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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 197592)

Pretty dangerous going with two hard core liberals on the same ticket. I don't see it as a slam dunk at all.

Very perceptive of you. Because I won't vote for a ticket with Hillary on it, even with Obama headlining.

ok, that Goonie out. Doesn't change the tide. Sorry.

Elected Delegates is not the whole story, Moonie. Superdelegates are going to swing the election. Obama is likely to head into the convention with his roughly 100 delegate lead, and Clinton is likely to win the overall popular vote by the end of primary season. If she wins Pennsylvania, which is also likely, she's got a good argument that she is more electible by virtue of carrying the states that, like it or not, determine the presidential election for all of us.

A tiny swing of superdelegates is all it takes. That's why it's going to tie for all intents and purposes. If Clinton's big-states argument carries weight, she will be declaraed the nominee. The superdelegates don't want to go agains the will of the electorate, but they also want to win the White House. If Clinton wins the popular vote, that could be all the cover they need to award the nomination to the candidate a little behind in elected delegates.

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 197597)

I don't know what scaeagles is smoking, but it's an undeniable demographic fact that if Clinton's voters and Obama's voters unite, their sheer numbers will overwhelm the entirety of Republican voters.

This is based on turn-outs in the primaries. Democrats have outnumbered Republicans 2 to 1.

Only since McCain became a slamdunk have republican numbers dropped. For example Florida saw record turnout for their republican primary.

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 197600)

ok, that Goonie out. Doesn't change the tide. Sorry.

Elected Delegates is not the whole story, Moonie. Superdelegates are going to swing the election. Obama is likely to head into the convention with his roughly 100 delegate lead, and Clinton is likely to win the overall popular vote by the end of primary season. If she wins Pennsylvania, which is also likely, she's got a good argument that she is more electible by virtue of carrying the states that, like it or not, determine the presidential election for all of us.

A tiny swing of super-delegates is all it takes. That's why it's going to tie for all intents and purposes. If Clinton's big-states argument carries weight, she will be declared the nominee. The super-delegates don't want to go against the will of the electorate, but they also want to win the White House. If Clinton wins the popular vote, that could be all the cover they need to award the nomination to the candidate a little behind in elected delegates.

I think that if superdelegates are perceived as having selected the nominee then a lot of Democrats are going to be royally pissed at the party and vote for staying home on election day, essentially giving the election to McCain.

I predict that party leaders will NOT let that happen at all costs. Also I think if Clinton drops out her supporters will go grudgingly over to Obama. A large number of Obama supporters will never vote for Clinton. In fact a good number of independents will cross over and vote McCain.

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 195741)

Thomas Jefferson was a notoriously poor public speaker. After his first State of the Union address was inaudible to most of Congress, he never gave another one. The rest he sent to Congress in writing. There are also reports that he had a lisp.

Lincoln's voice was often described as high-pitched, unpleasant and shrill.

I guess it shows what good writing can do.

Tom, thanks for the little Presidential facts I did not know. Cool!

I have to say, I'm finding Hillary and Bill unpleasant and shrill, these days.

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 197600)

o she's got a good argument that she is more electible by virtue of carrying the states that, like it or not, determine the presidential election for all of us.

She's tried to play that card...except all that's been proven is that she wins them over Obama. She wouldn't be running against Obama in the general, she'd be running against McCain, and on that, Obama still has the advantage.

I agree with Moonliner, particularly that Clinton brings Obama down, Obama does not lift Clinton. There is a huge demogrphic of Obama voters that would never vote Hillary in any capacity, and McCain is centrist enough to pull in a large portion of those.

Not one of those, Scaeagles. He scares the hell out of me. I truly think he's whacked out.

Lol- this one's for Moonie:

“I am not running for vice president, I am running for president of the United States of America. I am running to be commander in chief,” Obama boomed to applause. “I don’t know how somebody in second place is offering vice president to the person in first place.”
(Columbus Town Hall meeting)

I honestly don't know if I would vote for Hillary if it came down to it. I wouldn't vote for McCain. I'd probably end up being a participant in the "Nader vote".