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With rare exceptions, I vote Democrat. Given the chance, I would have voted for Richardson in the primary. On merit alone, much as I like Obama, I probably would have preferred Clinton. Nonetheless, I believe, rightly or wrongly, that if she is the nominee, we'll be fighting the Viet Nam War all over again with McCain on one side and Hillary and Bill on the "hippie side" (with Cheney, Rove, Gingrich and, yes, W.) Not a recipe for success.

We don't get that with Obama. Of course, we might get something else. The right wing operatives might run "Harold, call me" ads featuring clips or parodies of "Blazing Saddles" or "Mandingo." We'll see.

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer (Post 193860)

I'm here. I am a LoT Obama voter because I like what he has to say and I am hopeful it is implemented. I am not an ABC or an Anti-Rep voter. I am an Obama voter.

What is implemented? Hope? Change? Promising everyone anything and everything under the sun?

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis (Post 193869)

The right wing operatives might run "Harold, call me" ads featuring clips or parodies of "Blazing Saddles" or "Mandingo." We'll see.

Already getting left wing operatives at the NY Times hitting McCain. And I'm not even a McCain fan.

Another Obama voter here, but with the caveat that he wasn't my first choice.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 193876)

Already getting left wing operatives at the NY Times hitting McCain. And I'm not even a McCain fan.

So given a McCain / Obama choice what are you thinking about doing?

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Originally Posted by Rush

Even if you decide not to decide you still have made a choice

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 193875)

What is implemented? Hope? Change? Promising everyone anything and everything under the sun?

Getting out of Iraq for starters

Fixing our education system. Let's teach education to learn, not teach to a test that basically leaves kids without knowledge to succeed in life so schools can keep their funding.

Keeping Net Neutrality

Fixing our immigration system without screwing over our economy

These are the things I think can be done. These are the changes I hope are made. These are the things I believe, if they can be changed, it will be by him.

Then there is the whole gay marriage, stem cell research and abortion stance that is very important to me as well.

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About.com

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

On stem cell research and abortion (quote is stem cell research, more info on his abortion stance at that same link:

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OnTheIssues.Org

Barack Obama believes we owe it to the American public to explore the potential of stem cells to treat the millions of people suffering from debilitating and life threatening diseases. Stem cells hold the promise of treatments and cures for more than 70 major diseases and conditions such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, spinal cord injuries, and diabetes. As many as 100 million Americans may benefit from embryonic stem cell research. As president, Obama would:

* Promote Embryonic Stem Cell Research
* Support Medical Advancement and Innovation
* Expand the Number of Stem Cell Lines Available for Research
* Ensure Ethical Standards

Obama introduced legislation in the Illinois Senate to ensure that only those embryos that would otherwise be discarded could be used and that donors would have to provide written consent for the use of the embryos.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 193876)

Already getting left wing operatives at the NY Times hitting McCain. And I'm not even a McCain fan.

You are speaking, sir, of journalists at the paper of record.

McCain cheated frequently on his first wife. Wouldn't surprise me if he cheated on his second. That it might be with a lobbyist suggests a particular lapse in judgment, but not enough for me to truly care.

It is obvious due to shrinking circulation that many people are losing respect for the poorly named paper of record.

Both sides deny. No evidence. No evidence of votes cast against principle to support her lobbying.

Good Lord. I don't even like McCain and I have to defend him from stupidity.

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer;193893[URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/"

Fixing our immigration system[/url] without screwing over our economy

Because he'll leave screwing the economy to the other portions of his "plan".

I love how he claims to be able to provide "affordable" this or "affordable" that. How?

Much of these things are nothing new. Sorry, but they aren't. The only difference is he gives good speeches.

For the record - the Times' "story" on McCain is a joke. :rolleyes: What a load of heresay crap.