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"I trust the American people to understand that it is not weakness, but wisdom to talk not just to our friends, but to our enemies, like Roosevelt did, and Kennedy did, and Truman did."
~B.H. Obama

Huh? What is he talking about here? Roosevelt didn't talk to Hitler, Mussolini, or Tojo. Truman didn't talk to Kim Sun either. Kennedy did talk to Khrushchev but that only emboldened the Soviet dictator.

Is that what Obama wants to do....embolden our enemies:confused:

Cadaverous Pallor

05-13-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 210290)

Oh, CP's Dad is convinced that the fact that his middle name is Hussein that he's clearly got sympathies for our enemies.

I'm not exaggerating.

Did you hear the part where my Mom stated that she steadfastly believes he's a secret Muslim and he's going to pull one over on us once he gets in the White House? Again, no exaggeration. My father wasn't willing to go that far...

Cadaverous Pallor

05-13-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff (Post 210349)

OMG, yes, of course, that's what he wants, to embolden our enemies! It's all so clear now! That's exactly what he meant!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm no student of history, really. I don't know what he meant, what he was referring to. I admit that. Hell, sounds like a bungle to me. Doesn't mean I'm going to take the sentence to some silly conclusion.

Yeah, I called it silly. Gloves are off. :rolleyes: My eyes are going to roll right out of my head.

sleepyjeff

05-13-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 210353)

The ironic thing is, if President, Obama most likely will act extraaggresive towards Islamic terrorism just to prove he isn't a secret Muslim.

sleepyjeff

05-13-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 210357)

Wow...just wow. So even the "issues" are off limits as discussion points when it comes to Obama?

Why are you voting for him(don't mention character or issues since those seem to be off limits)???

wendybeth

05-13-2008 01:34 PM

Sounds like he might try diplomatic measures, the bastard!!!!:rolleyes:

Please, SJ- don't you have anything better than that?

(For the record- plenty of POTS's have engaged in diplomacy, and not just with interns.)

scaeagles

05-13-2008 01:43 PM

It's naive. I don't think Obama understands that negotiations and talks with people in other cultures mean the same things as negotiations and talks do to US citizens. There's a lot of cultural things involved, including posturing, that are just as important as the words spoken in any meeting.

Talking with Hamas (and yes, I do believe the Hamas endorsement means something since there was an Obama advisor who did talk to Hamas) or Ahmadinejad is not the same thing as talking to Merkel or Brown.

wendybeth

05-13-2008 01:46 PM

I believe that's what advisers are for, Scaeagles. Which might explain the mess we're in now.

Ghoulish Delight

05-13-2008 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff (Post 210370)

Wow...just wow. So even the "issues" are off limits as discussion points when it comes to Obama?

Why are you voting for him(don't mention character or issues since those seem to be off limits)???

Your accusation was ludicrous. You were postulating that a candidate for President willfully wants to help our enemies. Do you actually believe that? Do you really and truly believe his intent is to help our enemies? Really?

Motorboat Cruiser

05-13-2008 01:50 PM

Sleepyjeff - She didn't say anything was off-limits; she said your conclusion was silly ... and it is. Dialog doesn't necessarily embolden enemies, no matter how much the right blogosphere keeps repeating it.

Oh, and according to this article, Roosevelt did engage in dialog with both Hitler and Mussolini.

From Time - Oct 10th, 1938

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Then the President proceeded to draft his second appeal to Adolf Hitler, urging not only continued negotiation of the German-Czech issues but also a broad discussion, among all the powers directly interested, of questions correlated with those issues. Said President to Fuhrer: "Hundreds of millions throughout the world would recognize your action as an outstanding historic service to all humanity."

This plea the President further backed up by cabling a personal suggestion to Benito Mussolini that he say a restraining word to Herr Hitler. Mussolini already urged to this by Prime Minister Chamberlain (see p.15), had already talked to Herr Hitler by telephone when Ambassador Phillips in Rome arrived with Mr. Roosevelt's message.

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