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Scrooge McSam 02-09-2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190745)
Edwards makes me vomit, more so than Hillary. The man is a smarmy condescending multi-millionaire poverty pimp hypocrite.

There is nothing wrong with money, but the whole "two Americas" coming from his mouth is really, really sickening.


I think I'm gonna write in Edwards.

tracilicious 02-09-2008 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190784)
AZ is now looking at passing open primary laws. I think this is stupid. Why should someone be allowed to vote for and assist in deciding the Republican nominee is if they are not a Republican?

I would like open primaries so that as an Independent, I can vote for whomever I choose.

€uroMeinke 02-10-2008 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190760)
Indeed.

It is exceptionally easy to talk about change. There are many eloquent and inspiring speech makers in the the world. I want to know how he's going to change things, with specifics of tax policy or health care or foreign policy.

Maybe it was the whole Clinton Health Care thing - but I find it laughable when Presidential candidates get into details when the fact is the brightest ideas in the world will never make it through congress.

scaeagles 02-10-2008 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tracilicious (Post 190809)
I would like open primaries so that as an Independent, I can vote for whomever I choose.

That's what the general is for. The primaries are for the members of political parties to chose who best represents their platform as a party to run in the general election. Someone not registered as a Republican, quite frankly, has no business participating in the Republican primary.

innerSpaceman 02-10-2008 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 190754)
but there's no guarantee the next chance will be there (look at the front runners from 2000 who probably figured they'd just have to wait through the Bush years and get take their turn).

You mean like McCain. :p

innerSpaceman 02-10-2008 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190760)
The whole call for "change" in and of itself is not impressive, particularly with such an unpopular President and legislative branch. The plans for change are what is needed to impress me.

OH MY GOD, I agree with scaeagles on something politcal. Someone shoot me!

Alex 02-10-2008 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 190827)
You mean like McCain. :p

Yes, if McCain is now a Democrat which is what I was, unclearly, talking about. But yeah, 2000 wasn't the best example since that year both parties had heir designates (Bush and Gore). Though on the Dem side none of the three people (Gore, Bradley, Wellstone) who even tried made an attempt this time around (Wellstone, being dead, was an extreme longshot).

But even from 2004. John Edwards was the only one of the several Democrats who made serious bids for the nomination that was able to justify another attempt in 2008. Wesley Clark, Howard Dean, Dick Gephardt, John Kerry, Joe Lieberman

Motorboat Cruiser 02-10-2008 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 190828)
OH MY GOD, I agree with scaeagles on something politcal. Someone shoot me!

Bang.

blueerica 02-10-2008 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190825)
That's what the general is for. The primaries are for the members of political parties to chose who best represents their platform as a party to run in the general election. Someone not registered as a Republican, quite frankly, has no business participating in the Republican primary.

I actually don't care either way, but, wouldn't the Repubs and Dems want to have a better idea where the swing votes would go? I always thought that somehow identifying where the Independent vote went within the primary (without breaching anonymity) would be pretty informative on who stood the best change of grabbing the swing votes, and knowing what issues were important to them...

scaeagles 02-10-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 190828)
OH MY GOD, I agree with scaeagles on something politcal. Someone shoot me!

Thinking of turning the gun on myself, actually.


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