Lost is back!

[RStar]

It's been nine months since the season (yeah, right. Whatever that is anymore), and if anyone still cares- it's back. Starting tonight, they are showing an enhanced version of the 2 hour season finale, and tomorrow is the two hour season premiere.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Crap. It just occurred to me, we were hoping to watch the premier in HD, but I have a class until 8:30 and we don't have any HD recording devices.. :( Oh well, the lack of commercials is a good enough consolation for not watching in HD.

[scaeagles]

I will also be forced to record it to watch later in the evening. But this does not limit my excitement and anticipation in the least.

[cirquelover]

I've had it set on my dvr for a week or two. I even called Gary to remind him! I have been hoping they would actually show it but I began to wonder with the strike and all if it was going to be postponed.

[Not Afraid]

YA KNOW, I think a good thread title opportunity was missed here.......

[Gemini Cricket]

I keep reading it as "LoT is back".

[innerSpaceman]

I've only seen the first 2 seasons. Is it worth catching up?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I've only seen the first 2 seasons. Is it worth catching up?Well, I'm totally giddy to see the next season. It got awesome again by the end of last season. But your mileage may vary, I'm not going to promise everyone would love it ;)

Let's put it this way, since the strike is still going, why not throw the 3rd season on your Netflix list and see how it goes?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I flipped to the "enhanced" version of Lost and it had a crawler mentioning plot points and tidbits. At one point Sally walked in and the scroll said "This is Sally. She and Jack have a complicated history." Hah!

[libraryvixen]

DOH!! I forgot about Pop-Up Lost tonight!!! FIE!

[BarTopDancer]

pop-up lost requires concentration. I will have to watch it again. pop-up style.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Eh, the info on there wasn't particularly enlightening. It was clearly aimed at trying to catch people who haven't seen the show until now up, not to impart anything of import to those who've been following closely.

[libraryvixen]

Eh, the info on there wasn't particularly enlightening. It was clearly aimed at trying to catch people who haven't seen the show until now up, not to impart anything of import to those who've been following closely.

Thanks GD!!! Visible Mojo!!

My TiVo... embarassingly... was taping Gauntlet III on MTV.

[RStar]

I found the pop-ups were quite helpfull. After 9 months I had forgotten about a few things (heck in that time we could have had a LoT baby!). Some was even funny. See, they don't need script writers after all! ;)

[ozron]

Tonight's pop up version wasn't nearly as helpful as the recap episodes they've done in seasons past, but it did put me in the mood.

[Stan4dSteph]

I laughed at some of the comments. I liked it. I think they're doing a recap tonight at 8 right before the new episode. Maybe that will be more like what you're looking for ozron.

[scaeagles]

I watched it last night, and had truly forgotten how spectacular I find this show to be. I say pay the writers what they want because this is damn good TV.

I did catch one thing on the pop ups that I thought was interesting. The name of the funeral parlor was "Hoffs / Drawlar" - an anagram for "flash forward".

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Yeah, I liked it too - I thought who ever wrote it (wrote it? What happened to the strike) had a genuine sense of humor. And I'd forgotten a bit about last season, so I was glad to have a jiggered memory and not have to watch one of those dreadful recap shows.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I think they're doing a recap tonight at 8 right before the new episode. Oh, sweet. So hour 1 of the 2 hour premier is just recap? That means I will be able to make it home in time to watch "live" in HD. Hooray!

[BarTopDancer]

ooo I still can't stand Juliet. And I cheered when Zep Ben got the crap kicked out of him.

I liked the pop-ups. They were amusing.

[BarTopDancer]

From LAST SEASON! Spoilers just in case someone hasn't seen it. There is a man in the rocking chair in the cabin! I read about it (and saw screen shots) last season but I wasn't convinced it wasn't photoshop. I managed to get my TiVo on the right "track" for slow motion and was able to stop it at the right moment. A man, with shortish hair and what looks to be a shirt from the 70s was sitting in the rocking chair.

[figment1986]

dont forget the teasing commercial airing after lost... around 10:50 during the new show... or was that est only?

[scaeagles]

OK - i need a bit of help. My DVR must have had a bad sector on disk or something and I lost the last couple of minutes. Can someone tells me what happened after Kate and Jack are standing in the rain and they say the thunder is getting louder? Last thing I saw.

[BarTopDancer]

OK - i need a bit of help. My DVR must have had a bad sector on disk or something and I lost the last couple of minutes. Can someone tells me what happened after Kate and Jack are standing in the rain and they say the thunder is getting louder? Last thing I saw.

SPOILER does NOT contain teaser preview information. Jack says it's not thunder.... it's a helicopter. Then they run a little but into the open, you see a helicopter with a searchlight flying around for a moment, then a person with a parachute. They run to the guy, he takes off his helmet (The same full face one as Naomi) and says "are you Jack"? Jack and Kate look at each other and then at the guy and the guy says "I'm here to rescue you"

It ran until 5 after.

[scaeagles]

Many thanks.

[Ghoulish Delight]

From LAST SEASON! Spoilers just in case someone hasn't seen it. There is a man in the rocking chair in the cabin! I read about it (and saw screen shots) last season but I wasn't convinced it wasn't photoshop. I managed to get my TiVo on the right "track" for slow motion and was able to stop it at the right moment. A man, with shortish hair and what looks to be a shirt from the 70s was sitting in the rocking chair.Yeah. That's Jacob.

[Pirate Bill]

Awesome!

So there are 6 people who make it back home. We know of 3: Jack, Kate, and now Hurley. Who could the other 3 be?

[BarTopDancer]

Awesome!

So there are 6 people who make it back home. We know of 3: Jack, Kate, and now Hurley. Who could the other 3 be?

But Is it real or a "choose your own adventure" type ending - where the choices they make on the island in days to come effect who ends up home?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Awesome!

So there are 6 people who make it back home. We know of 3: Jack, Kate, and now Hurley. Who could the other 3 be?The season finale strongly suggested that Sawyer made it, though it never mentioned him by name.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Did it, GD? If the part you're referring to is "he'll be wondering where I am..." I don't think we can say if that's an implication or a herring.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Like I said, "strongly suggested." Which is equivalent to red herring in Lost speak, of course, but that's what they want us to think right now.

[JWBear]

Have we seen The black man who visits Hurley in the mental hospital on the show before? He looked familiar.

[BarTopDancer]

Have we seen The black man who visits Hurley in the mental hospital on the show before? He looked familiar.

I thought he looked like either One of Eko's men or the Haitian on Heros (not going for the tie-in, that's who he looked like to me

[scaeagles]

Indeed he did look like your tie-in guy.

[libraryvixen]

Awesome!

So there are 6 people who make it back home. We know of 3: Jack, Kate, and now Hurley. Who could the other 3 be?

I wondered about that too? And what is Hurley not supposed to talk about. He asks Jack "Checking to see if I went nuts? Checking to see if I was going to tell?" Tell what Hurley?!?!?!

As an aside.... Charlie looked smoking hot in this episode.

[scaeagles]

Awesome!

So there are 6 people who make it back home. We know of 3: Jack, Kate, and now Hurley. Who could the other 3 be?

I'm thinking at least one of them has to be Sun. I'm also thinking if Sun is there, so is Jin. It would seem as if the guy in the casket must be one, but I'm trying to think of who no one would come see and Kate would be offended at the thought of going....perhaps Locke? I'm wondering if he someone gets ripped away from the island against his will.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I think it's best not to ruminate too much on the "six." There's way too much weird going on outside of that (i.e. "lies," "still alive," etc) to be able to make a good guess.

[sleepyjeff]

Awesome!

So there are 6 people who make it back home. We know of 3: Jack, Kate, and now Hurley. Who could the other 3 be?


I think, like GD said, that one of the other 3 is Sawyer.

Claire and Aaron would be my best guess for the last two(Desmond told Charlie he had a vision of Claire and her baby getting on a chopper).

As for our casket person. Remember, it has to be someone who Jack would not call friend or family and someone who was from New York. Only one logical answer there.....Micheal.

Micheal already left the Island so he wouldn't have to be a member of the "Oceanic 6"

Regarding Hurley: Anyone notice that he made Charlie go away the same way he made Jacobs scary moving cabin disappear?

[BarTopDancer]

I'm thinking at least one of them has to be Sun. I'm also thinking if Sun is there, so is Jin. It would seem as if the guy in the casket must be one, but I'm trying to think of who no one would come see and Kate would be offended at the thought of going....perhaps Locke? I'm wondering if he someone gets ripped away from the island against his will.

Maybe Ben.


Regarding Hurley: Anyone notice that he made Charlie go away the same way he made Jacobs scary moving cabin disappear?

Yup!

On another note, what's the general consensus on spoiler tags after the show has aired? I forgot what we did in the past.

[sleepyjeff]

Maybe Ben.



Yup!

On another note, what's the general consensus on spoiler tags after the show has aired? I forgot what we did in the past.

I'd prefer if we didn't use them once the day of the show is over....but I am not going to rock any boats:D

[JWBear]

I also vote to dispense with them once the show has aired.

[scaeagles]

Agreed.

For those that didn't see the episode yet, Jack and Kate are dead.

OK, they're not

[Pirate Bill]

I'm a little worried about the flash-forwards.

Last year there was a show called The Nine (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0801426/) that had a bank robbery in episode 1 that we saw begin and end without seeing any of the events, but these "missing" events had a dramatic effect on the people involved. So the question there was "what happened?" Each episode we would be treated with flashbacks to the robbery and learn a little bit more information to answer the question. I liked the actors, the characters, and the story, but I couldn't stand being strung along and finally dropped the show before it even got the ax from the network.

Lost has been somewhat similar, but also very different in one important factor. In The Nine, I (the audience) was the only one left clueless. The characters knew exactly what happened to them so there was nothing for them to discover. In Lost the characters have been just as clueless as me. So instead of feeling strung along I feel like I'm part of the group, discovering new information along with the castaways or sometimes even before.

But if we're going to be getting flash-forwards now instead of flashbacks I'm concerned that it's going to have the same problem as The Nine.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

http://www.tmz.com/2008/02/01/lost-diary-the-beginning-of-the-end/

Cool recap of the show.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh SNAP! According to the screenshot in that recap, the dude in the chair in Jacob's cabin was....Jack's dad!!!

[Pirate Bill]

And according to Lostpedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Beginning_of_the_End) there was more that I missed.

That was Charlie that broke the glass in the police station with "They need you" written on his hand.

Locke's coworker Randy was there at the scene of the chase.

[BarTopDancer]

Oh SNAP! According to the screenshot in that recap, the dude in the chair in Jacob's cabin was....Jack's dad!!!

Here (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/11-frames-of-jacob.html) are the frames of the mystery man from last season.

ETA - sorry, I re-read the screen shot. I know they were talking about that last season - being Christian Shepard. Does anyone else find the name Christian Shepard a bit to coincidental with the science vs. faith sub-storyline between Jack and Locke?

[sleepyjeff]

Btw....just a cute bit of trivia that someone pointed out to me about Thursday nights show.

Game of Horse and Jack stopped at H O.

Charlie was spotted by Hurley near the Ho Ho 's.



So what you say?

Convert H and O to their repective numerical placement in the Alphabet.

:cool:

[JWBear]

There was also an H and O (sorta) on the wall when the "lawyer" was visiting Hurley.

http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/a/a1/4x01_HurleyHO.jpg/800px-4x01_HurleyHO.jpg

Also, The guy filming Hurley's crash and arrest is Randy, Locke's boss at the box factory, and Hurley's boss at Mr Clucks.

http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/1/10/RandyFFfilm.jpg

And check out what's on this chalkboard!

http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/7/70/4x01_BoardHatchMural.jpg

[sleepyjeff]

Cool.......

[BarTopDancer]

"What is the smoke monster?!?!"
"I don't know!"

NICE!

Last night was awesome.

WTF was a polar bear and a hydra bear collar doing in the desert?

[Gn2Dlnd]

I doubt that we'll revisit desert polar bear, but, wouldn't it be interesting to know if the dig eventually reveals the bullet from Sawyer's gun?

[BarTopDancer]

I doubt that we'll revisit desert polar bear, but, wouldn't it be interesting to know if the dig eventually reveals the bullet from Sawyer's gun?

I'm still trying to figure out if it was a flash back or a flash forward. She was super excited to find the bracelet.

Also seem to recall seeing the first helicopter dude (forgot his name) in a previous season.

And what the heck was the mission? Scary dude seemed to know they were alive on the island.

I wonder if they are from Dharma - and they want Ben because Ben killed their people. Maybe that's why he had a gas mask.

[Pirate Bill]

I wonder if they are from Dharma - and they want Ben because Ben killed their people. Maybe that's why he had a gas mask.

That's been my theory ever since the final episode last season. It's Dharma making their return. This team's objective is to take out the hostiles before the rest of the scientists are sent.

Lock initiated this "rescue mission" when he entered 77 into the Flame station's computer.

[scaeagles]

If the mission was to secure the island from hostiles, the group would certainly have a larger militaristic orientation.

Perhaps ghost man is there to communicate with Jacob?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I loved the dustbuster ghostbuster.

[JWBear]

This episode was chock full of tasty bizarreness.

[libraryvixen]

Perhaps ghost man is there to communicate with Jacob?

I never thought about that! Fie... more to think about!!

[sleepyjeff]

There's like a 100 questions in this show that Ben should have the answers to and what info does he impart to this loyal audience of 3+ years who have waited nearly a year in between seasons for???

The resume' of someone who just arrived:mad:

Stay tuned next week when Sawyer dons a leather jacket and skiis:rolleyes:

[scaeagles]

I love this show.

So....I figure Ben can't be one of the Oceanic Six, so I'm wondering who the other two are. I figured after a while that was who was pulling Sayid's strings, but I'm a little shocked that Ben is off the island.

That girl sure played Sayid, huh? Well written.

Can't wait, as always, to see what happens next week.

[libraryvixen]

Sayid has a list eh? Didn't Michael have a list too?

And why did Sayid's new girl have a bracelet that looked like Naomis?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Sayid has a list eh? Didn't Michael have a list too?

And why did Sayid's new girl have a bracelet that looked like Naomis?
Clearly whomever hired Naomi is who Ben is trying to take out using Sayid.

Most interesting question to my mind that was raised in this episode...31 minute time warp, eh?

[libraryvixen]

Most interesting question to my mind that was raised in this episode...31 minute time warp, eh?

I love the new spastic Daniel character.

What's on the ship? I can't wait for next week. Also, Kate and Sawyer play house (hopefully not on Ben's bed... ugh).

[Pirate Bill]

Most interesting question to my mind that was raised in this episode...31 minute time warp, eh?

That is indeed the most interesting thing to me too and I've been having a very challenging time trying to wrap my brain around it.

Did I see that right? Is the watch on the rocket payload 31 minutes ahead?

If so, the girl on the ship (can't remember her name) saw the rocket touch down on her display. Therefore, she is 31 minutes in the future. So how do they communicate in real time? Also, Daniel's watch should be set to ship time, not island time. So you'd think his watch would have the same time as the rocket payload. This is frying my brain.

Or...the ship time and island time are the same and somehow the rocket entered a rip in time and traveled backward 31 minutes. Which doesn't really make any sense at all.

This would have been much easier to think about if the rocket payload time was 31 minutes behind, not ahead. Now I need to watch it again.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Ben f'n with Sayiid in the future - grr.

Seeing the core group tricking each other and really being at odds is serious business.

Future Sayiid sex god/hitman....pretty damn hot.

[cirquelover]

I was honestly disappointed to see Sayiid being a hit man. Then I was horrified to see he was working for Ben.
I always suspected it was Ben in the casket, because no one wanted to go to the funeral that knew him and no one else on the planet knows he exists, he was born on the island after all.

I have no idea what to think about the time warp but I'm not very scientific in the first place.

So does this mean we know the Oceanic 6 now?! I think so, but the husband disagrees that Ben is a known rescued survivor.

[Ghoulish Delight]

This would have been much easier to think about if the rocket payload time was 31 minutes behind, not ahead. Now I need to watch it again.
I believe the rocket was behind.

[scaeagles]

I don't think Ben is one of the Oceanic 6. He wasn't on the plane. But it does make one wonder how he gets back to the mainland.

[sleepyjeff]

So does this mean we know the Oceanic 6 now?! I think so, but the husband disagrees that Ben is a known rescued survivor.

So far we pretty much know that Hurley, Kate, Jack, and now Sayid are members of the 6. We also see Desmond get off the Island in the helicopter but he was not on the flight so he can't be a member of the "Oceanic" 6. Nor can Ben.

The other two, if you ask me, will be Aaron and Claire as per Desmonds Flash.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I bet Aaron and Clair only count as 1. I'm still betting Sawyer.

[RStar]

I bet Aaron and Clair only count as 1.
That's kinda sucky if that is the case. I mean Aaron is still a "soul" and would count if he died in a crash.

I've suspected for some time that a time/space issue has been behind the mysteries behind the island. These are some of my questions:

*Were they holding transportation experiments that caused the time/space weirdness?

*Was that polar bear transported to the desert (and burried there in the past)?

*Can Ben and the others be transported off the island at will?

*Is that how they got Lock's dad there, and is the magic box the transporter?

*Why is the 31 minutes so "bad"? Is the warp growing?

*And is that how they hide the island, in a slight time shift that should only be seconds but is growing?

*Is Jacob stuck in a time shift that's out of phase?

[JWBear]

...I always suspected it was Ben in the casket, because no one wanted to go to the funeral that knew him and no one else on the planet knows he exists, he was born on the island after all....

No, he wasn't. He came to the island as a boy with his father.

Link (http://www.tv.com/lost/the-man-behind-the-curtain/episode/1019477/summary.html?tag=ep_list;ep_title;19)

[cirquelover]

I remember Bens dad hated him because he blamed Ben for his Mothers death. She died giving birth to him. Wasn't that on the island? I'm almost positve that Ben was one of the true "natives".

I also don't think Aaron would count as an Oceanic six technically because he wasn't on the manifest either. He was born on the island, that much I know I remember;)

[scaeagles]

Nope - they only talked about it on the island. There was a flashback to the mainland with Ben's dad and mom on the side of a highway or something like that - she went into labor and died.

[RStar]

Yes, Ben was born off the side of a highway, not on the island. Ben's dad then got a job on the island with the Darma people and he and Ben moved there. That's when Bens dad got his shirt that said "workman" and he said that he "didn't join up to just be a workman".

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Ben f'n with Sayiid in the future - grr.

Seeing the core group tricking each other and really being at odds is serious business.

Future Sayiid sex god/hitman....pretty damn hot.

Ditto, on all counts. You took the words right outta my fingers.

[sleepyjeff]

I remember Bens dad hated him because he blamed Ben for his Mothers death. She died giving birth to him. Wasn't that on the island? I'm almost positve that Ben was one of the true "natives".



You should know this;)



[She gives birth. A baby begins to cry.]

ROGER: It's a boy! You did it.

EMILY: It hurts.

[Roger hands her the crying baby. She collapses back, her face pained.]

ROGER: You did it.

EMILY: Roger, it hurts.

ROGER: Emily, no-one knows we're out here, we gotta get back, okay honey? Can you hold onto the baby? Emily! Can you hold the baby? Hold him tight.

[Roger picks up Emily and begins to carry her through the woods. He emerges on a highway. A sign says: Portland -32]

From losttv-forum.com/

How many miles outside of Portland do you live:)

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

RE: the time warp - I recall Ben telling the pilot to stay on the same course when he flew out. That could mean they got "Lucky" and found an avenue in? Maybe the warp is what caused the plane crash in the first place.

I can't believe I've been sucked into Lost. Damnit!

[RStar]

RE: the time warp - I recall Ben telling the pilot to stay on the same course when he flew out. That could mean they got "Lucky" and found an avenue in? Maybe the warp is what caused the plane crash in the first place.

I can't believe I've been sucked into Lost. Damnit!

That was my thought also.

I think the 180 minute timer hatch machine kept the phase shift off by a set and stable amount (most likely a portion of a second), thereby keeping the island and the Darma people (and their experiments) off anyone's radar. The hatch explosion and the equipment keeping it regulated, may have caused the time shift to enlarge. They said it would "save the world" to keep pressing the button every 180 minutes. Well, the world hasn't ended, but can it still be in danger? Can the time bubble not only be expanding by time (now at 31 minutes) but also be spreading outward to eventually reach the rest of the globe?

[cirquelover]

You should know this;)



How many miles outside of Portland do you live:)

I think I'm about 100 miles south but yeah I should've remembered!

[RStar]

Oh, that's right! It was Portland!

[Pirate Bill]

I believe the rocket was behind.

I double-checked and the timer on the rocket was 31 minutes ahead of Daniel's watch.

There are a couple theories that I have read about that can explain this.

1. Time on the island is slower than time in the outside.

This explains why Richard Alpert hasn't aged. Why "ghost Walt" is taller (he's off the island). Maybe even why Aaron is growing so fast (children age at the standard rate while adults don't). But it doesn't explain how they are able to communicate with the outside in real time. The voices from the ship would be frequency shifted up.

Also, GPS uses time to triangulate positions. Highly accurate time pieces are required for better precision. If time on the island were slower then the GPS phone and transponders would not accurately show their locations. And if they were off by as much as 31 minutes it would probably not even locate them on earth.

2. There's a curve in time surrounding the island that varies by trajectory.

This can explain things much better. If some trajectories off the island don't have a time dilation then communications are still possible given that radio waves travel in all directions. But then there would still be echoes making communications difficult. And, as was pointed out above, why Daniel made sure to tell the pilot to follow the exact course they came in on.

[BarTopDancer]

Anyone else remember the old time music Sayid and Hurley picked up either last season or the season before?

[libraryvixen]

Ditto, on all counts. You took the words right outta my fingers.

Agreed with both you and CP!!

[RStar]

Anyone else remember the old time music Sayid and Hurley picked up either last season or the season before?

Yes, I had forgotten that!

And good points, Bill!

If they created something to time shift, perhaps they figured out a way to comunicate through it. This sure keeps ones mind going, doesn't it? :D

[scaeagles]

OK....that opens a can of worms, eh?

I guess Aaron is one of the Oceanic 6? Perhaps he doesn't count. Regardless, this makes me wonder.....did Claire voluntarily give up Aaron? Doubt that. It Claire dead? Perhaps. Did Kate kidnap Aaron? Maybe, but if so, why?

Or, perhaps, the child is hers (though he's awefully big) and she named him after Aaron? The only reason I suggest that is because Jack obviously has issues with the boy, but I don't really think that's the case.

Is this the person Kate referred to in the season finally when she said "He'll be wondering where I am."?

Perhaps something happened to Claire that Jack couldn't prevent so he doesn't want to see Aaron.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

:eek:

CLAIRE!! Noooooo!!!


I love that this show still manages to shock and horrify me :)

Is the time rift large enough that the helicopter could disappear for a day? Did they land elsewhere? They can't be dead, Sayiid lives, and of course the helicopter has to rescue 6 of them.

Locke is losing it, big time.

I didn't listen to Jack's courtroom story too closely after the first part, need to go back for that.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I didn't catch on the first run-through whether Jack said "8 survived" or "80". 80 seems higher than the total ever was, even including the tailies. So it must have been 8. Big ol' lie there, never mind the lie of landing in the water (of course, there's the plane that IS at the bottom of the ocean).

[Pirate Bill]

As soon as the lawyer mentioned that he wanted to use Kate's "son" as a character witness I knew that it was Aaron. That made the final payoff a little more delicious.

Jack's statement was that the plane crashed in the water with 8 survivors and Kate was the hero, pulling people out of the water and giving first aid.

My theory is that in this fabricated story Claire was one of the 8, but she died during childbirth and Kate adopted Aaron. I wonder who the other dead survivor is though. And I don't think Aaron is counted as one of the Oceanic 6.

[ozron]

Ben was born in a wooded area 32 miles outside of Portland. I'm thinking the Gorge - near Multnomah Falls.

A few thoughts...

The celebrity status of the "Oceanic 6" - there was obviously a great deal of publicity surrounding their return from the island. Everyone knows who they are. Their story has been told. Or has it?

Jack's testimony at Kate's trial is a cover story. A well rehearsed cover story that the "6" would have to have agreed on and stuck to: the water landing, eight survivors, two of whom died...

Why?

The rest of the group? "Are they still alive?" They've disappeared - the phantom antagonist doesn't know their fate - they are dead (doubtful) or very, very well hidden.

Again, why?

The funeral in Jack's flash forward was unattended and ignored, with only a small obit in the paper. This was not one of the "6" (celebrity status, remember?) But it was someone secretly connected with the island.

And let's not forget Claire's back story. Aaron is possibly the antichrist. Claire is either dead, gave him up voluntarily, or he was taken from her.

I think there's only one thing we know for sure.

Something happens.

[sleepyjeff]

Ben was born in a wooded area 32 miles outside of Portland. I'm thinking the Gorge - near Multnomah Falls.

Lost Lake is almost exactly 32 miles from the very edge of Portland's city limits--as the crow flies.


The funeral in Jack's flash forward was unattended and ignored, with only a small obit in the paper. This was not one of the "6" (celebrity status, remember?) But it was someone secretly connected with the island.

I agree.....can't be one of the 6. It must either be Ben or Micheal imho.

And let's not forget Claire's back story. Aaron is possibly the antichrist. Claire is either dead, gave him up voluntarily, or he was taken from her.



Yes, I got the impression that Jack wasn't merely "uncomfortable" with seeing Aaron but almost scared to.......could Aaron be the "IT" that Hurley refers to during the game of horse? Was Kate not wanting her mom to see Aaron more about protecting her mom than it was about protecting the baby?

[Pirate Bill]

Lost Lake is almost exactly 32 miles from the very edge of Portland's city limits--as the crow flies.
You just blew my mind with that little revelation. Now I need to plan a family picnic there for when the weather gets warmer. :)

[BarTopDancer]

Kate had a look when she picked up Aaron too. And it wasn't a motherly/love look. Aaron looked to be 2 or 3. So this flash forward was 2 or 3 years later. No beard on Jack, so I am guessing this is before his flash forward. Maybe Jack's flash forward was the final flash forward and the rest are forward/backs.

[sleepyjeff]

Well, most people who study Lost agree that last weeks episode was Christmas Day 2004 on the Island...Locke was even making a dinner for everyone...

That means that this next episode or possible the one after will be 12/26/2004, the day of the killer Tsunami.

In real life the Tsunami orgininated in the Sundra Trench, which just happens to be the same place our Losties Plane(or a copy) was discovered.

I wonder if the event will have importance to the shows story.

[sleepyjeff]

Lost Lake is almost exactly 32 miles from the very edge of Portland's city limits--as the crow flies.





You just blew my mind with that little revelation. Now I need to plan a family picnic there for when the weather gets warmer. :)

That blew your mind.....just wait; In last weeks episode we have a man named "Miles" asking for 3.2 million dollars from Ben..........code much I think:)

[BarTopDancer]

20 points for whoever called time travel first. At first I was thinking astralprojection, and I was going to be very annoyed. I'm glad we know more about the boat and the people on it.

It seems that they are answering more questions [while giving us more] than seasons past.

[JWBear]

And with Desmond, Sayid, and the guy wearing the tank top... I dub it "The Ship of Male Hotness".

ETA: Tank Top guy's name is Keamy, and he's played by Kevin Durand (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0243806/).

[Ghoulish Delight]

That was awesome. Explains a lot. Sort of.

[Pirate Bill]

In last weeks episode we have a man named "Miles" asking for 3.2 million dollars from Ben..........code much I think:)

Yipes! I never put that together. It might be code, but I think it's more of an easter egg.

So, according to Daniel, time is perceived differently on the island. Yet, the calendar on the ship shows exactly the right number of days that the castaways have experienced. The more answers we get the more confused I get. Maybe Charlotte is right. "We don't want to confuse them."

I need Daniel to pull out a chalk board, start from the top, and draw it all out.

[Ghoulish Delight]

So, according to Daniel, time is perceived differently on the island. Yet, the calendar on the ship shows exactly the right number of days that the castaways have experienced. The more answers we get the more confused I get. Maybe Charlotte is right. "We don't want to confuse them."

I read it as, time seemed different for those in the helicopter. Sayid pointed out that they left at dusk and landed in daylight. So while those in the chopper felt that only a few minutes had passed, a day+ had actually passed. I don't think there's necessarily a time difference between on the island and off the island (otherwise those phone calls wouldn't work). But in-transit is when things go weird.

[JWBear]

According to Lostapedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Constant), it was December 24th on the ship, but December 26th on the island.

[Pirate Bill]

I read it as, time seemed different for those in the helicopter.

That makes sense.

According to Lostapedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Constant), it was December 24th on the ship, but December 26th on the island.

I'm thinking that nobody has marked the calendar for the past 2 days. The calendar is in the communications room that got destroyed. Now that room is off-limits. Minkowski was probably the one marking the calendar but he's been tied up since the 24th.

[Pirate Bill]

Wait, on second thought...Desmond called Penny from the boat and it really was Dec 24. Where did that "day 96" number come from anyway? The islanders? I haven't seen them marking any trees or calendar of their own, so it's likely they just lost count and are off by a couple days.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Desmond, talking to Penny, after 8 years....Penny continuing to look and believe....Desmond reconciling past and future....intense. :snap:

[JWBear]

Wait, on second thought...Desmond called Penny from the boat and it really was Dec 24. Where did that "day 96" number come from anyway? The islanders? I haven't seen them marking any trees or calendar of their own, so it's likely they just lost count and are off by a couple days.

Jack and Juliet remarked that the helicopter took off over a day ago.

The online Lost community has been keeping track of the dates since the begining. The fan calculated date has been confirmed, at least once that I know of, by the producers. I feel it's safe to say that it is the 96th day on the island.

Oh... In the last episode, Locke was cooking dinner for everyone in the village. It was Christmas dinner per the production staff.

[BarTopDancer]

That was good!

I'm a bit confused though. At the beginning, Juliet and Harper were talking about Juliet being big news because she survived a plane crash (so at first I thought it was a FF). But she wasn't on the plane (and it was a FB).

[scaeagles]

It wasn't because she survived a crash....it was because she was there to solve their problem.

[libraryvixen]

Anyone else think that "Date Ben" is creepy? Ugh... I wouldn't accept ham from that man.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

1) We were supposed to think it was a flash forward ("feel like a celebrity" et al) but then Mr. Friendly came in and they revealed that it was a flashback to her first arrival to the island.

2) Yes, yes, YES "Date Ben" totally made me feel uncomfortable. I think we were supposed to feel that way, too.

[RStar]

According to Lostapedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Constant), it was December 24th on the ship, but December 26th on the island.

Dang, they missed Christmas! That sucks! ;)

[libraryvixen]

Tonight's episode was a total mind fvck. Damn the coinciding flashback/flashforward

[Ghoulish Delight]

Sneaky bastards.

So that's 5. And obviously Erin doesn't count if they wanted us to think Jin was #6.

I caught a snippet of the "coming next week" after the last episode, so I had guessed that Michael would make an appearance (all I heard was, "Someone you never expected to see"). I didn't even think to make the "Ben's man on the boat" connection. I gotta assume he's staying in character, not that he's actually forgotten.

[scaeagles]

I had suspected the spy was Michael when Ben told Locke to "sit down" when he asked him an episode or so ago. I would guess he's staying in character as well.

That really caught me by surprise that furture Jin is dead.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

We're starting to get good at guessing what's going on. I knew partway through that something was off about the fact that we never heard the other side of Jin's phone call and had yet to see them together. Tom guessed that due to this, Jin was not #6. But I didn't not guess that he was dead - and for the first time in years, I cried while watching TV.

We are pondering that it's possible Jin is not actually dead, but rather, trapped on the island. He definitely didn't die after coming back; the gravestone lists his death as being part of the crash - and as yet, we're not clear whether he died between that episode and the helicopter flight, or if he is simply stuck on the island.

[RStar]

If Jin diddn't leave the island, then why would he have a grave? And why would Sun and Hurley visit it like a ritual? Sun even said "Is anyone else comming?". But it also looks like people may not actually die the way we think of it. So many that have died have shown up again later.

[scaeagles]

Perhaps he is still just on the Island and not actually dead. Good thought. I don't believe she ever said he was dead, just that she missed him, but Hurley did say "I guess we should go visit him or something."

[Ghoulish Delight]

People who go missing and are presumed dead are buried without bodies all the time. Or they could have buried the impostor body from the staged wreckage (staged by Ben, as implied by the ship's captain). Whether he was actually dead, or just still on the island, Sun would be in a position to never see him again, so he might as well be dead to her.

[Pirate Bill]

I've been trying to avoid spoilers all season. I do normally watch the teasers though because in the past they haven't ever given enough away to spoil things. However, I felt that Michael being the man on the boat has been spoiled for a long time. The writers/producers gave away the fact that Michael was coming back this season during a panel at some convention (the one where they showed the Orchid video). They made this announcement just moments before begging the viewers to please help others avoid spoilers. :rolleyes: Knowing this makes all other "hints" completely obvious. Ben saying he has a man on the inside. The teaser saying we'll see someone we haven't expected to see. It all pointed to Michael.

Very cool flashforward/flashback interplay there. It had me fooled the whole time until Jin mentioned he had only been married a couple months. There was one clue that, had I been intimately familiar with the Chinese zodiac (or Wikipedia at my fingertips) I would have caught it. The store owner that sold Jin the panda mentioned that it was the year of the dragon...2000 according to Wikipedia. Ji Yeon would have been born in 2005, the year of the rooster.

It's interesting that the grave marker has his date of death as 2004-9-22, the day of the crash. So, yeah, I'm wondering if he's really alive or dead.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

It's stupid, but I'm posting it (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname) anyway.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Hahah, I'm "Math Boy"!

[RStar]

I'm glad I'm not on the island as I'd be Milquetoast. :rolleyes:

Ok, about Jin. He was just married 2 months, yet he worked for a Auto company (delivering the panda to a potential client). But at that point he worked for Suns father, right? Before that he worked as a door man at the hotel where the first met. So what's up? An alternat reality/timeline???

[JWBear]

I just watched last night's episode.

If Jin is really dead, then damn you, Lost producers.... DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!! :mad:

[cirquelover]

I'm glad I'm not on the island as I'd be Milquetoast. :rolleyes:

I was Milquetoast as well. I'm not sure what that means though.

[RStar]

I was Milquetoast as well. I'm not sure what that means though.

milque·toast- a very timid, unassertive, spineless person, esp. one who is easily dominated or intimidated: as in a milquetoast who's afraid to ask for a raise.

Also Caspar Milquetoast.

An indication of the effect on the English language of popular culture is the adoption of names from the comic strips as English words. Casper Milquetoast, created by Harold Webster in 1924, was a timid and retiring man named for a timid food. The first instance of milquetoast as a common noun is found in the mid-1930s. Milquetoast thus joins the ranks of other such words, including sad sack, from a blundering army private invented by George Baker in 1942, and Wimpy, from J. Wellington Wimpy in the Popeye comic strip, which became a trade name for a hamburger. If we look to a related form of popular culture, the animated cartoon, we must of course acknowledge Mickey Mouse, which has become a slang term for something that is easy, insignificant, small-time, worthless, or petty.

Sawyer's nicknames aren't very nice......:evil:

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I'm glad I'm not on the island as I'd be Milquetoast. :rolleyes:

Ok, about Jin. He was just married 2 months, yet he worked for a Auto company (delivering the panda to a potential client). But at that point he worked for Suns father, right? Before that he worked as a door man at the hotel where the first met. So what's up? An alternat reality/timeline???Seemed to me that he was delivering the panda for Sun's dad in some fashion, hence the urgency and the deep bowing.

[Gn2Dlnd]

milque·toast- a very timid, unassertive, spineless person, esp. one who is easily dominated or intimidated: as in a milquetoast who's afraid to ask for a raise.

Also Caspar Milquetoast.

An indication of the effect on the English language of popular culture is the adoption of names from the comic strips as English words. Casper Milquetoast, created by Harold Webster in 1924, was a timid and retiring man named for a timid food. The first instance of milquetoast as a common noun is found in the mid-1930s. Milquetoast thus joins the ranks of other such words, including sad sack, from a blundering army private invented by George Baker in 1942, and Wimpy, from J. Wellington Wimpy in the Popeye comic strip, which became a trade name for a hamburger. If we look to a related form of popular culture, the animated cartoon, we must of course acknowledge Mickey Mouse, which has become a slang term for something that is easy, insignificant, small-time, worthless, or petty.

Sawyer's nicknames aren't very nice......:evil:

Yeah, he called me peachfuzz. (!?)

Re: names becoming common words, I've always wondered if Jiminy Crickets! was an exclamation, or an appellation, first. Also, malapropism. Named for Mrs. Malaprop, from the play, The Rivals, or was she named from the word?

[JWBear]

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malapropism):

The word malapropos, an adjective or adverb meaning "inappropriate" or "inappropriately", derived from the French phrase mal à propos (literally "wrong on purpose"), is believed to have entered English usage around 1660. The term "malapropism" however, is generally attributed to the public reaction to Richard Brinsley Sheridan's 1775 play The Rivals, and in particular the character Mrs. Malaprop. Sheridan presumably named his character Mrs. Malaprop, who frequently misspoke (to great comic effect), in joking reference to the word "malapropos." The new term "malapropism" was coined to designate the specific kind of mistake, or inappropriate usage, Mrs. Malaprop frequently made.

[CoasterMatt]

My "Sawyer" nickname is Quickie...

[libraryvixen]

Much like LSPE, I was thinking that Jin stayed on the island too. The thing he said to Sun about protecting his wife and baby... maybe it's what he had to do to ensure that they both got off the island.

[sleepyjeff]

Or they could have buried the impostor body from the staged wreckage (staged by Ben, as implied by the ship's captain).

We were told not to trust the Captain....so I am not buying the whole staged wreckage theory yet.

As for what is happening to the people on that freighter.....I dont buy "cabin fever" like the captain said. This is something much more sinister. That woman just wrapped herself in chains and walked into the Ocean for Pete's sake:eek: By the look of that room Sayid and Desmond were sent to with the blood stains on the wall it looks like she wasn't the first to take her own life either.

I can't decide if what is happening on that ship is more like the famous play Waiting for Godot or if it is more similar to the Stephan King short story The Jaunt

Speaking of literature, the book that the suicidal woman was reading before she took the plunge was Survivors of the Chancellor by Jules Verne. Jules Verne also wrote another interesting book called The Mysterious Island

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm assuming that the people who are going crazy are probably jumping around in time like Desmond and like the communications officer.

[sleepyjeff]

I'm assuming that the people who are going crazy are probably jumping around in time like Desmond and like the communications officer.

That could be....but I got the impression that it was somethig different.....Minkowski and Desmond, although in a pretty bad way, didn't seem suicidal.

[FEJ]

I think that Miles knows another way off the Island and he was telling Ben that with the 3.2 million. 3, 2, 5 zeros (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/325)
That is also the coordinates that Michael was told to use to leave the island in season 2.
Either that or maybe that is the way to the second Island where Jack, Sawyer and Kate were taken to.
Miles may also know that Michael is Ben's spy.

as for the coordinates that the helicopter followed 305 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/305), Maybe Ecko was trying to tell Locke (John 3:05) how to get off the island.

I am so sucked back into Lost, and can't wait for the next episode.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I think that Miles knows another way off the Island and he was telling Ben that with the 3.2 million. 3, 2, 5 zeros (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/325)
That is also the coordinates that Michael was told to use to leave the island in season 2.
Either that or maybe that is the way to the second Island where Jack, Sawyer and Kate were taken to.
Miles may also know that Michael is Ben's spy.

as for the coordinates that the helicopter followed 305 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/305), Maybe Ecko was trying to tell Locke (John 3:05) how to get off the island.

I am so sucked back into Lost, and can't wait for the next episode.

Ooh-lah-lah, this was a fun post to read. Lost is better than ever, this season. Big spankin' love for this show.

[sleepyjeff]

I think that Miles knows another way off the Island and he was telling Ben that with the 3.2 million. .

I am so sucked back into Lost, and can't wait for the next episode.

That is the popular theory out there right now....I am still in the camp that it has something to do with the fact that Ben was born near a sign that read Portland - 32...that would be 32 "Miles" ;)

Regarding Miles; remember his visit to the old ladies house? Before he went up the stairs the camera focused on the Wall with all of the pictures. After he did whatever he did up stairs when he came back down the camera once again lingered on the wall with pictures.

The photographs themselves were all the same........the frames, however, were quite different:eek:

1) Miles was not up there long enough for the Grandmother to change out so many pictures from wooden frames to metal.

2) No way was this a production error. Way too many frames and the wall wasn't just a random background; they deliberately focused on that wall both before and after Miles did his dustbuster thing.

3) Somehow, someway, Miles must have changed the timeline while talking to the "ghost" in that room.

[Ghoulish Delight]

That could be....but I got the impression that it was somethig different.....Minkowski and Desmond, although in a pretty bad way, didn't seem suicidal.Desmond was headed that way, had he not found his constant.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

WTF? (http://www.lostisagame.com/) Has this already been posted here? It's cracking me up.

[sleepyjeff]

Desmond was headed that way, had he not found his constant.

I disagree. He was acting like he would end up like Mikowski...dead with a brain anurism not suicide.

WTF? (http://www.lostisagame.com/) Has this already been posted here? It's cracking me up.

I saw that a few months ago.....they do make a convincing case but if that turns out to be where this show is going I along with a lot of others will feel totally cheated:mad:

[JWBear]

O...M...G...

[Ghoulish Delight]

That was craaazy.

[JWBear]

I think I just figured out whose funeral Jack attended.....

[BarTopDancer]

Double U Tee Efff

[JWBear]

It was nice to see the internet speculation about Tom being gay has been confirmed.

[Pirate Bill]

According to the preview for the next episodes (starting again April 24th) they are saying all 6 of the Oceanic 6 have been revealed. They're counting Aaron as one.

That was one wild ride last night. Yay! A Libby sighting!

[BarTopDancer]

Previews are evil! :(

[BarTopDancer]

It was nice to see the internet speculation about Tom being gay has been confirmed.

That was very cool. I love how they did it too. No "drama" leading up to it. It just is.

[RStar]

I think I was dozeing off a bit, didn't I see Michael die in a flashback? And now the French chick is dead, as well as Bens' :eek: her daughters' boyfreind. Wait, not Bens' boyfreind- his daughter with the French chick. Eww.

I love how they always give us answers, but then also give us more questions to keep us going. This show is the mother of all mystery TV shows!!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Alex is not actually Ben's daughter.

And you saw Michael try to kill himself but fail.

[RStar]

Alex is not actually Ben's daughter.

And you saw Michael try to kill himself but fail.

Was Alex born on the island? I forget. So why is Ben calling her his daughter (and Alex say it at the end) then?

I'll need to watch it again, I thought I saw him killed (I saw the several suicide attemps fail). I probably dreamed it up...

[BarTopDancer]

Alex was born on the island to Danielle. Danielle told us (I think in Season 1 or 2) that Alex's dad died shortly after they crashed on the island. The Others kidnapped Alex and Ben has been raising her since a few days after her birth.

[JWBear]

Daniell was shot in the shoulder. I have a feeling she isn't dead.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm thinking Ben's behind the shooting. He gives them a route, and the two people trying to take Alex away from him get picked off. Coincidence? No such thing when Ben's involved.

[BarTopDancer]

GD, I thought the same thing.

Did they say why Whitmore didn't want anyone to find the island?

[sleepyjeff]

Here's what I don't get.

Micheal.

From the time Micheal left the Island until Naomi parachuted onto the Island only 20-25 days have gone by.

How did he go from the South Pacific all the way to NY, deal with customs, get a new apartment, drop Walt off with granny, have time for arguments and self loathing, multiple suicide attempts, healed from a car crash, meet Tom, get hired on the boat (that we were told was a hand picked crew by Naomi and Addabon) fly to Fiji, sail on the freighter all to meet back less than 4 weeks island time?

Wouldn't the hospital stay alone take that long?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm thinking Ben's behind the shooting. He gives them a route, and the two people trying to take Alex away from him get picked off. Coincidence? No such thing when Ben's involved.

Oh, I definitely think he's responsible, sending them to "safety" after eeeevily eye-balling how that boy was holding Danielle's waist. Granted, he doesn't want her to get pregnant and DIE, but I think he overreacted a bit with all the shooting. Heh.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Here's what I don't get.

Micheal.

From the time Micheal left the Island until Naomi parachuted onto the Island only 20-25 days have gone by.

How did he go from the South Pacific all the way to NY, deal with customs, get a new apartment, drop Walt off with granny, have time for arguments and self loathing, multiple suicide attempts, healed from a car crash, meet Tom, get hired on the boat (that we were told was a hand picked crew by Naomi and Addabon) fly to Fiji, sail on the freighter all to meet back less than 4 weeks island time?

Wouldn't the hospital stay alone take that long?I'd say your first few points (namely, getting back and dealing with entry) were probably taken care of by Ben's people. Somehow I doubt he got back in the country in any sort of official way, seeing as he'd been declared dead and all. But yeah, that did seem to be a rather miraculous recovery from the car accident. Island Magic I suppose is the only answer we have right now (or bad writing).

[Cadaverous Pallor]

What I find interesting is that everything crazy that's happened up until now could theortically be explained by science. Smoke monster? Sure, smoke monster machine. But a gun and bullets from a pawn shop that doesn't blow your head off, now you're talking Big Magic. (it just occured to me that maybe pawn guy is in on it...)

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

What I find interesting is that everything crazy that's happened up until now could theortically be explained by science. Smoke monster? Sure, smoke monster machine. But a gun and bullets from a pawn shop that doesn't blow your head off, now you're talking Big Magic. (it just occured to me that maybe pawn guy is in on it...)

Well, there wast that pawn shop woman in Desmond's flashback.

But, at this point I think it's pretty clear that the Island is magical. Possibly even sentient. Ponder, ponder.

Also, though it seems obvious to me that Ben set up the shooting, I also think they writers may want us to think that, especially after Juliet's episode. We don't know where Frank is, or those gun happy troops from the boat. They could have knocked off the two, and held off shooting Danielle. If it were Ben's people, they wouldn't shoot her. And if they are Whitmore's people, they may keep her alive as a hostage, since she's Ben's "daughter."

[sleepyjeff]

I'd say your first few points (namely, getting back and dealing with entry) were probably taken care of by Ben's people. Somehow I doubt he got back in the country in any sort of official way, seeing as he'd been declared dead and all. But yeah, that did seem to be a rather miraculous recovery from the car accident. Island Magic I suppose is the only answer we have right now (or bad writing).


You know what, it's even worse than what I stated. Micheal left the Island on day 67. Ben called Micheal sometime before day 82(the day the others left otherville)....that's only 15 days!

Wait, it gets better....
Daniel, Frank, and Miles' flashbacks prove that the wreckage was found two months after the plane went missing, ok? That's 60 days.

So, Michael got all the way home, tried to commit suicide, twice, meets Tom in the alley--before he then saw the news report of the plane wreckage:eek:

60 minus 67 equals negative 7.

[Pirate Bill]

Did they say why Whitmore didn't want anyone to find the island?

Tom and Ben have said he plans to exploit it for personal gain.

CP - I think Tom switched guns on him and gave him a gun without a firing pin.

sleepyjeff - The timeline definitely seems screwy. That was bugging me throughout the episode. It just seems like the writers tried to cram too much into too little time. Unless this is some strange island time vs real time phenomenon.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Tom and Ben have said he plans to exploit it for personal gain.

CP - I think Tom switched guns on him and gave him a gun without a firing pin.

sleepyjeff - The timeline definitely seems screwy. That was bugging me throughout the episode. It just seems like the writers tried to cram too much into too little time. Unless this is some strange island time vs real time phenomenon.

Given how people get unstuck in time (Slaughterhouse 5 effect, of which the Lost - and old Buffy - writers are hugely fond), I'd say the chronology can't be trusted, and can be messed with. There was that interesting picture frame mention, in the house where Miles performed the "exorcism." Hmm, ponder, hmm.

[sleepyjeff]

sleepyjeff - The timeline definitely seems screwy. That was bugging me throughout the episode. It just seems like the writers tried to cram too much into too little time. Unless this is some strange island time vs real time phenomenon.


Worse than "cram too much"........

Think about it this way:


When Micheal was watching the News(same as Frank and Daniel) they said it was the wreckage of a flight that crashed two months ago.

That means it was day 60(give or take) on the island.

Which means Micheal was watching a news cast in NYC at the exact same time as he was tied up in fakeotherville....... :eek:

[JWBear]

Worse than "cram too much"........

Think about it this way:


When Micheal was watching the News(same as Frank and Daniel) they said it was the wreckage of a flight that crashed two months ago.

That means it was day 60(give or take) on the island.

Which means Micheal was watching a news cast in NYC at the exact same time as he was tied up in fakeotherville....... :eek:

With this show, who says he wasn't?

[lashbear]

Tonight's episode was a total mind fvck. Damn the coinciding flashback/flashforward

Sneaky bastards.

So that's 5. And obviously Erin doesn't count if they wanted us to think Jin was #6.

I caught a snippet of the "coming next week" after the last episode, so I had guessed that Michael would make an appearance (all I heard was, "Someone you never expected to see"). I didn't even think to make the "Ben's man on the boat" connection. I gotta assume he's staying in character, not that he's actually forgotten.
This episode aired just last night.

I hate how delayed we are in getting this show. It sux bad.

I think Jin's still on the Island.

Oh, and nice to see Grant Bowler in a role on Lost !!! He was great as the series host for The Mole !!

[RStar]

And now it will be back again next week! At least here in the States (sorry Lash).

[Stan4dSteph]

I am so excited that I have found a feed online to watch past episodes! Wee! I'm up to the end of The Constant, so I should be caught up this weekend, and I can finally read this thread again.

[Pirate Bill]

Did Lost keep getting all pixelated for anyone else, or was it just me? I couldn't tell if it was my (brand new) DVR, the original broadcast, or bad satellite reception on my end.

Anyway, that was one crazy episode. A few weeks ago someone on the Lost Podcast (with Jay and Jack) came up with the theory that Ben and Widmore are playing a rich man's game of cat and mouse. After last night's episode and Ben's comments about "he changed the rules" that theory has even more weight.

[BarTopDancer]

It's just you.

And holy cow. I need to watch it again. That was the best episode in a very, very, very long time.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Just you Pirate Bill.

Yeah, that was a frelling intense episode! Has there been a higher body count since the pilot?
Did Ben really control Smokey?
What are these "rules" that Whitmore changed?

[scaeagles]

Boo-freakin-ya, Lost is back with a vengence.

[Chernabog]

I thought the smoke monster should turn out to be the Ghost of Bette Davis, but my roommate thought that the smoke monster should be our downstairs neighbors (bitches smoke so much that it comes up through our floor and make my room smell like stale ashtray, yuck!)

[sleepyjeff]

A few thoughts about last nights show:

1) "Australia is the key"

2) Dress for Artic temperatures when traveling to Tunisia

3) You can't kill someone who is alive in the absolute present...if time travel is truly happening and all of what we have seen so far on the show is before the absolute present than someone who is alive in the absolute present must remain alive until then; to kill them would be to "break the rules".

4) Claire survived a blast that oblitereted her home while she was in it; seems like the only protection she had were a few measley blankets.....too bad Libby didn't have blankets when she was shot by, um, oh, wait, ,,,I guess Claire had the special magic blankets and Libby did not;)

5) Ok, now for something really confusing; Sayid's Nadia dies in 2005 but in 2004 Sayid tells the French lady that Nadia had died because of something he did.

It gets more confusing.

Before Sayid got on the plane, one day before he was told by the FBI Nadia was alive. So, here's the linear timeline:

September 21st 2004: FBI tells Sayid that Nadia is alive and well in Southern Cal.
September 30th(+/-)2004: Sayid tells French Lady Nadia is dead.
2005: Sayid's wife dies.

:confused:

[JWBear]

I just watched it....


HOLY FVCKING SH!T!!!!!!!!

[CoasterMatt]

Marshall, Will, and Holly
On a routine expedition
Met the greatest earthquake ever known.
High on the rapids
It struck their tiny raft.
And plunged them down a thousand feet below.

To the Land of the Lost.
To the Land of the Lost.
To the Land of the Lost.

:)

[Stan4dSteph]

I can't believe they actually shot her. That was intense.

sleepyjeff, I also took note of the statement that "Australia is the key."

It really strange how Ben woke up in the desert with arctic gear, kind of like the polar bear. Is there some sort of teleportation device?

I want to see the smoke monster room!

[sleepyjeff]

It really strange how Ben woke up in the desert with arctic gear, kind of like the polar bear. Is there some sort of teleportation device?



Maybe. In Hurleys Flash Forward earlier this year he was working on a drawing at the mental institution....the drawing was of an igloo:eek:

[JWBear]

Here's an interesting page (http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/04/episode-4x09-bens-secret-door-with.html) with a screenshot of the carved door Ben opened. It has Egyptian hieroglyphs on it! The one I can make out most clearly is the glyph for "force". Hmmmmm....

[sleepyjeff]

^Cool.

[scaeagles]

Obviously, then, the same aliens that built the pyramids built the island.

[Stan4dSteph]

I hope someone who knows hieroglyphs will translate that. Way cool. Wish I had HD so I could freeze frame like that.

[Pirate Bill]

Once again, my recording of Lost was all frakked up. I'm wondering if ABC is doing something to mess with DVR recordings because this only happens with Lost. I think I'm going to watch it live next week and see if it happens then too.

So the mercenaries survived smokey's attack, eh. It sounded like they were getting slaughtered last week.

With future Jack's comment of "you're not even related to him" (talking about Aaron to Kate), I wonder if he knows that Claire is his half-sister.

[scaeagles]

Interesting thought re: Jack.

I was somewhat surprised that they survived. Since Ben obviously controls smokey, and smokey has killed others such as Mr. Eko, why would Ben send smokey to kill Eko yet not the mercenaries? If it is up to smokey and Ben just releases it, then why wuold it kill Eko and not the mercenaries?

[BarTopDancer]

WE GOT CONFIRMATION!

Once again, my recording of Lost was all frakked up. I'm wondering if ABC is doing something to mess with DVR recordings because this only happens with Lost. I think I'm going to watch it live next week and see if it happens then too.

My Lost isn't messed up. I have an ancient TiVO Series 2 (for kicks).


So the mercenaries survived smokey's attack, eh. It sounded like they were getting slaughtered last week.

I found it very interesting that they survived smokey's attack fairly unscathed (though one was super beat up), but Jack got sick. I didn't even think about the whole "people don't get sick" thing until Rose said something.

With future Jack's comment of "you're not even related to him" (talking about Aaron to Kate), I wonder if he knows that Claire is his half-sister.

I'm guessing yes. They confirmed that Jack's dad was Claire's dad. I wonder if the reason Jack didn't want to see Aaron is because he reminds him of his sister. I thought Clarie was going to be found dead at the end. But we don't even know if she died. But we do know Sawyer choose to stay behind. I wonder if Jin did too.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I am not 100% positive that they used Juliet's voice to throw us off in the beginning of the episode (when an unidentified woman was in the shower), but it sounded like it. Regardless, it didn't sound like Kate, and since I was absolutely certain that the woman in the shower was Kate, I started off feeling rather annoyed. Hah. Also, a Ben episode is a hard act to follow no matter what, so I may be less critical of this episode when I eventually watch it again.

I did enjoy it, though I thought it was a bit all over the place. Mostly I had a strong feeling my old man crush was going to show up in this episode, and he did, so that made me happy. Yay, Jack's Dad, who may or may not be Jacob. (Or, maybe Jacob is able to make himself look like anyone he pleases....)

It was hard to get caught up in the Jack's island dilemma. I mean, no need to worry about whether or not he'd survive when we've seen him in future tense episodes. So I'm assuming that his getting sick had more to do with Rose's point: People don't get sick on the island; they get better. So, why did Jack get sick? And why did Locke, some time ago, begin to lose his ability to walk? Is it faith based? Is it a lesson they're being taught by the Island?

Are we sure that all of the mercenaries survived? I cannot recall how many there were in the episode before. I thought, for dramatic effect, they might all (save the leader, who is a somewhat recognizable actor these days) be killed. The scene of the smoke monster trailing through the sky and trees with violence reduced to the sound of people screaming was very striking. But others have survived the smoke monster's attack, and these guys are supposed to be pretty badass. I assume there's some reason for it, though, so until them...wait and see, I guess.

I do love that Claire saw her dad holding the baby. More and more, the writers are making it clear that these manifestations (ghost or other) are physical beings. Charlie could touch Hurley. Jack's dad could pick up the baby. I wonder if Miles could see Jack's dad because of his powers, or if Sawyer would have seen him, too. Anyway, Claire's disappearance at the end is creepier than just coming upon he dead body.

I thought the speed with which Jack hit his downward spiral was a bit forced, but it's in line with what we saw him going through in last year's season finale. Still, he was awfully quick to turn on Kate. Then again, she's still addicted to secrets, and those secrets being tied to a rival would be, I supposed, understandably upsetting.

And how much do I love Jeff Fahey on this show? BIG FAT LOVE.

And have any of you been watching the missing (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index) scenes that were (I think) shot before the season aired. A bit of retrofitting to tie current plot points back to older episodes...

[JWBear]

Once again, my recording of Lost was all frakked up. I'm wondering if ABC is doing something to mess with DVR recordings because this only happens with Lost. I think I'm going to watch it live next week and see if it happens then too.

A friend of mine can't record LOST on here DVR either!

So the mercenaries survived smokey's attack, eh. It sounded like they were getting slaughtered last week.

It looked like there were fewer of them this week. I have a feeling Smokey took out a couple.

I was somewhat surprised that they survived. Since Ben obviously controls smokey, and smokey has killed others such as Mr. Eko, why would Ben send smokey to kill Eko yet not the mercenaries? If it is up to smokey and Ben just releases it, then why wuold it kill Eko and not the mercenaries?

I don't think Ben controls Smokey. I think he just did something to set it off.

[Gn2Dlnd]

My take (and that of the producers on their podcast) is that Ben can summon Smokey, but really has no control over him.

It.

Whatever.

[Pirate Bill]

Not to totally derail this into a DVR trouble ticket, but...
My Lost isn't messed up. I have an ancient TiVO Series 2 (for kicks).
I'm using DishNetwork's PVR 522. I've been using this model for about 5 years and the hard drive on my last one died a few weeks ago. I'm using a brand new one of the same model. It may or may not have newer firmware. I never had any problems recording Lost before. Lost still records, but about every 20 seconds the image freezes and goes all pixelated, then comes back. It takes about 2-3 seconds to recover. The sound is fine, just the picture is messed up. I don't experience this problem on any other show (and I only watch shows off the DVR, never live). Lost is also the only show I watch on ABC, so to see if it was an ABC thing I recorded some of Jimmy Kimmel live. No problems there. I'll record it and watch it live next week and compare the live to the recorded to see if this issue still comes up.

[BarTopDancer]

Google is my friend.

It looks like you may need to upgrade your firmware. It looks like its' a pretty common issue with the 522.

[cirquelover]

My DVR or tv has been doing the pixel thing too, especially during Lost, and it's getting rather annoying. I feel your pain!

[sleepyjeff]

I found it very interesting that they survived smokey's attack fairly unscathed (though one was super beat up), but Jack got sick. I didn't even think about the whole "people don't get sick" thing until Rose said something.

Jack and kate alone once defeated Smokey(Locke was there too but was kinda on Smokeys side) in a tug of war for Locke....not a big stretch to imagine 5 well trained mercs couldn't survive his fury.


I'm guessing yes. They confirmed that Jack's dad was Claire's dad. I wonder if the reason Jack didn't want to see Aaron is because he reminds him of his sister. I thought Clarie was going to be found dead at the end. But we don't even know if she died. But we do know Sawyer choose to stay behind. I wonder if Jin did too.


Excellent! We know that Jack mentioned during the trial that there were originaly 8 members of Oceanic that survived the crash.....Since we know that Sawyer chose to stay that means he could have come home. Ok, what do all of the people who we know had a choice in whether they stayed or left the Island have in common? Sayid, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Sun(Aaron most likely did not choose to leave the Island since he's just a baby).

Give up?

Every one of them was far away from the Swan Hatch when it imploded and turned the sky purple:eek:

The only other Lostie who was far from the Hatch at this time was Jin...whether or not he had a choice in leaving or not remains to be seen....but if my theory here is correct he was the only other person who had a choice.

Now wait a sec you might be saying. "Aaron wasn't far away when it blew"

Precisely.....I don't think they were supposed to take Aaron away from the Island and I also think Jack knows this and That is probably the reason he is freaking out...imho:)

. Also, a Ben episode is a hard act to follow no matter what, so I may be less critical of this episode when I eventually watch it again.

Especially when it is followed by a Jack centered episode.....a little of him goes a long way and I wish the writers would realize that.

I did enjoy it, though I thought it was a bit all over the place. Mostly I had a strong feeling my old man crush was going to show up in this episode, and he did, so that made me happy. Yay, Jack's Dad, who may or may not be Jacob. (Or, maybe Jacob is able to make himself look like anyone he pleases....)

Maybe he's smokey....after all, the smoke detector was sure acting up;)

[Stan4dSteph]

So has everyone already seen The Orchid training video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI)? Because the jacket been had on last week had the name Halliwax on it, along with the symbol for The Orchid station.

And I actually like Jack-centric episodes. We haven't had that many this season so I enjoyed it. Trying to figure out the chronology of these flash forwards is a bit tricky though. I wonder if Jack will get visited by his dad again? I would think it would take Jack actually talking to his Dad to get Jack to the state we saw in last year's finale.

Do we know all of the Oceanic 6 now? I was catching up with the official podcast, and they said that we should know by episode 7, but maybe they were talking about the 7th of the second half of this season?

We have Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun and Sayid, but who is #6?

[JWBear]

Do we know all of the Oceanic 6 now? I was catching up with the official podcast, and they said that we should know by episode 7, but maybe they were talking about the 7th of the second half of this season?

We have Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun and Sayid, but who is #6?

Aaron

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm still not convinced it's Aaron. In the Sun episode, they were trying to make us think that Jin was back. By that time, we knew about all of the others, including Aaron. So if they're counting Aaron, why would we buy Jin being there if we already had 6?

There's one more.

[sleepyjeff]

I am pretty sure it is Aaron who is #6...but this is Lost so who knows. In regards to the Jin episode; it wasn't until this last episode that we were even sure that Aaron was indeed Aaron...many speculated that he was Kate's natural born child...so at the time of the Jin/Sun episode Aarons' spot was still sorta up for grabs.

I've already seen the Orchid Video and remember the producers saying that it, along with the modisodes, is the only thing outside of the show itself that can be taken as canon. They also said the Orchid vid will be a key part of the show towards the end of this season:)

[Stan4dSteph]

But Aaron wasn't on Oceanic 815, he was still in utero. I guess it's basically confirmed that he's the sixth, but I still think that's a bit of a stretch. Lostpedia on Oceanic 6 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Six).

Oh, and I'm bummed that Rousseau is dead. :(

[sleepyjeff]

But Aaron wasn't on Oceanic 815, he was still in utero. I guess it's basically confirmed that he's the sixth, but I still think that's a bit of a stretch. Lostpedia on Oceanic 6 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Six).

(



Of course we do know that Jack testified that there were 8 who initially surivived the crash but only 6 lived.....now that's where things get interesting; if only 6 lived, unless the baby was born before the crash there really is one more person missing. btw, notice the numbers there? "8" survived the crash and "1" + "5" lived= 815:)

[Gn2Dlnd]

Jack testified that there were 8 who initially surivived the crash but only 6 lived.....

Now there's a podcast question! Is this your realization, or something that's out in the Lostosphere?

[Stan4dSteph]

Now there's a podcast question! Is this your realization, or something that's out in the Lostosphere?Asked and answered. "It doesn't matter who the two are who didn't survive."

[sleepyjeff]

Now there's a podcast question! Is this your realization, or something that's out in the Lostosphere?

I base it on Jack's testimony at Kate's trial...of course he said he was lying but just what he was lying about was not made clear.

Asked and answered. "It doesn't matter who the two are who didn't survive."

Yes, that is what they said....but they also said that "when the show is all done it won't matter what we've said in these podcasts and interviews, the show will need only answer to itself".....when asked if they would deliberately lie to someone during those interviews in order to throw off someone who was close to the answer they said "yes".

[Gn2Dlnd]

Asked and answered. "It doesn't matter who the two are who didn't survive."

Not what I meant. My question is, if Jack said 6 survived the crash, but Aaron wasn't yet born, who's the sixth? Is it a mistake in writing?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Most people think Aaron does count as the 6th. I still don't because we already knew about Aaron + 5 others when they were trying to make us believe that Jin was the 6th. If I'm right, then we still don't know who #6 is.

ETA: Actually, now that you mention it, the whole "8 initally survived the crash, but 2 later died" testimony further lends credence to my theory that Aaron doesn't count. That means Jack was talking about 6 people that survived the crash. Unlikely that that would include Aaron.

[scaeagles]

It depends.....maybe this show is really a plot by the pro life lobby to make people think that Aaron does count and therefore he was alive and counted as a person prior to birth.

Ok, maybe not.

[Betty]

How about the preview for the next episode? Was that the guy in the hidden cabin (why can't I remember his name at the moment?) saying he's been dead for 12 years?

[Gn2Dlnd]

ETA: Actually, now that you mention it, the whole "8 initally survived the crash, but 2 later died" testimony further lends credence to my theory that Aaron doesn't count. That means Jack was talking about 6 people that survived the crash. Unlikely that that would include Aaron.

That's what I meant. The "Oceanic Six" is what the flash-forward public calls the returning survivors of flight 815, including Aaron. If 8 survived the crash, two died, and Aaron wasn't born yet, there's someone else who's a member of the surviving "Jack Six," and didn't leave the island. But, since we know that Jack is lying, it doesn't matter who "died." Why didn't the flash-forward public pick up on the fact that Jack is one death short in his story? Aaron counts, because he's one of the six that left the island, there's just an extra fake person in Jack's fake story. I'm interested in the ramifications of Jack's bad math.

[JWBear]

That's what I meant. The "Oceanic Six" is what the flash-forward public calls the returning survivors of flight 815, including Aaron. If 8 survived the crash, two died, and Aaron wasn't born yet, there's someone else who's a member of the surviving "Jack Six," and didn't leave the island. But, since we know that Jack is lying, it doesn't matter who "died." Why didn't the flash-forward public pick up on the fact that Jack is one death short in his story? Aaron counts, because he's one of the six that left the island, there's just an extra fake person in Jack's fake story. I'm interested in the ramifications of Jack's bad math.

Maybe the public doesn't know Aaron was born on the island.

[BarTopDancer]

Maybe the public doesn't know Aaron was born on the island.

We don't even know if the public knows there is an island. References to the island have been made to the O6 by Widmore's people as well as each other. But I can't recall hearing anything from someone who is not one of those about the island.

[JWBear]

Very true.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Maybe the public doesn't know Aaron was born on the island.The passenger list would be public knowledge.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Lostpedia indicates all 6 have been identified and confirmed.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Six

Take it or leave it, I guess.

[Ghoulish Delight]

edited: meh, dead horse.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Heh. I thought it was pointless anyway, since they were obviously uniting a story from two different timelines. I thought the episode was kinda sloppy regardless of the Oceanic 6 reveals. Unless Jin was body 1 of 2. That would be a bummer. He's a badass. A badass with the world's most glorious cheekbones.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Random aside: A friend came across a theory that Claire died in the explosion, but doesn't realize it. And the reason why Miles keeps looking at her askew (which Sawyer has interpreted as menacing) is because he hasn't encountered anything like the Island "spirits" before, if that is what they are.

I do love the random theories that bandy about online. Lost SIMS! Hoo-by.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

How about the preview for the next episode? Was that the guy in the hidden cabin (why can't I remember his name at the moment?) saying he's been dead for 12 years?

Jacob hasn't been identified yet, as far as I know. We have seen him, and a close up of his eye. When Hurley looks into the cabin, he sees Jack's dad in rocking chair, and then CRAZY EYE through the peep hole on the other side,which may or may not belong to Jacob.

Ah, Lost. Headachy.

[Stan4dSteph]

Yea, I linked to the Lostpedia earlier too. Didn't convince em.

[JWBear]

Heh. I thought it was pointless anyway, since they were obviously uniting a story from two different timelines. I thought the episode was kinda sloppy regardless of the Oceanic 6 reveals. Unless Jin was body 1 of 2. That would be a bummer. He's a badass. A badass with the world's most glorious cheekbones.

One of the theories that I like is that Jin is still alive on the island. Sun (and the other 5) told the world that he died in the crash. The headstone had the date of the crash as the date of his death. This makes sense as he was a known passenger on the plane, but was not one of the Oceanic 6. To the rest of the world, he would be officially dead. The grave is empty, and the headstone symbolic.

[sleepyjeff]

We don't even know if the public knows there is an island. References to the island have been made to the O6 by Widmore's people as well as each other. But I can't recall hearing anything from someone who is not one of those about the island.


They do...Jack testified that they crashed in the water and swam to shore on an Island in the South Pacific.

Funny thing is the "fake" plane or whatever it is was found in the Sunda Trench....which is NOT in the South Pacific/not even close. Something else to ponder:)

[Fab]

I got an offer to be on Lost, a really small part, low pay.

But there's no way I could have kept my mouth shut - my friends would have put bamboo shoots under my nails to make me talk!

[Pirate Bill]

I'm with GD on the Oceanic 6. Even though all fingers are pointing to Aaron as being the 6th member, I'm just not convinced. It's too weak, the numbers don't work, and I expect the writers to be smarter than that. If, after the airing of the very last episode of the series, we don't know who the real 6th member is, then I'll concede defeat. But if there isn't a darn good explanation for the discrepancies then I'm not going to be happy about it.

[Pirate Bill]

Time travel: So the doctor's body traveled back in time on its journey to the beach. And if I'm understanding things correctly it seems like the morse code message from Daniel (sent after the discovery of the dead doc) traveled forward in time. Interesting.

Based on the knowing glances between Claire and Christian, it looks like Claire knows everything there is to know about the island mysteries.

Move the island. I love it!

(And no DVR problems last night. I watched it live and double-checked the recording. No freezing/pixelating weirdness. I made no firmware updates, but who knows if something happened automatically in the early morning hours while I was asleep - when any firmware updates are usually applied. Or maybe the last two episode problems were just a fluke.)

[BarTopDancer]

Time travel: So the doctor's body traveled back in time on its journey to the beach. And if I'm understanding things correctly it seems like the morse code message from Daniel (sent after the discovery of the dead doc) traveled forward in time. Interesting.

Which means when they sent it, they knew the doctor was fine, which makes red and the other guy (whose names I just can't remember right now) liars (which we knew), but the person who sent it telling the truth, and no code to the statement.

And why didn't Jack think to maybe look through some of the other notebooks and papers he tossed out of the bag? Maybe something important (like the bad guys were going to torch the island) was in there?

Loved/hated the cabin tease from Christian - all the questions won't matter. But you have to ask the most important one.

[Stan4dSteph]

So if Claire is in the cabin hanging around with Christian, is she undead now too?

[BarTopDancer]

So if Claire is in the cabin hanging around with Christian, is she undead now too?

I'm thinking yes. She didn't seemed concerned that Aaron wasn't with her. She didn't seem to be freaked out that her dad somehow appeared on the island. And she had this weird look about her, like she was just hanging around with her friends, not running scared from bad guys and smoke monsters.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Yeah, I think my friend's friend was right, and Claire's a deader.

I think Charlie may be the only "ghost" who doesn't have a creepy air about him. Nice creepy, knowing smile, Claire!

[BarTopDancer]

So how did Sawyer, Hurley (though he sees Charlie) and Ben interact with her if she was dead.

Hummm.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Charlie slapped Hurley. A very dead Christian held a very alive Aaron. It's been established on the show that these "ghosts" are corporeal.

Of course, they may not be the ghosts of the dearly departed. They may be forms manifested by the island, which take on the shape of dearly departed familiars.

Who the heck knows? Probably not even the writers. Heh.

[sleepyjeff]

Loved/hated the cabin tease from Christian - all the questions won't matter. But you have to ask the most important one.

I only hated it(the tease that is, I loved the show). It was done very clumsily....might as well of had one of the writers appear on screen and say directly to the audience "we know you have been waiting for about a year for us to return to this cabin to finally meet Jacob and get some answers but instead of that we are going to not answer any questions and give you a couple more to try to figure out" :mad:

[Stan4dSteph]

It could be that's one of the plotlines that was shelved due to the writer's strike delay.

[JWBear]

I just watched the latest episode....

Keamy killed the hot Captain.... Keamy must die now. Painfully. Slowly. With a spoon. A dull spoon. :mad:

Move the island? WTF???

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I only hated it(the tease that is, I loved the show). It was done very clumsily....might as well of had one of the writers appear on screen and say directly to the audience "we know you have been waiting for about a year for us to return to this cabin to finally meet Jacob and get some answers but instead of that we are going to not answer any questions and give you a couple more to try to figure out" :mad:This happens every. single. episode. "Answer my question!" "There's no time!" I'm used to it by now.

Claire is dead, the island moves (how that would prevent the baddies from "torching the island" I have no idea), Locke drew the smoke monster as a kid. Awesome.

BTW, anyone else notice that Locke asked "how do I save the island", not "how do I save everyone's lives"?

[RStar]

Charlie slapped Hurley. A very dead Christian held a very alive Aaron. It's been established on the show that these "ghosts" are corporeal.

Of course, they may not be the ghosts of the dearly departed. They may be forms manifested by the island, which take on the shape of dearly departed familiars.

Who the heck knows? Probably not even the writers. Heh.I'm not so sure, the writers already know how the series will end. I'm not sure about all of the plot points, but this well could be one that they have mapped out.

I just watched the latest episode....

Keamy killed the hot Captain.... Keamy must die now. Painfully. Slowly. With a spoon. A dull spoon. :mad:

Move the island? WTF???Just because the captain is dead doesn't mean we will never see him again, the way this show is. They said people on the ship were acting wierd, they may be close enough to be effected by the island.

And "to move" the island may not mean physically, but in time. Perhaps Locke will need to adjust the time shift so that the coordinences will no longer get them to the island.

This happens every. single. episode. "Answer my question!" "There's no time!" I'm used to it by now.

Claire is dead, the island moves (how that would prevent the baddies from "torching the island" I have no idea), Locke drew the smoke monster as a kid. Awesome.

BTW, anyone else notice that Locke asked "how do I save the island", not "how do I save everyone's lives"?Oh yes. He has long refered to the Islan as alive, he seems to understand better than anyone else on 815.

[sleepyjeff]

This happens every. single. episode. "Answer my question!" "There's no time!" I'm used to it by now.

Yeah, I know, it's just that this particular instance seemed more jarring and clumsily written then previous iterations of this tactic.

Claire is dead, the island moves (how that would prevent the baddies from "torching the island" I have no idea), Locke drew the smoke monster as a kid. Awesome.

I wonder if this is why only 6 make it off the Island. Maybe Jack, Kate, Sun and Aaron along with Hurley go with Sayid on the Zodiac back to the freighter but when Sayid tries to go back for a second run the Island is gone:confused:

BTW, anyone else notice that Locke asked "how do I save the island", not "how do I save everyone's lives"?

Now that you mention it it does seem like Locke would probably sacrifice everyone on the Island if the "Island" wanted him too:eek:

[JWBear]

You go, Sun! She grew balls!!!

[cirquelover]

I was so proud of her too!

Why did I know Jack and Claire were brother and sister, had we discussed that here or was that a dream?

It's so nice to see Sayid happy, even if we know it won't last long!

Well, two more weeks and our questions are supposed to be answered, yeah right ;-)

[scaeagles]

All I can say is that must have been one hell of a settlement from Oceanic!

[Pirate Bill]

Well, some loose ends did get tied up nicely.

It's confirmed that Aaron is the 6th member of the Oceanic 6. I like that there was at least one reporter questioning the logic of Aaron being Kate's son.

Now we know that Jack does learn Claire is his sister, how he found out, and from whom.

It's also more clear about what that thing was under Keamy's arm. I suspected it was a dead man switch that would trigger some explosives somewhere. Seeing all the explosives on the boat that are hooked up to a transmitter brings that thread more to light.

We know that Jin is not one of the "8 survivors." We don't know who the other 2 are but we at least know one who is not.

Of course, there are still many many unanswered questions and a few new ones. This is not a complaint though. I actually like that about Lost. If I didn't, I wouldn't be watching.

[BarTopDancer]

Awesome.

Go SUN! I loved her standing up to her dad.

I think we now know what happened to Jin :(

If there is an explosion, maybe that is what causes a rift and allows the island to be seen.

And wow. Where did all those "Others" come from? It looks like it's going to be a fight for the island - between the bad guys and the "Others".

[sleepyjeff]

All I can say is that must have been one hell of a settlement from Oceanic!



Just how big of a settlement did the O-6 get? I mean, I would expect that they would get enough to live the rest of their lives in a very comfortable style; 3 million, maybe a little more. But Sun bought controlling interest in a company that seems to me to be worth tens(if not scores) of millions of dollars....maybe I overestimated just how rich and powerfull Paik was.



More questions:

1) Seems like the Island or something healed Claire's mom. Come to think of it Kate's mom was supposed to be dead according to her doctors but somehow she also still lives. Juliet's sister also enjoyed a similar recovery. Are there any other cases like this?

2) Tunnels: For the last couple of seasons there has been lots of speculation about a tunnel system on the Island......I am thinking that if there was Ben most certainly would have used it to get to the Orchid.

3) A giant greenhouse.....another rung on my 'their moving the Island someplace cold' theory?

4) So according to their news confo, they are saying they crashed in the Indian Ocean.....but when Jack testified at Kates trial did he not say they crashed in the Pacific?

Regardless, how do they explain that the plane crashed so completely far off course....I mean, that's darn near the opposite direction they should have been flying?????

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I think the actual crash did take place way off course. If memory serves, the pilots in the first episode were suddenly aware that they were nowhere they were supposed to be, just before the crash. Can't recall if they sent some sort of distress message, but if they did so, and it was received, the faked crash would need to stay in line... ?

I'm wondering if the island move is a move through time and space.

And I love that there is a nice new modern ship full of explosives to compliment that nice old ship full of Dynomite.

[sleepyjeff]

I think the actual crash did take place way off course. If memory serves, the pilots in the first episode were suddenly aware that they were nowhere they were supposed to be, just before the crash. Can't recall if they sent some sort of distress message, but if they did so, and it was received, the faked crash would need to stay in line... ?

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It did crash off course but not that far off course. They were flying on course for 6 hours(about 3 thousand miles) when they lost radio contact and turned west to attempt emergency landing at Fiji. 2 hours(1 thousand miles) later they crashed.

In order for them to have crashed where they reported that they did, they would have had to been of course(and flying about 110(maybe 108) degrees in the wrong direction right from the moment they took off from Sydney.



PILOT: (panting) Six hours in, our radio went out. No one could see us. We
turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand
miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place.



Looking at a world map(Pacific Centered) it's easy to see how ridiculously off their flight was.......on a smaller scale it would be like a Flight from San Diego to New York crashing in Alaska.

[sleepyjeff]

Just how big of a settlement did the O-6 get? I mean, I would expect that they would get enough to live the rest of their lives in a very comfortable style; 3 million, maybe a little more. But Sun bought controlling interest in a company that seems to me to be worth tens(if not scores) of millions of dollars....maybe I overestimated just how rich and powerfull Paik was.





On a side note I just thought of a way Sun could have done it a little bit easier......maybe Sayid, Hurley, Jack, and Kate helped Sun by investing some or most of their settlements.

After all, right before Sun walked in on her father her father was screaming at his minions ...some about 5 seperate bank accounts:eek:

[ozron]

On a side note I just thought of a way Sun could have done it a little bit easier......maybe Sayid, Hurley, Jack, and Kate helped Sun by investing some or most of their settlements.

For that matter, Hurley did get back his lottery fortune... although I doubt he'd be comfortable giving Sun cursed money.

[JWBear]

All I can say is that must have been one hell of a settlement from Oceanic!

Just how big of a settlement did the O-6 get? I mean, I would expect that they would get enough to live the rest of their lives in a very comfortable style; 3 million, maybe a little more. But Sun bought controlling interest in a company that seems to me to be worth tens(if not scores) of millions of dollars....maybe I overestimated just how rich and powerfull Paik was.


On a side note I just thought of a way Sun could have done it a little bit easier......maybe Sayid, Hurley, Jack, and Kate helped Sun by investing some or most of their settlements.

After all, right before Sun walked in on her father her father was screaming at his minions ...some about 5 seperate bank accounts:eek:

For that matter, Hurley did get back his lottery fortune... although I doubt he'd be comfortable giving Sun cursed money.

There were several post on another board that explained that all Sun had to do to have a controlling interest is buy more stock than her father owned. She didn't have to buy 51% of all the stock.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Watched it last night.

That episode was terrible!!

The phrase that kept coming to mind was "ham handed". I mean, I was cool with most of thus stuff that happened and/or was revealed, from a story perspective, but it was done so freaking poorly, with the WORST sound track. Ugh, that episode was painful to watch.

And THAT'S their explanation for the "Oceanic 6" including Aaron? Really? Booooooooooo. Lazy, lazy writing.

This was, what, the 5th post-strike episode? I guess they were coming up on the deadline with this one and just slapped it together. Not a shred of subtlety to be found.

Hopefully they were just positioning themselves for a good finale and I don't have to sit through 2 hours of that drek next week.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I felt the same way GD did...painful to watch, but good story movement. This episode had the most forced dialog and overdramatic soundtrack of the entire series. Even the camera angles, edits, and slow-mo montages were shoddy - all areas they usually excel in. I wonder what happened...

[sleepyjeff]

I felt the same way GD did...painful to watch, but good story movement. This episode had the most forced dialog and overdramatic soundtrack of the entire series. Even the camera angles, edits, and slow-mo montages were shoddy - all areas they usually excel in. I wonder what happened...


I did a re-watch last night and would have to agree with you here.....very shoddy work for a show that is known for its quality.

They need to dump Castanza and get Lloyd Braun(the real L.B.) back, and fast.

[BarTopDancer]

Awesomeness.

And a new toy for the summer. (http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/)

[JWBear]

O...M...F...G!

[scaeagles]

Wow.

[scaeagles]

So....I am wondering if Locke was forced to move the island again and that's why he was back on the main land. I can't imagine him leaving any other way.

Also, it's going to be quite interesting seeing the process of getting everyone to agree to go back, particularly Sun. She certainly seems as if she's in Widmore's corner due to the death of her hubby.

That was an incredibly sad episode. I was glad to see Desmond and Penny hook up, as that brought a much needed happy moment to the episode. That was a great episode, but depressing as hell.

[RStar]

And a new toy for the summer. (http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/)

What the heck is that? An online game?

Great show last night! John is dead in the future? He got off the island, and took an alias?

Lucy, I think they got some 'splanin to doooo!