I'm not sure about that. If Locke was making the rounds to all of the Oceanic 6, it may have come out that Ben was responsible for the ship's explosion. Maybe she is hoping Widmore will lead her to Ben.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm wondering why Locke would have to move the island to leave it? Plenty of people have left the island by various means. Richard presumably lives on the island, but has visited Locke as a child, etc. And I'm assuming he isn't ageless. I assume that Richard moves through time and space, and seemingly has more control over doing so than Desmond had. Maybe Locke learned the trick...

And, for fun, Jeremy Bentham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham).

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

We did learn that Kate didn't want to go back. Then, it was cemented by the appearance of Creepy Claire that Aaron shouldn't go back either.

Nice how they had Claire appear in a dream, eh? Leaves whether she is dead or alive rather open.

I was very happy to "see" Mr. Eko again. Heh.

[libraryvixen]

I'm wondering why Locke would have to move the island to leave it?

Ben had told Locke right before he went into the ice box that once he (Ben) moves the island, he could never go back to the island. Hence, making Locke the new Grand Poobah of the Others.

[Chernabog]

Yay!!! I get my Thursday night TV back!!!

[Ghoulish Delight]

And, for fun, Jeremy Bentham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham).
Note "John Locke" in his "influence by" list.

No one's dead and everyone is dead. Nothing stays buried for long on this island.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Ben had told Locke right before he went into the ice box that once he (Ben) moves the island, he could never go back to the island. Hence, making Locke the new Grand Poobah of the Others.

I think you're misunderstanding me, love. There is more than one way to leave the island. There has been an assumption circulating online that Locke also had to move the island, otherwise how could have left the island. But Richard has left the island. Others have left. My guess is they control moving through time and space, hence why Richard seems to be ageless....

I also assume that Locke learned the trick. And when he realized the island was in peril because some of the survivors, etc., left, he too left the island to find them and bring them back.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I think what indicates that Locke might have had to move the island again is the fact that he died on the mainland. It's one thing for him to have chosen to left the island for a short time. It's another to leave long enough to have died, that seems unlikely whucg kinda implies that he left and couldn't go back, just like Ben. At least, that's the conclusion to which the writers are trying to lead us.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Hmm. I recall that he was in the books as a suicide, but was likely killed by other means. I don't think the writers are leading us to conclude that he had to move the island at all. If his job, upon leaving, was to make sure that everyone who left must come back with him, I think he would be gone for a long time. First, he'd have a tough job convincing people to go back to the island. Second, some of those who need to go back may be MIA. I believe Penny and Desmond are in hiding, and if Ben is having a hard time finding her, I imagine Locke would just as hard a time.

We also (unless I missed something) don't know how long Locke was gone. Or, if he is time traveling, whether he leaves and returns to the island multiple times.

[libraryvixen]

I think you're misunderstanding me, love. There is more than one way to leave the island. There has been an assumption circulating online that Locke also had to move the island, otherwise how could have left the island. But Richard has left the island. Others have left. My guess is they control moving through time and space, hence why Richard seems to be ageless....

I also assume that Locke learned the trick. And when he realized the island was in peril because some of the survivors, etc., left, he too left the island to find them and bring them back.

I see I see! Well.. I also saw a hot, wet, shirtless Sawyer coming out of the water. I was a happy camper. :D

[Ghoulish Delight]

Hmm. I recall that he was in the books as a suicide, but was likely killed by other means. I don't think the writers are leading us to conclude that he had to move the island at all. If his job, upon leaving, was to make sure that everyone who left must come back with him, I think he would be gone for a long time. First, he'd have a tough job convincing people to go back to the island. Second, some of those who need to go back may be MIA. I believe Penny and Desmond are in hiding, and if Ben is having a hard time finding her, I imagine Locke would just as hard a time.

We also (unless I missed something) don't know how long Ben was gone. Or, if he is time traveling, whether he leaves and returns to the island multiple times.

Of course, this is all true. They are obviously purposely, as usual, playing it both ways. By having John show up off the island in the very same episode that they make a big deal about one way to get off the island, they obviously want you to think about it. But yes, it could go either way.

[RStar]

RStar, I think it will be a new online game. It was a commercial in the last few minutes of the show. After I heard "volunteers" I looked up and saw it said "sponsored by ABC Inc".

Did anyone watch Good Morning America to get the alternate endings?
Oh, I missed the commercial. I was falling asleep, and had to rewind to see who was in the casket! :eek: :rolleyes:

Yes, did any one see the alternate endings?

[sleepyjeff]

Oh, I missed the commercial. I was falling asleep, and had to rewind to see who was in the casket! :eek: :rolleyes:

Yes, did any one see the alternate endings?


Yes, but it actually just proves that the writers really don't know what they're doing or where they are going:

Sawyer in casket in alternate ending #1 and Sayid in casket in alternate ending #2

:rolleyes:

[JWBear]

I think those endings were red herrings to spoil any spoilers. I have a feeling that they always intended to have it be Locke.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Red herrings, much the same way that multiple cast members of "Dallas" were filmed shooting J.R., in order to keep the real shooter's identity a secret.



And, for fun, Jeremy Bentham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham).

Note "John Locke" in his "influence by" list.





That and:
As requested in his will, his (Jeremy Bentham's) body was preserved and stored in a wooden cabinet, termed his "Auto-icon". Originally kept by his disciple Dr. Southwood Smith,[11] it was acquired by University College London in 1850. The Auto-icon is kept on public display at the end of the South Cloisters in the main building of the College. For the 100th and 150th anniversaries of the college, the Auto-icon was brought to the meeting of the College Council, where he was listed as "present but not voting".[12] Tradition holds that if the council's vote on any motion is tied, the auto-icon always breaks the tie by voting in favour of the motion.

The Auto-icon has always had a wax head, as Bentham's head was badly damaged in the preservation process. The real head was displayed in the same case for many years, but became the target of repeated student pranks including being stolen on more than one occasion. It is now locked away securely.

Maybe they need Locke to break a tie vote?

I wonder if his head is wax. Looked kind of weird to me.

[Pirate Bill]

Part 1 of the 3 hour finale was shown again before parts 2 & 3 with an extended press conference. In the extra footage we learn the identity of the other 3 (of the 8 who made it off the plane in Jack's fabricated story).

Boone died of massive internal injuries soon after making it to the island. Libby died a few weeks later (no explanation of how). Charlie drowned a few weeks before their rescue.

So the math works out now. 8 plane survivors - 3 dead + Aaron = Oceanic 6.

[RStar]

Who new there was a hidden math quiz in this show? Go figure....

[libraryvixen]

Who new there was a hidden math quiz in this show? Go figure....

Thank goodness someone else figured it out! I'm the only asian in the world that is bad at math! lol :D

[sleepyjeff]

I think those endings were red herrings to spoil any spoilers. I have a feeling that they always intended to have it be Locke.

That's relief.........I keep having this feeling that the writers don't know what they are doing or where they are going so my first instinct when I see something like this is to think along those lines.....I so hope I am wrong with my suspicions.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Thank goodness someone else figured it out! I'm the only asian in the world that is bad at math! lol :D


Not the only one- I work with an asian guy that we tease about being bad at math.

[Stan4dSteph]

Thanks to some assclown on YouTube, I found out who was in the coffin before I even watched the episode. It was in the "Related Videos" list of the one I was watching that wasn't even anything to do with Lost! I glanced down and the still is Locke in the coffin, with the title "Locke is in the coffin." Fvcker.

Has anyone signed up on Octagon and gotten an email? I submitted my info but haven't received anything yet. I wonder if it was eaten by the spam filter.

[BarTopDancer]

Has anyone signed up on Octagon and gotten an email? I submitted my info but haven't received anything yet. I wonder if it was eaten by the spam filter.

I signed up and haven't heard back. It's not in my spam filter either.

From what it sounds like, it's something to do with ComicCon in San Diego.

Maybe one of our resident ComicCon people have some more info?

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Hmm. I recall that he was in the books as a suicide, but was likely killed by other means. I don't think the writers are leading us to conclude that he had to move the island at all.

I'm not so sure about that. Michael left the island prematurely and was unable to die (no matter the circumstances) until Jacob/Christian basically told him his destiny was fulfilled. If John was able to die, the island was done with him. (So maybe he did move the island. Or maybe he didn't.)

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Yes, but it actually just proves that the writers really don't know what they're doing or where they are going:

Sawyer in casket in alternate ending #1 and Sayid in casket in alternate ending #2

:rolleyes:]

Well, for one thing they outright said it was for red herring purposes only in the introduction to those videos, in case the real footage leaked out before the episode aired.

For another, it wasn't Sayid, it was Desmond.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

From what it sounds like, it's something to do with ComicCon in San Diego.That is exactly what I thought. Lost has a HUGE panel (audience-wise) at ComicCon SD every year.

[BarTopDancer]

Has anyone signed up on Octagon and gotten an email? I submitted my info but haven't received anything yet. I wonder if it was eaten by the spam filter.

I signed up and haven't heard back. It's not in my spam filter either.

From what it sounds like, it's something to do with ComicCon in San Diego.

Maybe one of our resident ComicCon people have some more info?

That is exactly what I thought. Lost has a HUGE panel (audience-wise) at ComicCon SD every year.

I signed up again on a whim. Below is the email I received:

Octagon Global Recruiting

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We will be launching in San Diego on July 24th at Comic-Con International offering select registrants the opportunity to take an exciting aptitude test that will give applicants the chance to demonstrate their unique talents.

The Dharma Initiative hopes you will be able to join us to find out more about their ground-breaking new research project. We will contact you closer to the date with more information.

For those not able to join us in San Diego, Dharma's full recruitment program will be made available online to registered recruits after July 27th.

In the meantime, the Dharma Initiative urges you to spread the word. Invite your colleagues to join the team at www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com and take part in this once in a lifetime opportunity.

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Nothing fancy in the images. Just a background and the logo. If anyone wants me to forward it to you PM me with your email.