I would like to state, for the record, that seeing the terms "hoo-hah" and "love muscle" in a post from Alex has officially made my day.

I have my sights set higher - nothing short being the supreme ruler of the world will suffice.

wendybeth -- isn't this your cue?

I read on Amazon that he is now authoring Harlequinn romance novels.

But my point scaeagles is that you are conflating separate issues:

1) The right of a woman to control her own body.
2) Financial responsibility for offspring.

You said:

My, I'd like to think logical, response is that just because the former can impact the need for the latter does negate the independent existence of the latter. But I also fail to see how showing that you would be burdened if the baby is carried to term would give you the right to insist on being so burdened.

I too think life begins at conception. I just don't think that life gains the rights of a human being until quite a bit later in the process and until they turn 21 they slowly accrue them.

Another side question, if the issue for the pro-choice side is, at root, the right of a woman to control her own body, what should be done if technology were created to allow removal and ex utero development at any stage of pregnancy. Sex would still bring with it the emotional and financial risk of parenthood for the mother (as it currently does for the father) but not the bodily risk or change of carrying a baby to term.

Thank you, Prudence.

(Ahem...)

Title: Every Sperm Is Sacred
From: Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
Transcribed By: unknown


There are Jews in the world, there are Buddhists,
there are Hindus and Mormons and then
there are those that follow Mohammed -but-
I've never been one of them.
I am a Roman Catholic
and have been since before I was born,
and the one thing they say about Catholics is
they'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on, you're
a Catholic the moment dad came
...Because...
Every sperm is sacred,
every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate. (2x)
Let the heathens spill theirs,
on the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
each sperm that can't be found.
Every sperm is wanted,
every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed,
in your neighborhood.
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
spill theirs just anywhere
but God loves those who treat their
semen with more care.
(misc choruses)
Every sperm is useful,
every sperm is fine.
God needs everybodies,
mine, and mine, and mine.
Let the pagans spill theirs
on mountain hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
each sperm that's spilled in vain.
(misc. choruses and finale)

Per the other thread, I've stated that judgement is generally a personal thing.

Therefore I will not comment on the quoting of Monty Python.

Oh, so you're a picture type of guy?

Sure, especially since I have no idea what that is a picture of.

It's a picture of a class-action lawsuit aimed at an incompetent abortion doctor.