I'd really prefer to see people not consider Clinton the best choice to run the country without that making it ok to call her bitch and ****, even in jest, any more than the same decision about Obama would make it ok to break out the ******s and porch monkeys followed by winks.

Visible Alex mojo. Hear, hear.

And I'm pretty sure some terrible things were said about Bhutto by those who didn't like her.

I didn't mean to imply that it's ok to call Hillary a bitch or any other names, nor is it ok to slander. I was trying to convey that I think this country is ready for a woman president, but that woman is not Hillary.

I know, I've made the same decision. I'm not in any way saying I have a problem with not wanting Clinton to be president.

But I think I've heard Clinton referred to as a bitch about a dozen times today (here's Penn Gillette talking about a joke he found a bit offensive as he was telling -- or so he says -- that went over huge and he feels shows how the country will vote) and the post above wasn't the first ****.

You mean being a voter in Oregon might actually count this year!! Wow, usually everything's decided before we ever get to give our opinions. Of course we're still 3 months off, so I'll wait and see.

THANK YOU!!!!!!

(Were you in bed with us last night? You distilled the conversation into one strong drink.)

I've got pictures of posters put up by people who didn't like Bhutto- far worse things were said about her.

Just to clarify, I don't like Hillary, but I wouldn't describe her as anything more than a very driven person- not at all in the realm of what I use 'bitch' for.

Not to derail the thread too much, but I've heard several black coworkers say that they won't vote for Obama, because he's not black enough. What a weird world.

This thread inspired me to add a signature to my post. Not out of any disrespect, mind. I just rewatched the episode recently, is all.

Well it sure is not Condi, either.

Of the current female politicos I can think of, not one comes to mind as someone I'd vote for as president.

I still keep wondering, what is the big issue that america has, why does it have to be am issue race or gender? I do not mean to derail this excellent thread begging the question. I think I am just naive, plain and simple.

There's a catch-22 for female politicians. The only ones that stand a chance of getting elected to office are ones that present themselves as "strong women", go out of their way to show that they have a strong attitude to "stand up to the men". Which then, as they get more national exposure, opens them up to the "bitch" label.