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JWBear 02-10-2008 10:57 AM

Apropos of nothing... But, I had a dream last night that my father was an ex-president.

Cadaverous Pallor 02-10-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190760)
Indeed.

It is exceptionally easy to talk about change. There are many eloquent and inspiring speech makers in the the world. I want to know how he's going to change things, with specifics of tax policy or health care or foreign policy.

When someone starts to do that and their plans can be analyzed by economists or foreign policy experts or whomever it can become less inspiring. The whole call for "change" in and of itself is not impressive, particularly with such an unpopular President and legislative branch. The plans for change are what is needed to impress me.

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 190828)
OH MY GOD, I agree with scaeagles on something politcal. Someone shoot me!

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190845)
Thinking of turning the gun on myself, actually.

I'll shoot both of you, since I linked to Obama's plan in my last post. Shockingly, it isn't just him saying "change" over and over. :) I found it much more detailed than Hillary's site.

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Originally Posted by Bornieo: Fully Loaded (Post 190765)
I like President Bornieo

I'd vote for President Bornieo, the Love Bug. <imagines Bornieo stepping off a campaign plane, waving at the press, with the Love Bug theme blaring>

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Originally Posted by FEJ (Post 190785)
A good mashup of the Yes.We.Can speech.
Also I was able to procure a few of these a week or so ago from a friend who had them printed by Shepard:

I saw one of these posted at a house near mousepod's place last night. Dig.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190825)
That's what the general is for. The primaries are for the members of political parties to chose who best represents their platform as a party to run in the general election. Someone not registered as a Republican, quite frankly, has no business participating in the Republican primary.

I agree with this, even as I felt frustrated at my inability to vote on Super Tuesday. This is not about electing someone, it's about choosing who runs for election. I wouldn't want other people messing with my party either.

Let me just say that the results from Saturday are so exciting. Many thanks to Wendybeth for pulling in Washington for us. :D I heard spin beforehand saying WA was Hillary country, but, um, not so much.

I can't believe the convention isn't until August.

Morrigoon 02-10-2008 01:17 PM

Okay, am I the only one who thinks this about that slogan?


scaeagles 02-10-2008 02:23 PM

Visible mojo to Morrigoon for a good laugh.

scaeagles 02-10-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 190874)
I'll shoot both of you, since I linked to Obama's plan in my last post.


Frankly, CP, it's all the same stuff. Truely. "Eliminate tax cuts for the wealthy and give more to the middle class." How does he define the middle class and the wealthy? Is he someone like Gore, who believes that someone who make 250K/year is a millionaire in 4 years?

"Eliminate wasteful spending." OK. I'm all for that. What programs? What's he going to do to stop wasteful spending in education? It sounds from reading his stuff that he plans on a whole lot more money for education.

With most of the things I've read on his site, it basically says tax the wealthy more so we have money to improve the things that are important. He says the tax cuts for the wealthy have cost the country 2.3 trillion dollars, but tax revenues have increased.

Sorry. I do think he's a decent guy - unlike Hillary and McCain - but it's nothing different than the same old same old.

Alex 02-10-2008 05:39 PM

And with Maine, Obama makes it a clean sweep of the weekend. None of the four states was closer than 19 points and two were northern states.

With the caveat as always that the delegates still have a lot of guesswork in them, even including super delegates CNN now has Obama within 30 of Clinton at 1,148 to 1,121 (and Obama ahead 986 to 924 in pledged delegates).

At this point, so long as Obama can keep Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania from being blowouts in favor of Clinton, I think things are good for him to go into the convention with a pledged delegate lead. Since Bill Clinton is a superdelegate they better get to work on switching his vote.

lashbear 02-10-2008 07:48 PM

Hillary's prettier.

...and you'd get two presidents for the price of one.

Besides, there's been too many male presidents - we need a female president.

Cadaverous Pallor 02-10-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 190891)
Frankly, CP, it's all the same stuff.

People always complain that presidents get into office and then can't fulfill promises beause they have to deal with congress. To me, if he gets too specific, he'll be even more damned. Appealing to the country at large also takes flexibility.

I know, it sounds wishy washy, but he's got to be electable.

blueerica 02-10-2008 10:31 PM

Well, he won a Grammy, let's see what else the boy can win.

;)

innerSpaceman 02-11-2008 01:11 AM

I have to agree with Lashbear. In voting for Hillary (with the caveat that I'm one of the ones who can stand her), I'm likely voting for the first woman president to set a precedent. To me, that's really the most important thing.

I frankly feel the president has so little impact on Domestic issues that it really doesn't much matter which one it is that's not George Bush ... and the rest of the world is going to fall quickly to hell with our without America's tremendous help.


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