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Strangler Lewis 02-14-2008 09:49 AM

Nice but troubling rendering of him. Makes me want to buy war bonds, or sing The Internationale or dye my hair blonde and climb a mountain. I prefer my idols with clay feet, especially when they haven't done anything yet.

BarTopDancer 02-14-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 191923)
No, you mistook my meaning. We call her Hillary because there's already been a well-known Clinton. We call him Dubya because there's already a well-known Bush.

Have I said "Enough with the dynasties" lately?

I'm in line with CP on this. If Hillary becomes elected then it's going to be contextual President Clinton. Or it may be Hillary. Perhaps she's promoting her "first name basis" to appeal more reachable (like corporate management started doing during).

Also, it's not all that uncommon for men to call each other by their last names. Hey Obama, what's going on? But it's rare that a group of women do. And even if they did, "Hey Clinton, what's going on?" Which Clinton are they speaking to?


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Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 191940)
No, we use Dubya when we're being demeaning.

Speak for yourself please. Dubya is a nickname/identification. His middle name starts with W. His first and last name are the same as his fathers. "Did you hear what George Bush did?" "Did you hear what President Bush did"? In both cases it doesn't specify which one. "Did you hear what Dubya did?" How is the later automatically demeaning?

Kevy Baby 02-14-2008 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowflake (Post 191991)
I really like this poster FEJ posted. If anyone wants a shot, they're offering 600 of them at some point today for $30. I can't seem to get the site to load, I expect the 600 will be gone in a nanosecond.

obama silk screen here (I'm assuming it's a silk screen or offset litho?)

The link won't load. I suspect they have a server that can't handle the load.

Alex 02-14-2008 10:15 AM

While taken on its own that poster of Obama is visually appealing I must admit I somewhat viscerally cringe at it because it brings to mind the Che iconography that so many idiots wear and old-style Soviet propaganda posters.

JWBear 02-14-2008 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 191940)
As far as dynasties go, I'll take another Roosevelt - or two.

How about those Harrisons? Bennie for President! Woot, woot!

Snowflake 02-14-2008 11:31 AM

Millard Fillmore should have had a dynasty.

€uroMeinke 02-14-2008 11:46 AM

just to clarify, I find I'm more interested in the semiotics of the campaign than the actual politics.

Not sure if it was a campaign decission early on to use "Hillary" it certainly would be a strategy to make her more freindly and familiar - and even distinguish her from her Husband. But I notice her people now are using "Senator Clinton" - which makes sense if it's experience that she's selling. It's still a long way to November, but it seems in this respect she may have already lost in the language war as her symbols contradict one another.

On the other hand, I too wonder about what it says that a Russian Constructavist image of Obama is one we find so appealing - certainly the style has other contexts - but then again campaigns are propaganda wars and good symbology goes a long way.

blueerica 02-14-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 192014)
While taken on its own that poster of Obama is visually appealing I must admit I somewhat viscerally cringe at it because it brings to mind the Che iconography that so many idiots wear and old-style Soviet propaganda posters.

I agree. I hate the whole revolution-as-fashion-statement that the imagery brings about, at least for me.

Strangler Lewis 02-14-2008 11:59 AM

I guess I'll have to take a look at it again.

Snowflake 02-14-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 192014)
While taken on its own that poster of Obama is visually appealing I must admit I somewhat viscerally cringe at it because it brings to mind the Che iconography that so many idiots wear and old-style Soviet propaganda posters.


I guess that's why I do like it, it is very similar to an early Soviet style of poster (I do like the fim posters of the era in a similar style). It did not strike me as something to cringe about, but in retrospect, I guess it is distastful in that way. I looked at it and liked it as a piece of art.

Their website seems to have crashed from the thousands of people aiming to snatch one of the 600 posters offered today. Alas, not me.


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