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Ghoulish Delight
07-07-2009, 07:21 AM
I don't think they would be using his stage set up because they have reported that Ringling Brothers is moving the circus animals in tomorrow morning. It would appear they already have the venue booked themselves. Wouldn't that be a fun turnover for the crew, going from a memorial to a circus setup!
I'm pretty sure the circus will be taking place in a tent in the parking lot, not inside Staples Center. They might be using the building to house some of the animals, but I doubt it would preclude any stage production from going on on the actual venue floor.
Moonliner
07-07-2009, 08:02 AM
Damn. The LAPD closed the entire 101 freeway all the way to Forest lawn for the procession.
Man, I'd be ticked if I was trying to get to work....
Kevy Baby
07-07-2009, 08:07 AM
I don't think they would be using his stage set up because they have reported that Ringling Brothers is moving the circus animals in tomorrow morning. It would appear they already have the venue booked themselves. Wouldn't that be a fun turnover for the crew, going from a memorial to a circus setup!Eh... crews are used to this kind of load-out. The sets are designed for quick strikes.
They've actually had hockey and basketball in Staples on the same day.
Ghoulish Delight
07-07-2009, 08:32 AM
Damn. The LAPD closed the entire 101 freeway all the way to Forest lawn for the procession.
Man, I'd be ticked if I was trying to get to work....
A funeral procession on the 101? That freeway hasn't seen those kinds of speeds during a weekday in at least a decade.
Moonliner
07-07-2009, 08:33 AM
A funeral procession on the 101? That freeway hasn't seen those kinds of speeds during a weekday in at least a decade.
Naw, they were only doing about 40mph.
Err, oh, ummm, yeah, what he said.
DisneyDaniel
07-07-2009, 08:48 AM
The Staples Center Website will have a live Webcast of the Michael Jackson Public Memorial on Tuesday, July 7 starting at 10 a.m. Pacific Time:
http://staplescenter.com/memorial/mjmemorial.html
innerSpaceman
07-07-2009, 09:41 AM
Anyone know how much the bankrupt state and local governments are shelling out for this fiasco?
Moonliner
07-07-2009, 09:45 AM
Anyone know how much the bankrupt state and local governments are shelling out for this fiasco?
It won't be clear until after the event (when the numbers will dramatically inflate across the board) but CNN estimates costs at up to $4,000,000.
DisneyDaniel
07-07-2009, 09:47 AM
Anyone know how much the bankrupt state and local governments are shelling out for this fiasco?
Jackson memorial will cost L.A. nearly $4 million (http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-07-07/lifestyle/jackson-memorial-will-cost-la-nearly-4-million )
Not Afraid
07-07-2009, 09:51 AM
What a crock of shyt.
Snowflake
07-07-2009, 09:58 AM
A pittance from the cd/download sales would cover this, and more.
What's really ludicrous is the idea that it would take 1,400 police officers to control crowds. I believe we invaded Iraq with fewer people than that.
Betty
07-07-2009, 10:18 AM
That is outragous. Money that could be used for so many things - including on people that are alive. Any profit from the event should pay for that. Anything left over after that they can keep.
cirquelover
07-07-2009, 10:21 AM
They've actually had hockey and basketball in Staples on the same day.
Wow, that's amazing turn around time! Especially when you consider hockey needs ice. I don't think I'd want to be on that crew!
Moonliner
07-07-2009, 10:24 AM
What's really ludicrous is the idea that it would take 1,400 police officers to control crowds. I believe we invaded Iraq with fewer people than that.
Well yeah, but to be fair they are dealing with emotionally unstable Jackson fans rather than just a hostile country.
The ice is, I believe always there (during hockey season anyway). They just put a floor over it for other events.
I believe I also read that the have to replace the entire court for switching between Clippers and Lakers games and that they have played at home on the same day as well.
Kevy Baby
07-07-2009, 10:15 PM
The ice is, I believe always there (during hockey season anyway). They just put a floor over it for other events.
I believe I also read that the have to replace the entire court for switching between Clippers and Lakers games and that they have played at home on the same day as well.Correct on both accounts.
I also found out it only takes 2-1/2 hours to switch from hockey to basketball (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/STAPLES+CENTER:+TECHNOLOGY+:+QUICK+TURNAROUND%3B+A RENA+CAN+GO+FROM...-a083624822).
Oh, uh... who else has died?
Morrigoon
07-07-2009, 10:54 PM
That is outragous. Money that could be used for so many things - including on people that are alive. Any profit from the event should pay for that. Anything left over after that they can keep.
No profit on free tickets.
RStar
07-08-2009, 09:14 AM
I heard this morning that the City is asking for donations from the fans. I'm not sure if the Jackson estate has paid for any of it. I don't think I'd see any fans sending the city money. It will be interesting to see what happens....
ETA:
Oops, just noticed this was in the MJ Memorial thread......
Over in the MJ thread it says they received quite a bit in donations.
DisneyDaniel
07-08-2009, 12:01 PM
Someone just pointed out the following to me:
The same date when Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson both died on June 25, 2009:
6-25-09
62 50
Farrah Fawcett was 62 years old.
Michael Jackson was 50 years old.
Simple coincidence I say.
Numerology-type find almost always are. Especially when you get to apparently remove one number that doesn't fit.
Too bad Jackson didn't die a month earlier when the 50-9 could have meant he was 50 and 9 months. Sadly he was 50 and nearly 11 months old.
Stupid mysterious cosmic forces, always doing things half-assed.
innerSpaceman
07-08-2009, 12:22 PM
You probably know this, but numerical coincidences have nothing to do with the psuedo-science of Numerology.
By the way, in just a few minutes and seconds, it will be 12:34:56, 7/8/9.
It does, by the way, when people take numerical coincidences and read into them spiritual (or other) significance. Which is all that Numerology is.
Noting that my birth date appears in my phone number is a coincidence. Feeling that this means it is a sign god wanted me to have this phone number is numerology.
So yeah, as long as everybody agrees that what DP posted is just a coincidence then it isn't numerology. However, since the first person who mentioned that to me today did so in context of how it reflected divine intervention in their deaths I'm going to stick with labeling it a "numerology-type find."
By the way, in just a few minutes and seconds, it will be 12:34:56, 7/8/9.
I already celebrated that one at 1:23:45 June 6, 89 so it's passe.
JWBear
07-08-2009, 12:40 PM
I already celebrated that one at 1:23:45 June 6, 89 so it's passe.
Why a day early?
Because it was a three day celebration.
Snowflake
07-08-2009, 02:39 PM
George Fullerton dies at 86; musician helped Leo Fender create his unique guitars
George Fullerton, a longtime associate of Leo Fender who played a crucial role in the electric-guitar innovator's extraordinary success through his broad-based skills as a musician, artist and technician, has died. He was 86.
Fullerton died Saturday of congestive heart failure at St. Jude Medical Center in Fullerton, said his son Geoff.
While Fender tinkered away, coming up with improvements in guitar design that led to the creation of his revolutionary Telecaster and Stratocaster electric guitars, Fullerton was charged with making those innovations practical for mass production in their Orange County factory that opened in the late 1940s. Nearly 1,000 people were working there when Fender sold it to CBS in 1965.
obit here (http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-george-fullerton8-2009jul08,0,5638626.story)
flippyshark
07-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Bring the weiner-shaped hearse for Oscar Mayer (http://www.huliq.com/3257/83231/oscar-meyer-dies-age-95) the third.
flippyshark
07-08-2009, 02:45 PM
I officially declare this sad occasion a terrific excuse for me to go get a corn dog.
SzczerbiakManiac
07-08-2009, 02:49 PM
George Fullerton dies at 86; musician helped Leo Fender create his unique guitarsAre his surname & the name of that city by chance related?
JWBear
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
I wouldn't be suprised. The city founder was also named George, and I know the family was still around in the area at least as late as the 1970's.
Ghoulish Delight
07-08-2009, 03:03 PM
Are his surname & the name of that city by chance related?
The city is named for someone named George Fullerton. And the Fender plant was in Fullerton. But Wikipedia says it is unknown if they are the same person, or if they're even related. Curious.
innerSpaceman
07-08-2009, 04:44 PM
Oscar Mayer .... dead at 95.
Now I can't get the song out of my head. I hope they play it at his funeral. But I guess getting Steve Wonder to sing it is a long shot.
Not Afraid
07-08-2009, 05:00 PM
Oh I wish I were an Oscar Meyer Heiress
That is what I truly want to be
'Cause if I was an Oscar Meyer Heiress
Everyone would be in love with me.
JWBear
07-08-2009, 05:02 PM
Just think of the NYE parties you could throw!
innerSpaceman
07-08-2009, 05:03 PM
A Bologna Heiress.
I'd rather be a Weiner Heir!
JWBear
07-08-2009, 05:04 PM
Herr Weiner?
Not Afraid
07-08-2009, 05:05 PM
My Bologna has a first name, it's S-T-E-V-E
My Bologna has a second name it Z-L-I-C-K
I'd love to eat him every day
and if you ask my why I'd say
'Cause Innerspaceman has a way with Bologna.
JWBear
07-08-2009, 05:06 PM
Lisa... Whatever you're taking, can I have some?
Disneyphile
07-08-2009, 05:31 PM
I'll get the mustard and relish.
Not Afraid
07-08-2009, 05:38 PM
Between this and pie, I'm STARVING!
Disneyphile
07-08-2009, 05:46 PM
Between this and pie, I'm STARVING!Yeah, but what are you starving for most?
Pie, Steve, or Bologna?
Not Afraid
07-08-2009, 05:52 PM
I think Pie is going to win that contest.
cirquelover
07-08-2009, 06:37 PM
NA is definitely on a jingle roll, those were very good by the way!
innerSpaceman
07-08-2009, 07:28 PM
Yep, even I got a chuckle out of those! Potential undercurrent and all. That woman's got a future in marketing!
oh.
Disneyphile
07-08-2009, 07:54 PM
Yep, even I got a chuckle out of those! Potential undercurrent and all. That woman's got a future in marketing!
You should be flattered! She compared you to a large meat schlong packed full of snout and anus.
Actually, now that I think of it.... that might not be so flattering. ;)
Strangler Lewis
07-08-2009, 08:10 PM
Sung to the tune of the Fluffernutter song:
"Oh, you need large meat schlong that's packed full of snout and anus."
Morrigoon
07-08-2009, 11:45 PM
Lisa... Whatever you're taking, can I have some?
Suddenly everyone wants a piece of Steve and his meat...
innerSpaceman
07-09-2009, 01:11 PM
What else is new?
Not Afraid
07-09-2009, 02:39 PM
Maybe we're mourning the loss of your meat since this is the RIP thread. (The thought of Steve's meat ever resting in peace is quite funny!)
innerSpaceman
07-09-2009, 08:21 PM
And not likely any time soon.
oh, it's resting alright. Has been for too long.
... but not in peace. oh no.
blueerica
07-10-2009, 05:43 AM
*snort* *giggle*
Snowflake
07-13-2009, 01:24 PM
From a friend:
I know this doesn't mean much to you, but Charles N. Brown died about 3 hours ago; he was the founder and publisher of Locus, the most important fanzine in science fiction publishing. All the news that was fit to print.
Gemini Cricket
07-17-2009, 05:44 PM
Walter Cronkite died.
:(
blueerica
07-18-2009, 10:00 PM
Yeah, I saw that today.
My grandma died yesterday. :(
Snowflake
07-18-2009, 11:37 PM
Yeah, I saw that today.
My grandma died yesterday. :(
{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
Strangler Lewis
07-19-2009, 07:15 AM
Yeah, I saw that today.
My grandma died yesterday. :(
Sorry to hear that. My sympathy to you and your family.
Motorboat Cruiser
07-19-2009, 08:41 AM
Our condolences to you and your family, Erica. So sorry to hear this.
Cadaverous Pallor
07-19-2009, 10:05 AM
So sorry, Erica.
My grandma died yesterday. :(
My deepest condolences Erica, it's so hard to lose a loved one.
Gn2Dlnd
07-19-2009, 05:53 PM
My grandma died yesterday. :(
I'm so sorry. :(
I never read one of his books (way outside the realm of what I like to read), but Frank McCourt of Angela's Ashes and 'Tis died today.
CoasterMatt
07-20-2009, 06:58 PM
Gordon Waller of Peter and Gordon (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/breaking-news-gordon-waller-peter-and-gordon-dies) passed away on July 16.
Snowflake
07-22-2009, 02:33 PM
Oh No! Yo Quiero (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=8147630&page=1) no more Taco Bell! Sad chihuaha :(
DreadPirateRoberts
07-24-2009, 02:01 PM
John Barry, Main Force Behind WD-40 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/business/22barry1.html)
Gemini Cricket
07-24-2009, 02:12 PM
John Barry, Main Force Behind WD-40 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/business/22barry1.html)
I guarantee that his coffin lid won't squeak when opened and closed.
Strangler Lewis
07-24-2009, 02:19 PM
John Barry, Main Force Behind WD-40 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/business/22barry1.html)
They say he just slipped away.
Snowflake
07-24-2009, 02:24 PM
John Barry, Main Force Behind WD-40 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/business/22barry1.html)
Since WD-40 is an aerosol product, any coincidence he died
The cause was pulmonary fibrosis, a lung disease, said Garry Ridge, president and chief executive of the WD-40 Company.
Betty
07-24-2009, 02:28 PM
Did you know there are over 2000 uses for wd-40? Get's gum out of hair and carpet! Pretty nifty.
Since WD-40 is an aerosol product, any coincidence he died
It might be coincidence but since he died so young you have to strongly consider something like that.
Snowflake
07-24-2009, 02:57 PM
It might be coincidence but since he died so young you have to strongly consider something like that.
Touche!
Though I was thinking that if his exposure to WD-40 killed him at 84 then my exposure must mean I'll live to 230 at least.
Betty
07-24-2009, 03:46 PM
FYI - he didn't invent wd-40. He came to company and marketed it to the public.
Not Afraid
07-27-2009, 05:05 PM
It seems to be the year of losing great choreographers.
Merce Cunningham dies at 90. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090727/ap_en_ot/us_obit_merce_cunningham)
Strangler Lewis
07-27-2009, 05:40 PM
And great boxers.
Alexis Arguello
Arturo Gatti
Vernon Forrest
None of them "good" deaths, or even head-shaking boxing-related deaths. A strange month.
SzczerbiakManiac
08-06-2009, 02:00 PM
Director John Hughes (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/06/john-hughes-dies/) at 59 of a heart attack.
Gemini Cricket
08-06-2009, 02:26 PM
John Hughes?! Sad.
:(
Betty
08-06-2009, 02:34 PM
John Hughes made the movies that I spent my teen years watching - and obsessing over. I've lost track of how many times I've seen The Breakfast Club and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
Ghoulish Delight
08-06-2009, 02:41 PM
Oof, that one hit me out of left field. :(
John Hughes made the movies that I spent my teen years watching - and obsessing over. I've lost track of how many times I've seen The Breakfast Club and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
And John Hughes made the movies I was honestly perplexed to discover my friends liked.
Betty
08-06-2009, 03:20 PM
And John Hughes made the movies I was honestly perplexed to discover my friends liked.
Shocking! (not)
Gemini Cricket
08-06-2009, 03:32 PM
Some of the films Hughes wrote:
Drillbit Taylor (2008) (story) (as Edmond Dantes)
Maid in Manhattan (2002) (story) (as Edmond Dantès)
Reach the Rock (1998) (written by)
Home Alone 3 (1997) (written by)
Flubber (1997) (screenplay)
101 Dalmatians (1996) (screenplay)
Miracle on 34th Street (1994) (screenplay)
Baby's Day Out (1994) (written by)
Beethoven's 2nd (1993) (characters) (as Edmond Dantès)
Dennis the Menace (1993) (written by)
Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992) (characters) (written by)
Beethoven (1992) (written by) (as Edmond Dantès)
Curly Sue (1991) (written by)
Dutch (1991) (written by)
Career Opportunities (1991) (written by)
Home Alone (1990) (written by)
Christmas Vacation (1989) (written by)
Uncle Buck (1989) (written by)
The Great Outdoors (1988) (written by)
She's Having a Baby (1988) (written by)
Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987) (written by)
Some Kind of Wonderful (1987) (written by)
Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986) (written by)
Pretty in Pink (1986) (written by)
Weird Science (1985) (written by)
European Vacation (1985) (screenplay) (story)
The Breakfast Club (1985) (written by)
Sixteen Candles (1984) (written by)
Nate and Hayes (1983)
Vacation (1983) (screenplay)
Mr. Mom (1983) (written by)
BDBopper
08-06-2009, 05:53 PM
Rockabilly legend Billy Lee Riley (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/03/AR2009080302828.html) He was one of my favorites! Enjoy one of his classics on Sun, "Red Hot" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We8k2irL5_0)
Not Afraid
08-06-2009, 08:11 PM
I've been meaning to post this for a few days now. I had missed that the great photographer Julius Shulman had passed in mid-July at the age of 98.
If you don't know the name, I'm sure you are familiar with this famous photograph of a Case Study House:
http://11.media.tumblr.com/0s8QkS9nqq73fx5eGwvmHWPmo1_400.jpg
Here's a link to his Times obit. (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/arts/la-me-julius-shulman17-2009jul17,0,5966195.story)
flippyshark
08-06-2009, 08:51 PM
Planes Trains and Automobiles is my favorite Hughes script. I liked The Breakfast Club for a short while, until it became everyone's "oh, I can so relate" movie. Vacation is lots of fun, but alas, I'm afraid Hughes is responsible for one of my least favorite genres - the Home Alone formula movie. (And the fact that he turned 101 Dalmatians into a "crooks fall into traps" HA clone really boiled my blood at the time.)
JWBear
08-06-2009, 09:10 PM
I've been meaning to post this for a few days now. I had missed that the great photographer Julius Shulman had passed in mid-July at the age of 98.
If you don't know the name, I'm sure you are familiar with this famous photograph of a Case Study House:
http://11.media.tumblr.com/0s8QkS9nqq73fx5eGwvmHWPmo1_400.jpg
Here's a link to his Times obit. (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/arts/la-me-julius-shulman17-2009jul17,0,5966195.story)
Case Study House #22 - The Stahl House - Pierre Koenig Architect (1959) To be precise...
JWBear
08-06-2009, 09:13 PM
Here's the same shot in color!
http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_csh_22_001.jpg
And the same view today
http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_1197943324_1.jpg
Strangler Lewis
08-07-2009, 07:14 AM
Budd Schulberg (http://thecelebritycafe.com/features/31387.html)
Would he have made it without the family connections?
SzczerbiakManiac
08-07-2009, 10:27 AM
Sincerely, John Hughes (http://wellknowwhenwegetthere.blogspot.com/2009/08/sincerely-john-hughes.html)
Betty
08-07-2009, 02:21 PM
Apparently John Hughes had a teenage pen pal many years ago named Alison. Alison grew up and wrote this blog post (http://wellknowwhenwegetthere.blogspot.com/2009/08/sincerely-john-hughes.html?fark) after John died. I found it an interesting and amusing read. And how sad that he died early - just what he was trying to avoid by quitting "Hollywood" so he wouldn't end up like John Candy.
SzczerbiakManiac
08-07-2009, 02:54 PM
<giggles quietly>
BDBopper
08-13-2009, 09:31 AM
Very sad news for music lovers and electric guitar players everywhere. Guitar legend Les Paul has passed away at the age of 94 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jBD78k8tewQ7FPeiKtJbK8QPmtzAD9A23LL00).
He will definitely be missed but his music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_75I4Mq2i8A) will live on forever.
blueerica
08-13-2009, 09:37 AM
I just found out, BDB... Wow.
Snowflake
08-13-2009, 09:59 AM
Wow, Les Paul. It's a sad sad day for the music world today.
[bowing head] He was awesome
Snowflake
08-13-2009, 02:25 PM
For the skateboarders, linkie here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_re_us/us_obit_kessler), pioneer Andy Kessler RIP
Kevy Baby
08-15-2009, 04:13 PM
Did you know there are over 2000 uses for wd-40? Get's gum out of hair and carpet! Pretty nifty.Makes a GREAT flamethrower (when used in conjunction with a lighter)!
mousepod
08-17-2009, 11:07 AM
Virginia Davis (Walt's original "Alice"), died Saturday. She was 90 years old.
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-content/uploads/alicevirginia1.jpg
Gemini Cricket
08-18-2009, 11:35 AM
Robert Novak (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/robert-novak-dead_n_262073.html)
Moonliner
08-18-2009, 11:53 AM
Generalissimo Francisco Franco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalissimo_Francisco_Franco_is_still_dead)
wendybeth
08-18-2009, 01:27 PM
Generalissimo Francisco Franco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalissimo_Francisco_Franco_is_still_dead)
The Spanish Inquisition got him. He wasn't expecting it.
Not Afraid
08-18-2009, 01:57 PM
Franco is still dead?
Kevy Baby
08-18-2009, 10:19 PM
I'm not (dead) (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0253070/)
Moonliner
08-19-2009, 05:00 AM
I'm not (dead) (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0253070/)
Looking at your resume, you might want to get a doctor to give you a second opinion on that.
DisneyDaniel
08-19-2009, 09:35 AM
Virginia Davis (Walt's original "Alice"), died Saturday. She was 90 years old.
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-content/uploads/alicevirginia1.jpg
Excerpt from D23 Website (http://d23.disney.go.com/articles/081709_NF_FEAT_VirginiaDavis.html):
IN MEMORIUM: VIRGINIA DAVIS
Virginia Davis McGhee, Walt Disney's first star and the lead child actress in his landmark silent "Alice Comedies," passed away at her home in Corona, California from natural age-related causes on Saturday, August 15. She was 90 years old.
Virginia made a total of 13 "Alice" films for Disney (with such intriguing titles as Alice Hunting in Africa, Alice's Spooky Adventure, Alice's Wild West Show, Alice Cans the Cannibals and Alice Gets Stung) and went on to appear in other roles as a child and supporting actress (including Three on a Match and The Harvey Girls).
She frequently participated in a variety of Disney fan celebrations, including a recent Disney historical gathering in Kansas City, Missouri, in May 2009 and an event in Anaheim in July 2009, hosted by the National Fantasy Fan Club. In 1998, The Walt Disney Company honored McGhee for her contributions to the Studio by naming her a Disney Legend.
JWBear
08-19-2009, 11:21 AM
You grew up in Corona? I'm sorry.
Gn2Dlnd
08-19-2009, 11:27 AM
Virginia Davis lived in Corona? Where I grew up? Why did I not know this?
Oops. NewsHour mentioned they'd be doing a retrospective on the career of Don Hewitt and I though "August really is a slow news month if there doing that a year later."
I'd honestly have sworn he died last year. I guess he'll never make a food of me again.
Gemini Cricket
08-19-2009, 03:12 PM
I guess he'll never make a food of me again.
Either Lisa logged in as Alex or Don Hewitt has Jeffrey Dahmer's palate.
Morrigoon
08-25-2009, 10:30 PM
Ted Kennedy
Not Afraid
08-26-2009, 07:04 AM
Ted Kennedy
The Irish Bar in Heaven is rocking today with a big Kennedy-style reunion. RIP Teddy. You will be missed.
innerSpaceman
08-26-2009, 08:05 AM
oh, this was hardly unexpected, but is hitting me with great sadness.
(and matching gladness that my friend with a brain tumor seems to have dodged that particular death sentence.)
I recently read that John Kerry is stepping up as a major negotiator, dealmaker, reconciler, player as ... well, now, the senior senator from Massachusetts. Quite a pair of shoes to fill.
Waaa, I have such a soft spot for Teddy. Ya know, stuff and all.
Snowflake
08-26-2009, 08:05 AM
The Irish Bar in Heaven is rocking today with a big Kennedy-style reunion. RIP Teddy. You will be missed.
1171
I expect a few of the family will show up NA. ;)
Godspeed to the "caboose" of the family train. RIP Teddy.
Strangler Lewis
08-26-2009, 09:05 AM
Does Ted get to drink in heaven? Has the family forgiven Kick and does Rosemary have her brain back?
I find it odd that the press refers to Ted as the last surviving brother, since he held that title for 41 years under unusual circumstances. You want a last surviving brother? One word: Zeppo.
That said, despite the fact that my first hard-to-shake childhood impression of him from 1969 was that he was a bad man, it's very sad.
Capt Jack
08-26-2009, 09:31 AM
That said, despite the fact that my first hard-to-shake childhood impression of him from 1969 was that he was a bad man, it's very sad.
thank you. I was trying hard to find a diplomatic, respectful of the dead way to put that.
R.I.P. TK
SzczerbiakManiac
08-26-2009, 11:22 AM
Sadie Corré (http://www.cosmosfactory.org/), the Little Person Transylvanian from RHPS. Obit as Cosmo's (http://www.cosmosfactory.org/obit.html)
mousepod
08-26-2009, 11:46 AM
Ellie Greenwich (http://www.legacy.com/star-gazette/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStoryPrint&PersonID=131930983). Sad.
Gemini Cricket
08-26-2009, 03:09 PM
Dominick Dunne, too.
Snowflake
08-26-2009, 03:10 PM
Dominick Dunne, too.
Aw, I will miss his diary and stories in Vanity Fair.
Kevy Baby
08-26-2009, 09:18 PM
Ted KennedyThe Kopechne family has raised their flag from half staff
JWBear
08-27-2009, 08:31 AM
The Kopechne family has raised their flag from half staff
Completely uncalled for.
scaeagles
08-27-2009, 08:49 AM
Not to the Kopechne family.
JWBear
08-27-2009, 10:44 AM
So... years from now, when Laura Bush dies, we can make snide and tasteless comments about the Douglas family celebrating her death?
Dredging up 40 year old history to attempt to trivialize the death of one of the greatest figures in the history of the US Senate for partisan reasons is, imo, disgusting. Try and have some class like Nancy Reagan, Michael Steele, Mitch McConnell, and George Bush Sr. (among many). They all praised Kennedy’s nearly 50 year record of service to this country and dedication to making the lives of his fellow Americans better; and rightly so.
Ghoulish Delight
08-27-2009, 10:57 AM
I don't think it's unfair to make mention of what he did 40 years ago. It was a tragic thing that he was responsible for and no amount of good he did afterward can change the fact that he was responsible for a young woman's death.
That said, I do find Kevy's comment a tad bit in bad taste if only because it paints a rather unflattering picture of the Kopechne family as petty and spiteful. I can't put myself in the shoes of someone who's had to suffer such a tragedy, but I would hope for their sake that they've been able to move over the last 40 years such that they haven't spent it wishing death on someone.
I don't see any problem with mentioning Chappaquiddick at this time. It was a significant blight on his life and career and says some ugly things about abuses of power. Does that necessarily diminish what he did as a politician? No.
But then what he did as a politician should also not burnish what he did as a drunk driver.
As for whether Laura Bush's fatal car accident is at all equivalent (nobody was under the influence, no criminal charges were filed, no serious allegations of abuse of power to cover it up, and she was 17 and not 37 so sheer youthful stupidity\inexperience is a much stronger defense than for the 37 year old Kennedy).
I'll agree that it was crudely put, though.
JWBear
08-27-2009, 12:43 PM
There was no indication that he was drunk; that's complete hearsay. People who spoke to him immediately after the accident did report that he was disoriented, but this is consistent with the concussion that he suffered.
Yes, there is no proof that he wasn't drunk; but that doesn't automatically prove he was. The only thing he was convicted of was leaving the scene of an accident.
Second point... What abuse of power? He submitted to a criminal trial and, by all accounts, was completely cooperative with the authorities. He offered to resign his seat but was convinced otherwise by the overwhelming support he received from the residents of Massachusetts. If you are referring to the suit brought by the Kopechne family that was settled out of court... well, most lawsuits are. It proves nothing.
Yes, ultimately he was responsible for the death of Miss Kopechne. And he paid a steep price, both politically and personally for it. He wasn't the drunken, evil, rampaging, irresponsible monster that the right wing likes to portray him as. His long and distinguished career in the Senate proves that. The accident is ancient history. Honor the great service the man has given to this country, and let the past go.
The man just died. Have the decency to give him (and his loved ones) just that little bit of respect.
mousepod
08-27-2009, 12:58 PM
I'm not trying to pile on, but why should there be a moratorium on dark humor when someone dies? Sometimes, the jokes are most apt amid the flood of tributes.
I have. I just don't consider pretending it didn't happen and expunging it from the record through some moral statute of limitations to be a necessary element of such respect.
And apparently nobody has any respect for him and his loved ones, every single career recap/obituary I've seen in the last 24 hours has included mention of the black mark on his career that Chappaquiddick was.
You obviously disagree but personally I see it as quite obvious that a lot of how the aftermath went down was more a result of his last name, not the merits of the situation. If she had been driving him I somehow doubt she'd have just been off with a leaving the scene charge.
Though I'm a bit curious if Kevy Baby was intentionally turning the tables on the thread that happened when Jesse Helms died and everybody was quite clear that being dead was no reason to ignore the bad things a person had done (I believe the suggestion was made that simple respect for the people who loved him could warrant restraint, and this was rejected), regardless of how long ago. He may have suspected that this is a sentiment that isn't necessarily truly universal. Just supposition on my part, though.
Ghoulish Delight
08-27-2009, 01:12 PM
I'm no enemy of dark humor, I just found Kevy's entry a little lame as all it did was drag the Kopechne family's name into it just to take a pot shot at Ted.
Not Afraid
08-27-2009, 01:18 PM
It took a whole day and a half for this discussion to begin. I'm impressed!
JWBear
08-27-2009, 01:39 PM
I have. I just don't consider pretending it didn't happen and expunging it from the record through some moral statute of limitations to be a necessary element of such respect.
And apparently nobody has any respect for him and his loved ones, every single career recap/obituary I've seen in the last 24 hours has included mention of the black mark on his career that Chappaquiddick was.
I never said that it shouldn't be mentioned. But neither should his entire life be summoned up by the name "Kopechne".
You obviously disagree but personally I see it as quite obvious that a lot of how the aftermath went down was more a result of his last name, not the merits of the situation. If she had been driving him I somehow doubt she'd have just been off with a leaving the scene charge.
If everything had otherwise been equal, then why not? Leaving the scene was the only illegal thing he did. The actual driving off the bridge was an accident; it could have happened to anybody. We can not know what was going through his head afterwards. Concussion, panic, fear, guilt, horror... these all can make you do things you wouldn't otherwise. We all do things that we later regret. No one is immune, not even US Senators. He reacted like a Human; how horrible of him. But all these irresponsible actions were after the accident. Even if he had done everything correctly and properly, Mary Jo Kopechne would still be dead.
Though I'm a bit curious if Kevy Baby was intentionally turning the tables on the thread that happened when Jesse Helms died and everybody was quite clear that being dead was no reason to ignore the bad things a person had done (I believe the suggestion was made that simple respect for the people who loved him could warrant restraint, and this was rejected), regardless of how long ago. He may have suspected that this is a sentiment that isn't necessarily truly universal. Just sopposition on my part, though.
I did not, and I still do not agree that making light of Helms’s death was ok. I can not give Kevy a pass just because others made light of it.
I'm no enemy of dark humor, I just found Kevy's entry a little lame as all it did was drag the Kopechne family's name into it just to take a pot shot at Ted.
Agreed.
mousepod
08-27-2009, 01:53 PM
I'll always remember him this way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdl86KNkt_M)
Snowflake
08-27-2009, 02:02 PM
I'll always remember him this way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdl86KNkt_M)
My God, that's just incredibly awful. :D
On a news report I was watching last evening, someone (and I can't remember who) recalled that one of his best memories was hanging with Ted Kennedy until the wee hours belting out show tunes. Who knew he was a showtune queen? Of course, he sure as hell was not a sweet Irish Tenor based on Mousepod's youtube link. :D Somehow imagining Ted Kennedy belting out tunes from Wicked or Spamalot makes me smile a little more.
I never said that it shouldn't be mentioned. But neither should his entire life be summoned up by the name "Kopechne".
I agree. I disagree that anybody did so.
Though I will admit to an urge to throw dirt a bit. But I always feel that way when our society is in one of its paroxysms of posthumous fellatio.
Regardless of how good a person the fellatee is. And Kennedy was a good politician, I have no strong reaction either way to his death.
If everything had otherwise been equal, then why not?Everything couldn't be equal, she wasn't a Kennedy. Like I said, obviously you disagree and we can never know who's right. Though I am.
I did not, and I still do not agree that making light of Helms’s death was ok.You didn't make light of it, but you hardly showed any respect to him or his family and did express your happiness that he was dead and hoped he was enjoying his first night in hell. It doesn't strike me as such an extension to assume that those actually harmed by the deceased (if you believe there was harm) might have a similar feeling.
(Though I find it as pointless to suppose their reaction as it is for you to assume insult to Kennedy and his family.)
Now everybody get back to the posthumous fellatio! As a collective nation, it is what we do best.
In terms of making light, I suppose this would be a really bad time to break out the Ted Kennedy Volkswagen commercial?
Snowflake
08-27-2009, 02:19 PM
In terms of making light, I suppose this would be a really bad time to break out the Ted Kennedy Volkswagen commercial?
??
mousepod
08-27-2009, 02:23 PM
??
A classic National Lampoon parody ad. They were sued by VW and razored it out of almost every copy of the book.
BTW, Alex. I think "paroxysms of posthumous fellatio" would be a great name for a band.
Well, since you ask (should have said ad not commercial).
From an early '70s issue of National Lampoon (http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834515db069e20115714e8332970b-800wi) (I won't actually embed the picture since I'm sure it will upset some)
scaeagles
08-27-2009, 02:28 PM
My favorite memory of Ted Kennedy was nothing he said...it was something said by Robert Byrd, I believe. There was a picture on the tabloids of Ted on his Yacht in the Atlantic surrounded by several bikini clad females. Upon seeing it, Byrd said "I thought Kennedy was against off shore drillin'. ".
Edited to add: OK, I was wrong....there's the exact quote, and it wasn't Byrd, it was Alabama Senator Howell Heflin.
"Well it does appear that the good Senator from Massachusetts has reversed his position on off-shore drillin'!"
Snowflake
08-27-2009, 02:48 PM
My favorite memory of Ted Kennedy was nothing he said...it was something said by Robert Byrd, I believe. There was a picture on the tabloids of Ted on his Yacht in the Atlantic surrounded by several bikini clad females. Upon seeing it, Byrd said "I thought Kennedy was against off shore drillin'. ".
Edited to add: OK, I was wrong....there's the exact quote, and it wasn't Byrd, it was Alabama Senator Howell Heflin.
"Well it does appear that the good Senator from Massachusetts has reversed his position on off-shore drillin'!"
That is a hilarious story. Admitting my ignorance, I had to go look up the good Senator from Alabama and wiki provided this funny anecdote:
On July 19, 1994, Senator Heflin was dining in the Capitol with some Alabama reporters, and felt like he had to sneeze. The Senator reached into his pocket and pulled out a bit of fabric and began to wipe his nose with a pair of ladies underwear. His office later released the following press release: [This morning] "I mistakenly picked up a pair of my wife's white panties and put them in my pocket while I was rushing out the door to go to work. Rather than take a chance on being embarrassed again, I'm going to start buying colored handkerchiefs."
Snowflake
08-27-2009, 02:50 PM
Well, since you ask (should have said ad not commercial).
From an early '70s issue of National Lampoon (http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834515db069e20115714e8332970b-800wi) (I won't actually embed the picture since I'm sure it will upset some)
Oh, okay, I do remember seeing this somewhere.
flippyshark
08-27-2009, 03:43 PM
I'll always remember him this way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdl86KNkt_M)
Wow, I learn new things every day. So "Three Caballeros" is not an original tune. (And I'm kind of impressed I recognized it from Ted's tortured rendition of it.)
mousepod
08-27-2009, 03:45 PM
Wow, I learn new things every day. So "Three Caballeros" is not an original tune. (And I'm kind of impressed I recognized it from Ted's tortured rendition of it.)
Wasn't there an episode of some old Disney podcast that talked about this song? (cough, cough)
DreadPirateRoberts
08-27-2009, 03:53 PM
Wasn't there an episode of some old Disney podcast that talked about this song? (cough, cough)
episode #24?
flippyshark
08-27-2009, 04:32 PM
Okay, time to dig that one out of the archives and give it a re-listen. (Don't feel too bad, mp. I've forgotten practically everything I've ever known in the past six weeks. Florida summers are a beeyotch)
Morrigoon
08-27-2009, 04:34 PM
Thanks for that link Mousepod, that was funny!
JWBear
08-27-2009, 04:59 PM
My favorite memory of Ted Kennedy was nothing he said...it was something said by Robert Byrd, I believe. There was a picture on the tabloids of Ted on his Yacht in the Atlantic surrounded by several bikini clad females. Upon seeing it, Byrd said "I thought Kennedy was against off shore drillin'. ".
Edited to add: OK, I was wrong....there's the exact quote, and it wasn't Byrd, it was Alabama Senator Howell Heflin.
"Well it does appear that the good Senator from Massachusetts has reversed his position on off-shore drillin'!"
Ok... That's funny. :)
Not Afraid
08-27-2009, 09:49 PM
Between Michael Jackson and Ted Kennedy, the RIP in 2009 thread is going to be longer than the Soooooo thread!
JWBear
08-27-2009, 10:09 PM
Famous people just need to stop dying.
Ghoulish Delight
08-27-2009, 10:33 PM
Ted Kennedy:Committee for a Democratic Majority:Stanley Kaplan: _____
A) Kaplan Test Prep
B) Fleeing the scene of a crime
C) RIP (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obit-kaplanaug26,0,4154043.story)
Gemini Cricket
08-28-2009, 02:00 AM
I will say this, I saw Kennedy at some event that I attended in Boston. I don't remember what it was now. But when I saw him the first thing I thought was, 'Man, he has a huge head.' And he did.
I'm sad he's gone and people can say whatever bad things they want about him. I really don't care. I liked the guy. He was the only one with balls to say he supported gay marriage while leaders like Kerry tried to play it safe during the whole fight in MA. I tapped danced on the grave of Strom Thurmond and Jerry Falwell. I'm getting my shoes shined for when Rupert Murdoch dies. People can tap away on Ted's grave. I care not.
BDBopper
08-28-2009, 05:41 AM
Although we are completely on the other side of the ideological spectrum Ted Kennedy must be respected for standing up for what he believed in and not compromising it. There are not many on my side of the aisle that you can say that about, that's for sure. My condolences go out to his family and his supporters.
Gemini Cricket
08-28-2009, 06:03 PM
Adam "DJ AM" Goldstein
Adam "DJ AM" Goldstein
How is he doing?
Gemini Cricket
08-31-2009, 01:16 AM
How is he doing?
Not so good. He's dead.
Kevy Baby
08-31-2009, 08:27 AM
Not so good. He's dead.Still?!?
Isn't there some medication he can take for that?
I'd say he's doing fine. I'm not hearing any complaints from him (though in this case I have no idea who the "him" is).
Gemini Cricket
08-31-2009, 09:50 AM
I'd say he's doing fine. I'm not hearing any complaints from him (though in this case I have no idea who the "him" is).
Yeah, me neither. I had to look him up after the MSM kept mentioning him.
Strangler Lewis
09-11-2009, 12:53 PM
Run, run, run, run. Pant, pant, pant, pant. Climb steps, climb steps, climb steps, climb steps. Burst through the door, and . . .
Damn! Too late again! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090911/ap_on_re_us/us_obit_oldest_person)
At least she got to hold the title for a while (252 days ain't bad in this game). I always feel bad for Emma Tillman who died in 1997 after officially being the oldest person in the world for only 4 days. She probably hadn't even got the new letterhead back from Kinko's yet.
Moonliner
09-11-2009, 01:09 PM
How is he doing?
Oh, not to worry. He's spinning in his grave.
SzczerbiakManiac
09-11-2009, 01:31 PM
"An autopsy was scheduled to determine the cause of death."
Hmm, I'm gonna go with "old age".... :p
SzczerbiakManiac
09-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Larry Gelbart 81 (http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-larry-gelbart12-2009sep12,0,2812430.story)
Oh, not to worry. He's spinning in his grave.
Holy crap that is funny.
mousepod
09-14-2009, 08:30 AM
Jim Carroll died on Friday. Apparently he had a heart attack while writing at home. Very sad. I consider myself lucky to have seen him play live as singer and then perform as a poet. RIP Jim.
CoasterMatt
09-14-2009, 08:41 AM
:(
Kevy Baby
09-14-2009, 05:04 PM
The news is reporting that Patrick Swayze has passed. Trying to find online corroboration (because nothing is true until it appears on the internet)
ETA: AP one liner: LOS ANGELES, Calif. — A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jjHS8S3jIndU2oI6WHB_KqB-pvwAD9ANDHG03).
flippyshark
09-14-2009, 05:37 PM
Patrick Swayze. Very likeable guy, I thought. I didn't find Dirty Dancing or Ghost to be masterpieces, but Swayze is good in them, and certainly an iconic 90s star. Sad to lose him so early.
BarTopDancer
09-14-2009, 08:56 PM
:(
Very few celebrity death's get any sort of reaction from me. Sure, there is a loss to their industry but I didn't know them, I don't feel one.
This announcement got an "oh my god" out of me. I think the last person who got a reaction was Steve Irwin.
Not Afraid
09-14-2009, 09:54 PM
My one favorite Swayze moment was his appearance on SNL - especially the Chippendales sketch with Chris Farley. Still makes me laugh.
(http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu9mx_patrick-swayze-chippendale_dating)
Gemini Cricket
09-14-2009, 10:01 PM
Aww, that's sad. Poor guy.
:(
His ghost can come visit me any day, I tells ya.
And 80% of celebrity dead pool participants earn points today.
mousepod
09-15-2009, 09:45 AM
http://imgur.com/h9Guq.png
Snowflake
09-15-2009, 10:58 AM
http://imgur.com/h9Guq.png
VMPM
innerSpaceman
09-15-2009, 11:01 AM
BwaHahaha, I sense a line of comedy that will shine golden for many events to come.
BarTopDancer
09-15-2009, 11:09 AM
Is this going to turn into the new RickRoll?
Chernabog
09-15-2009, 11:14 AM
Kanye will never live this one down. What was he thinking?
Moonliner
09-15-2009, 11:43 AM
I was thinking that boycotting his music and appearances (ie the Leno show last night) was good, but making him an eternal laughing stock? Priceless.
Kevy Baby
09-16-2009, 08:04 AM
Kanye will never live this one down. What was he thinking?He wasn't: that was the problem
Mousey Girl
09-16-2009, 01:21 PM
I was thinking that boycotting his music and appearances (ie the Leno show last night) was good, but making him an eternal laughing stock? Priceless.
Can you boycott something you never did?
Ghoulish Delight
09-16-2009, 01:35 PM
Anticipating something like this, I've been participating in a preemptive boycott for over 31 years.
mousepod
09-16-2009, 02:11 PM
Henry Gibson.
Goodnight, funnyman.
Snowflake
09-16-2009, 02:18 PM
:-(
Flowers
(Flowers have always been the motivating force of my life)
They are not all flower children,
All those that use the name.
A lot are just imposters,
Playin' at the game.
Beware (beware),
Beware (beware)
Of artificial flowers,
They may be nice to look at,
But they're dead and can not grow.
Beware (beware),
Beware (beware)
Of artificial flowers.
They're plastic up on top,
And they're wire down below.
The real flower children
Are filled with love.
Phonies, they just scoff at love -
Their hearts are made of wood.
Beware (beware),
Beware (beware)
Of artificial flowers,
They may be nice to look at,
But they're dead and can not grow.
Beware (beware),
Beware (beware)
Of artificial flowers.
They're plastic up on top,
And they're wire down below.
True blue flower children
Do not act strange or queer.
They know the world has got to change,
And it must start right here.
Beware (beware),
Beware (beware)
Of artificial flowers,
They may be nice to look at,
But they're dead and can not grow.
Beware (beware),
Beware (beware)
Of artificial flowers.
They're plastic up on top,
And they're wire down below.
by Henry Gibson
flippyshark
09-16-2009, 02:30 PM
:snap: That is a great "A Poem by Henry Gibson."
Really one of a kind, that Henry.
Those are my favorite boycotts. And they provide a great excuse "I'm sorry, I'd join you in my boycott but I already have an essentially infinite number of them going and just don't have time for one more."
I thought I didn't know who Henry Gibson was but I was wrong.
Ghoulish Delight
09-16-2009, 04:23 PM
Thankfully, there are people out there to help those who are suffering from the condition that Henry Gibson finds himself with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUn1ZhJc4Hs).
:cheers:
Deebs
09-16-2009, 07:11 PM
Mary of Peter, Paul and Mary (http://www.comcast.net/articles/music/20090917/US.Obit.Mary.Travers/)
Ghoulish Delight
09-16-2009, 09:48 PM
:( My mom is a big fan of PP&M, they were definitely a large part of my childhood soundtrack. They were nothing but happiness and friendliness.
Strangler Lewis
09-16-2009, 10:04 PM
Ditto.
€uroMeinke
09-16-2009, 10:12 PM
Very Interesting
Ghoulish Delight
09-16-2009, 10:14 PM
Very Interesting
But not funny. (that's actually Arte Johnson's line).
€uroMeinke
09-16-2009, 10:16 PM
But not funny. (that's actually Arte Johnson's line).
Just sock it to me
Not Afraid
09-16-2009, 10:19 PM
Who is Kanye West?
Bye bye Mr. Gibson. You made my childhood a happy one.
blueerica
09-17-2009, 08:04 AM
Patrick Swayze. Very likeable guy, I thought. I didn't find Dirty Dancing or Ghost to be masterpieces, but Swayze is good in them, and certainly an iconic 90s star. Sad to lose him so early.
Late to the party, but I knew there would be a post about him.
I'll always love him as Dalton in Road House.
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/roadhouse_pat-430x300.jpg
So much cheese... good, delicious cheese.
(If the image breaks, I'll fix it later.)
RIP Patrick Swayze
JWBear
09-17-2009, 09:33 AM
I, for one, shall remember Mr Swayze in his greatest roll ever....
Miss Vita Boheme
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2315931243_ae42dd83b8.jpg
Red Dawn is my favorite movie in which Patrick Swayze appears. Though not so much because of him.
Kevy Baby
09-17-2009, 04:25 PM
I, for one, shall remember Mr Swayze in his greatest roll ever....
Miss Vita Boheme
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2315931243_ae42dd83b8.jpgOMG, he was BRILLIANT in that role. I gained a lot of respect for him for how well he got in touch with his feminine side and nailed that part.
JWBear
09-17-2009, 04:36 PM
"Today is a 'say something' hat day."
ozron
09-17-2009, 09:02 PM
I didn't know where else to post this...
Today we lost Charlie.
Charlie was 39 years old and the alpha male of our chimpanzee group. He was a character who recognized zoo staff and even some regular visitors, and had a strong bond with his keepers. Raised in a time when zoo animals were often involved with research, Charlie had a rudimentary sign language vocabulary, and would engage some of his favorite staff in conversation. He would often sign "chase" when he wanted to play his favorite game, which involved running from one end of the exhibit to the other.
The AZA annual conference was in Portland this week, and the keynote speaker on Tuesday was Jane Goodall, who has known Charlie all his life. Today was "zoo day", the final day of the conference, when the delegates visit the hosting zoo. 1500 zoo professionals were on grounds.
Charlie was active and engaged this morning, on exhibit and interacting with the rest of the group normally. Early in the afternoon, the chimps became very vocal and agitated. Charlie had simply died.
I spoke with Dave, Charlie's keeper and friend of 30 years, a short time later (in fact, he's the one who told me). He was holding it together, but this will be a tough time for him. This is the toughest part of a zookeeper's profession. Earlier this year, Dave had expressed concern over Charlie's reaction to his imminent retirement. A newspaper article about them described the two of them as "two old men, sitting together just enjoying each other's company."
Please keep Dave and the rest of the keeper staff in your thoughts. They are dedicated, caring professionals for whom love is a tool of the trade. And grief comes with the territory.
Goodbye, Charlie.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2985358709_929b9d0ee1_b.jpg
Snowflake
09-17-2009, 09:13 PM
Goodnight Charlie.
:(
Dr. Goodall, one of my heros of all time. I met her once, thrilling.
Not Afraid
09-18-2009, 07:39 AM
Sleep well, sweet Charlie. :(
flippyshark
09-18-2009, 08:41 AM
Goodnight Charlie.
:(
Dr. Goodall, one of my heros of all time. I met her once, thrilling.
I've also had that honor.
Bye bye Charlie. You were a credit to all hominids. :(
Gemini Cricket
09-18-2009, 12:15 PM
Poor Charlie.
:(
Poor Charlie.
:(
I read he was the inspiration for Bingo in the Banana Splits.
JWBear
09-18-2009, 01:18 PM
I read he was the inspiration for Bingo in the Banana Splits.
Thanks! Now I have that fvcking theme song in my head. I hate you.
Not Afraid
09-18-2009, 01:31 PM
Thanks! Now I have that fvcking theme song in my head. I hate you.
That's fine if it is The Dickies' version. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flMS2gHFOH0)
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z1/Tref_foto/bingo-banana-splits.jpg
Goodnight sweet prince.
I have been joking that 2009 will be known as The Year Everybody Died.
It's not so funny any more.
--t
I have been joking that 2009 will be known as The Year Everybody Died.
It's not so funny any more.
--t
It's not?
Well, if you're right, then maybe I should splurge for the Beatles box set after all.
Gemini Cricket
09-25-2009, 11:29 AM
Susan Atkins (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/susan-atkins-dead-manson-_n_299608.html)
Finally I can eat carbs again.
Gemini Cricket
09-25-2009, 12:22 PM
Not that I would ever do anything to get a one-way trip ticket to prison, but I can't imagine spending my whole life in a cell. There's a good reason right there to not do horrible, messed up sh!t.
Cadaverous Pallor
09-25-2009, 12:33 PM
Susan Atkins (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/susan-atkins-dead-manson-_n_299608.html)I have to say this.
I can't believe that tax dollars went to brain surgery for this murderer.
Deebs
09-25-2009, 12:38 PM
I can't believe that tax dollars went to brain surgery for this murderer.
Had the same thought, and was also trying to imagine how it would feel to be the surgeon.
Once someone is made a ward of the state, what is the obligatory level of care? If she'd had pneumonia would it be upsetting to waste money on antibiotics because she'd been bad?
I'm not bothered by it. If we don't want to provide medical care then either they should be let go or executions should be performed at sentencing.
Bornieo: Fully Loaded
09-25-2009, 01:00 PM
If I"m ever diagnosed with something, I think I'll go commit a crime so I can get free health care...
I hope those she murdered are resting better today...
Deebs
09-25-2009, 01:07 PM
If she'd had pneumonia would it be upsetting to waste money on antibiotics because she'd been bad?
The whole subject bothers me because I don't like feeling uncharitable, even toward people I believe have behaved badly.
Susan Atkins was not someone who'd just "been bad" and I am not suggesting that all prisoners are not deserving of medical care. Atkins' crime was particularly heinous, stabbing a pregnant woman as she begged for her life and the life of her unborn child. And she said (I believe it was on the witness stand?) that she did it because she was tired of listening to Tate's pleas for mercy.
Strangler Lewis
09-25-2009, 01:14 PM
When defense attorneys at capital trials argue in favor of mercy by saying things like "If Mr. Defendant were to have a seizure here or in prison, we'd do everything we could do to save his life," the D.A. gets up and responds, "Absolutely, we would, so that the state could visit the appropriate punishment on him, which is death." It follows that since a life sentence is punishment, the state has an interest in keeping people alive so they can punish them as much as possible.
Morrigoon
09-25-2009, 01:20 PM
But what happens when the original sentence was death, but that sentence was commuted to life imprisonment because the death penalty was briefly outlawed and you can't commute it back once the death penalty is reinstated?
(Not that I care, I just couldn't resist bringing up the point)
Strangler Lewis
09-25-2009, 01:40 PM
Then the only legal sentence is life, and the prior death sentence doesn't matter any more than a unanimous public opinion poll saying that we should still hang pickpockets.
Morrigoon
09-25-2009, 01:53 PM
Yes, but we were talking snarkily about health care and whether it's in the state's best interest to keep one alive to punish them for as long as possible.
Strangler Lewis
09-25-2009, 02:26 PM
I suppose the cheapest would be to abolish the death penalty and not provide LWOP prisoners any medical care. Of course, you'd have to have a medical system set up for the non-LWOP patients, so you wouldn't save much on medical expenses by withholding care, just perhaps on long-term living expenses.
JWBear
09-25-2009, 04:35 PM
I'm no expert on constitutional law, but I imagine that withholding medical care would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
Strangler Lewis
09-25-2009, 04:42 PM
Well, sure, but we're talking the best of all possible worlds here.
Sometimes medical intervention is required. For example, I believe the law is that the state may not execute someone who is insane at the time. Therefore, the state may may forcibly medicate the person to restore their temporary competence so that they can understand why they're being tortured during a botched lethal injection procedure.
Morrigoon
09-25-2009, 08:24 PM
I'm no expert on constitutional law, but I imagine that withholding medical care would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
Yes, but apparently only if you're guilty of a crime. Perfectly acceptable if you're the customer of a health insurance company.
Cadaverous Pallor
09-25-2009, 09:19 PM
Yes, but apparently only if you're guilty of a crime. Perfectly acceptable if you're the customer of a health insurance company.DING DING DING!!!
flippyshark
09-25-2009, 10:46 PM
Yes, but apparently only if you're guilty of a crime. Perfectly acceptable if you're the customer of a health insurance company.
Oooo - I'm gonna have to use that one.
William Safire is now bitching about word usage on another plane.
William Safire is now bitching about word usage on another plane.
He's probably arguing with Ron Ziegler about "inoperative" in the Watergate circle of Hell between lava showers.
--t
Kevy Baby
09-29-2009, 09:43 PM
Is Michael Jackson still dead?
bewitched
09-29-2009, 10:00 PM
Is Michael Jackson still dead?
No.
JWBear
09-29-2009, 10:03 PM
Yes.
wolfy999
09-29-2009, 10:29 PM
Maybe
BarTopDancer
09-29-2009, 10:38 PM
I'm not sure. I haven't heard anything about it on the news lately.
The Lovely Mrs. tod
09-29-2009, 11:10 PM
After three funerals don't they retire the trophy?
Gemini Cricket
09-30-2009, 02:44 PM
Saturn (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/gm-saturn-shutdown-automa_n_305419.html)*
General Motors Co. said Wednesday it would shut down its Saturn brand after an agreement with Penske Automotive Group Inc. to acquire it fell apart. Penske, citing concerns of whether it could continue to supply vehicles after a manufacturing contract with GM ran out, ended talks with GM Wednesday to acquire the brand.
*The car company not the planet.
RStar
09-30-2009, 05:06 PM
*The car company not the planet.
I'm glad you cleared that up! I was worried....
Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/arts/music/29lucy.html)
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z1/Tref_foto/hst_saturn_nicmos.jpg
Good night sweet prince.
JWBear
09-30-2009, 08:04 PM
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z1/Tref_foto/hst_saturn_nicmos.jpg
Good night sweet prince.
Sure you don't mean this dude?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Polidoro_da_Caravaggio_-_Saturnus-thumb.jpg/357px-Polidoro_da_Caravaggio_-_Saturnus-thumb.jpg
Cadaverous Pallor
09-30-2009, 09:19 PM
Is Michael Jackson still dead?He's just another part of me.
A-HEE-hee!
SzczerbiakManiac
10-01-2009, 09:23 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Polidoro_da_Caravaggio_-_Saturnus-thumb.jpg/357px-Polidoro_da_Caravaggio_-_Saturnus-thumb.jpgWow, his quarterstaff has a flaccid penis.
Kevy Baby
10-01-2009, 09:53 AM
He's just another part of me.
A-HEE-hee!You must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Cadaverous Pallor again.
.
SzczerbiakManiac
10-11-2009, 05:12 PM
Steven Gately: March 17th, 1976 - October 10th, 2009 (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/boyzones-steven-gately-dies-on-spanish-holiday-20091011-gs8f.html?autostart=1)
He was not well known in the US, but he was part of the boy-band Boyzone (http://www.boyzone.net/) which was huge in the UK. He came out as gay ten years ago while still in the band.
As of this writing, details are not yet know. As we know is that he was on vacation with his husband Andrew Cowles while on vacation in Mallorca.
His official web site (http://www.stephengately.co.uk/)
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Gately)
You will not be forgotten Stephen, No Matter What (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNvTQOhJUE).
Captain Lou Albano (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/14/entertainment/main5384001.shtml).
He was on his way out just when I was entering my very brief (maybe 2 years all in all) enjoyment of professional wrestling.
Strangler Lewis
10-14-2009, 10:32 AM
Captain Lou Albano (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/14/entertainment/main5384001.shtml).
Doing the ultimate job. RIP, cheater.
Gn2Dlnd
10-14-2009, 10:52 AM
He was on his way out just when I was entering my very brief (maybe 2 years all in all) enjoyment of professional wrestling.
When I first scanned this I thought it said, "He was on his way out just when I was entering my very brief (maybe 2 years all in all) employment in professional wrestling." And I thought to myself, "Huh."
I may have only been 12 but I was quite the showman.
Cadaverous Pallor
10-14-2009, 11:56 AM
Capt Lou! :( No one wore a rubber band in his facial hair quite like Lou. He was among the 80's superstars who ended up in the WWF animated series.
The link mentions his appearance in the Girls Just Wanna Have Fun video, but I also remember him from the Super Mario Bros Super Show, playing Mario.
My enjoyment of professional wrestling wasn't brief, though it ended a long time ago.
Most of my exposure to Albano wasn't so much from actual wrestling as the Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Hogan%27s_Rock_%27n%27_Wrestling). Of course, he didn't voice the character, but still.
And looking at that page I learn that Brad Garrett was the voice of Hulk Hogan.
At least the Iron Sheik and Jimmy Snuka are still with us.
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