I was hoping someone was going to point that out. I was expecting it to be GD and expecting it to be done so in a harsh tone, but just happy that someone bothers reading my ramblings just the same. :)

If the president is just a figurehead then what is the point of hating the current one since he can't possibly be responsible for any of the things you hate?

Indeed, Alex. But I regard the President as much more than a figurehead. The power of the veto, submission of budgets, commander in chief, major director of foreign policy....these are all powerful things.

Burn!!!!

Fine !! Vote for Charlton Heston. :p

*waves Paw at NirvanaMan*

There are quite a few marting campaign slogans that could be absconded for use by politics. There's a reason they're both called campaigns - it's just a bunch of marketing (which is why I am also very jaded - I see the marketing as too obvious).

How about:

You're in good hands with Obama
Just do it.
We try harder
I'd rather fight than switch. (McCain, perhaps?)
We've come a long way, baby.
Try it, you'll like it.
Think outside the box

Or, "With a name like Clinton, it has to be good"

Since we've had any number of president-led military actions since World War II without a formal congressional declaration of war, I don't see how it can be said that the President is a figurehead.

As I've elaborated before, I think the figurehead status is in relation to domestic issues. Oh, I believe the Administration can have a big influence on Congress, and good use of the bully pulpit can be very powerful to the populace.


But I mostly think the power of the president lies in foreign affairs. So once I've determined that neither candidate A nor B will be Atilla the Hun, I don't much care which one wins. Hence, i pick the girl.

Eh, no worries. I knew when I started it that my "hey who digs Obama" thread would shortly become "let's post our disparate political views in a show of supposed debate but no one persuades anyone else" which I still dislike. Even as I am enthused about this race, I continue to stay out of political threads (oh wait, there's just one, and now this one, of course) so excuse me if I don't do much "debating".

News flash - one idiot didn't do his homework for a freakin' interview. :rolleyes:

I looked at the usual sources -Thomas etal - but I found this very cool site that compiles all sorts of data.

Clinton:Obama:The reason they did so "poorly" was due to being in the minority party. All of the site's wording aside - You mean to tell me that during all those years of experience, she didn't do much more than he did?

You're where I was after the Contract with America fell apart. All you can do is vote Libertarian, because they're the only ones that agree with you. Everyone else wants your money for one reason or another. Have fun, I know I did.

By "all those years of experience" you mean the 4 years Clinton was a Senat orbefore Obama became one?