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scaeagles 09-04-2008 02:31 PM

I could draw a similar parallel between voting for the dem congress and senate, who have lower approval ratings. Most in general, though, believes their particular rep or senator isn't the problem....this is why incumbants usually win reelection.

And I'd add that so many conservatives are disenchanted with Bush (me among them) that we also fit in the headed in the wrong direction category when you throw in dem majorities in the house and senate. All those who think we are headed in the wrong direction do not necessarily agree as to what the right direction is.

Ghoulish Delight 09-04-2008 02:43 PM

This is true, but McCain is pretty much a guarantee of continuing to travel in that wrong direction.

scaeagles 09-04-2008 02:49 PM

Again, it depends on your definition of the wrong direction, which will vary quite a bit in the 75% of those who say the country is headed the wrong way. I do not concur with your assessment, though of course many, many would. And by the looks in the polls, 42% seem to agree with me, and 42% seem to agree with you (based on the CBS poll that's out today).

Ghoulish Delight 09-04-2008 02:55 PM

And I wonder what percentage of that 42% that agrees with you still swallows the lie that we're fighting Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Iraq.

scaeagles 09-04-2008 02:57 PM

I wonder what 42% of those that agree with you think, like Obama said, that Iran is just a tiny country that poses no real threat to the US or her interests.

Ghoulish Delight 09-04-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 237390)
I wonder what 42% of those that agree with you think, like Obama said, that Iran is just a tiny country that poses no real threat to the US or her interests.

One is a lie, the other is a matter of opinion. Considering how insanely overblown the threat that Iraq posed was, I'm inclined to not take as gospel, from the same overblowers, the threat posed by Iran. There's also the fact that I much prefer a leader that looks at a country that's huffing and puffing and posturing and responds by staring them down and saying, "Ummm, you don't really scare us."

In other numbers, Obama retains a 71 electoral vote lead. 38 of those are of the "barely Obama" variety, while 51 of McCain's are barely his. Still Obama's to lose.

Morrigoon 09-04-2008 03:09 PM

In that vein, given the setup, if McCain wins, it's not a failure of the electorate half as much as it is a failure of the Democrats.

As one talking head put it: "Leave it to Hillary to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory." (Blaming her for the damage to the overall Democrat campaign to replace the GOP in the white house)

Tom 09-04-2008 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 237390)
I wonder what 42% of those that agree with you think, like Obama said, that Iran is just a tiny country that poses no real threat to the US or her interests.

Except that Obama didn't say that. He said that Iran and it's threat were tiny compared to the Soviet Union. It was a comparative statement, not an absolute one. He has made perfectly clear numerous times that he regards Iran seriously.

innerSpaceman 09-04-2008 03:15 PM

scaeagles, have you drunk the kool-aid, or was that a legitimate error on your part? Because otherwise, it stinks of the same misleading crap Republicans love to spread like the manure it is.

Ghoulish Delight 09-04-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon (Post 237397)
In that vein, given the setup, if McCain wins, it's not a failure of the electorate half as much as it is a failure of the Democrats.

As one talking head put it: "Leave it to Hillary to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory." (Blaming her for the damage to the overall Democrat campaign to replace the GOP in the white house)

There's only so much a campaign can do. If the voters continue to allow themselves to be lied to and fooled into believing that we're at war with the boogieman, then Obama is going to lose and there's nothing he can do about it.


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