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scaeagles 09-17-2008 04:52 AM

Money only corrupts and influences politicians when given to republicans, Sleepy. You know that.

flippyshark 09-17-2008 07:25 AM

Yeah, you guys are right. This totally changes my mind.

Sorry - I don't mean to snark on you guys - I appreciate your perspective. But this constant insinuation of hypocrisy got old a loooong time ago. (and yes folks, there's plenty of it to go around in both directions.)

I just wish I could stop clicking on these politiocal threads, darn it. No good ever comes of it. peace out.

tracilicious 09-17-2008 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff (Post 240072)
Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
1) Christopher Dodd (D-CT) $133,900
2) John Kerry (D-MA) $111,000
3) Barack Obama (D-IL) $105,849

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/blogs/s...ie-mae%2C1672/


Obama almost did in 3 years what it took Dodd and Kerry nearly 20 to do....not that this is anything to be proud of(especially given the news of the day).


What's so bad about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions? All candidates are getting money from somewhere. At least Obama's not getting it from lobbyists.

Alex 09-17-2008 08:31 AM

The argument is that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lobbied strongly for deregulation that allowed them to get into the mess they're in and against regulation that would have reined them in.

Now, in the particular case of these two companies, since they were government franchised entities it was generally Democrats would supported their requests and Republicans who wished to rein them in. So I am not surprised to see this information.

Both parties were pretty complicit in the legislative changes over the last 15 years that contributed to our current mess -- though in this case Obama's relative lack of experience may help him since almost everything substantive that lead to our current financial sector crisis was done before he had a change to contribute one way or another.

Though by no means is our elected federal government solely to blame; the Fed gets its share for a policy that made credit incredibly cheap and then began raising rates just in time for option resets and of course the financial institutions themselves get the lion's share of blame for while deregulation may have made it possible, these companies looked common sense in the eye and said "**** that."


And just a side, note. I work for one of those "**** that" companies (though not in a role that in any way contributed) and there is a not-insignicant chance that the hens are coming to roost for us very soon.

scaeagles 09-17-2008 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 240093)
Both parties were pretty complicit in the legislative changes over the last 15 years that contributed to our current mess -- though in this case Obama's relative lack of experience may help him since almost everything substantive that lead to our current financial sector crisis was done before he had a change to contribute one way or another.

Excellent point on Obama.

This is why I am amused at Pelosi saying the democrats have no blame in the current mess. They all do.

flippyshark 09-17-2008 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 240093)
And just a side, note. I work for one of those "**** that" companies (though not in a role that in any way contributed) and there is a not-insignicant chance that the hens are coming to roost for us very soon.

Man, that's scary. I just hope my (Disney-run) bank holds out. (Not that I have much to lose.)

innerSpaceman 09-17-2008 09:30 AM

Brother can you spare a dime?

3894 09-18-2008 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 240105)
Brother can you spare a dime?

Everybody buckled up for another day of it?

wendybeth 09-18-2008 08:35 AM

Looks like the Palin bounce is wearing off: Latest poll results

sleepyjeff 09-18-2008 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendybeth (Post 240286)
Looks like the Palin bounce is wearing off: Latest poll results

Perhaps; but the latest electoral polls show the opposite:

http://www.electoral-vote.com

Not only does McCain lead by 31 now, but several traditional Blue States are either tied or slipping towards a tie(such as Oregon, Washington--work harder Wendy--, Michigan, Wisconsin--work harder Helen, and Minnesota).

Nice to see Colorado has gotten over their convention hangover;)


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