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alphabassettgrrl 12-18-2008 12:20 PM

Poor shark.

Mousey Girl 12-18-2008 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 259727)
I have a child. He just happens to look and sound like a piggie.

I have one of these too. Except mine is now 5'7" tall, 163#s, just turned 12 and never stops eating.

Moonliner 12-18-2008 10:07 PM

Hey Gals, or Guys...

Get the true measure of your man.

Probably NSFW.

CoasterMatt 12-18-2008 11:14 PM

Kidnapping Expert is Kidnapped.

€uroMeinke 12-18-2008 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoasterMatt (Post 259986)

That's gonna hurt business

€uroMeinke 12-18-2008 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 259975)
Hey Gals, or Guys...

Get the true measure of your man.

Probably NSFW.

Yeah, but everyone looks good in centimeters

JWBear 12-18-2008 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 259975)
Hey Gals, or Guys...

Get the true measure of your man.

Probably NSFW.

Two things...

I certainly hope that scale is in centimeters. :eek:

-And-

The "click to enlarge" button made me giggle.

Morrigoon 12-22-2008 02:57 AM

Huge space diamond nicknamed "Lucy"

Kevy Baby 12-22-2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morrigoon (Post 260340)

That is cool!

I wonder how long it will be until someone tries to mount that on a ring.

Morrigoon 12-26-2008 12:40 PM

I don't think any of us heard about the environmental disaster in Tennessee a few days ago. I just read this blog post about it. Eeep.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded 12-27-2008 08:30 PM

Hope this will solve the problem of people talking during the movie..

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...ing_movie.html

CoasterMatt 12-27-2008 08:57 PM

'bout damn time - I've wanted to beat the crap out of idiots that leave their cellphones on.

bewitched 12-27-2008 09:30 PM

What really sucks is when you're looking for the asshole with the ringing phone and realize that the asshole is you. Not that I would know or anything.

€uroMeinke 12-28-2008 10:30 AM

I don't know, I find small arms fire also distracting when trying to watch a movie.

CoasterMatt 12-28-2008 09:55 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Silence is Golden :evil:

bewitched 12-29-2008 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoasterMatt (Post 260877)
Silence is Golden :evil:


I SWEAR, it was an accident!

JWBear 12-29-2008 11:37 AM

Scaramanga?

€uroMeinke 12-29-2008 05:36 PM

What is it about having a third nipple that make you want to gild your firearms?

CoasterMatt 12-29-2008 07:58 PM

Brilliant Swedish Man Tries Self-Immolation To Impress Girlfriend

Quote:

A Swedish man's attempt to impress his date went horribly awry Friday, as he ended up lighting himself on fire and going into shock.
Here's my text recreation of the incident

Spoiler:
Bork, bork, bork- AAGGGGHHHHHH!!- BORK!! FIRE!!BORK!! BORK!!! :evil:

bewitched 12-29-2008 10:58 PM

Lucky girl! She's got herself a hottie. :D


(Oh, come on. You know you guys were thinking it...)

€uroMeinke 12-29-2008 11:14 PM

I wonder if he'll do a Jag/hearse conversion next

CoasterMatt 12-29-2008 11:14 PM

Hot time, in the old town, TO-NIGHT!!!

JWBear 12-31-2008 07:49 PM

Apparently, Prince William caused a stir by showing up at the family Christmas festivities wearing a beard. He says he's going to shave it off. Tis a pity... He looks much better with one.

Cadaverous Pallor 12-31-2008 08:34 PM

Hopefully he'll have the beard when he's King. Very Richard the Lionhearted.

JWBear 12-31-2008 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 261274)
Hopefully he'll have the beard when he's King. Very Richard the Lionhearted.

His great-grandfather did.

wolfy999 01-06-2009 09:00 PM

Fish is expensive....

http://news.aol.com/article/tuna-fet...mh=dm25.185224

Kevy Baby 01-08-2009 07:15 PM

Porn industry seeks own stimulus ... package
Adult industry titans say economy has made Americans ‘go limp’


Quote:

Seems everyone is lining up for a government handout, but in the case of the porn industry, you may wonder where the hands have been

TMZ is reporting that Hustler's Larry Flynt and "Girls Gone Wild" creator Joe Francis are asking for a $5 billion federal bailout of adult entertainment because "the economy has made America's appetite for sex go limp."
The whole story.

Boy, these guys sound pretty hard-up!

alphabassettgrrl 01-09-2009 11:13 AM

At least porn provides a valuable product. Tangible.

Disneyphile 01-09-2009 11:15 AM

That's a stimulus that I can get behind! ;)

lizziebith 01-09-2009 02:14 PM

Just...ew.

Morrigoon 01-09-2009 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 262361)
That's a stimulus that I can get behind! ;)

For you to get behind it would require a little extra "capital". The financial crowd are a "stiff" lot.

Morrigoon 01-09-2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizziebith (Post 262450)
Just...ew.

I'm now officially nauseous. Thank you.

(Ew indeed)

Ghoulish Delight 01-09-2009 02:25 PM

Am I weird for eating Jelly Bellies while reading that story?

Ghoulish Delight 01-09-2009 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 262458)
Am I weird for eating Jelly Bellies while reading that story?

Correction - Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Beans. Soap makes for an interesting surprise. Should have read the beans more carefully.

Kevy Baby 01-09-2009 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizziebith (Post 262450)
Just...ew.

Too bad he didn't have a little Chianti to go with it.

cirquelover 01-09-2009 02:50 PM

I haven't seen this one here but thought it was crazy! Woman burns husbands genitals for hugging another woman. My fav quote is.... Boord quoted Narayan allegedly saying: "I just wanted to burn his penis so it belongs to me and no one else. ... I didn't mean this to happen."

Oh My!



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28518932/

Kevy Baby 01-09-2009 02:56 PM

Cirque's post then led me to a similar story from right her in California:

Men sentenced for setting friend's crotch ablaze
The victim suffered second-degree burns on his testicles


Quote:

SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. - Two practical jokers are behind bars for setting their passed-out drinking buddy's crotch ablaze while boozing in Grover Beach. Matthew Craig Pillers and Jack Brent Nicholas Keiffer pleaded no contest to a felony great bodily injury charge.
The whole story

Not Afraid 01-09-2009 04:35 PM

Was it one of those "set your fart on fire" stunts?

Kevy Baby 01-09-2009 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 262481)
Was it one of those "set your fart on fire" stunts?

No. From the story:
Quote:

Elliot Tuleja was passed out when the men poured cologne on the man's groin and set him on fire on Jan. 18. Tuleja had second-degree burns on his testicles.

Capt Jack 01-09-2009 04:57 PM

I would insist they wave all charges, then kill them both in their sleep

Cadaverous Pallor 01-09-2009 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 262459)
Correction - Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Beans. Soap makes for an interesting surprise. Should have read the beans more carefully.

Is there an Eyeball flavor?

Friends don't set friends' crotches on fire.

second class citizen 01-10-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 262467)
Cirque's post then led me to a similar story from right her in California:

Men sentenced for setting friend's crotch ablaze
The victim suffered second-degree burns on his testicles


The whole story


Great Balls of Fire!

Capt Jack 01-10-2009 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 262496)
Friends don't set friends' crotches on fire.

well....not in THAT way at least :D

Cadaverous Pallor 01-11-2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Jack (Post 262570)
well....not in THAT way at least :D

Baby, you set my
CROTCH ON FI-YAH!

Baby you are my
ONE DE-SIYAH!

'Cause Baby, you set my
CROTCH ON FIIIIIII-YAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!

Moonliner 01-12-2009 03:20 PM


Alex 01-12-2009 03:25 PM

I'm not sure if "workplaces may still be sexist but it is nothing like 70 years ago" is quite a WTF story.

Moonliner 01-12-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 262834)
I'm not sure if "workplaces may still be sexist but it is nothing like 70 years ago" is quite a WTF story.

The 'WFT' aspect was pretty much dropped pages ago, now it's more of a offbeat news thingy.

Alex 01-12-2009 03:46 PM

I know. That was kind of my backing into way of saying the letter doesn't really surprise me. Though I did think there were some women in other art departments before then but was probably wrong.

Moonliner 01-12-2009 04:02 PM

So I opend Google Earth, went to 2719 Hyperion Hollywood, CA. in street view. Is that a grocery store?

CoasterMatt 01-12-2009 04:08 PM

Yup

Moonliner 01-14-2009 03:37 PM

How could I not post this here?

I produly present, direct from the Detroit Auto Show, and I'm guessing some fairly serious recreational drugs......



Yes. That's it's real name....

Capt Jack 01-14-2009 03:54 PM

appropriately named. it was indeed my first reaction.

whereas I'm thinking this should have been called the ROFL

JWBear 01-14-2009 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Jack (Post 263410)
appropriately named. it was indeed my first reaction.

whereas I'm thinking this should have been called the ROFL

Looks like a Scion that has been left out in the sun too long...

alphabassettgrrl 01-14-2009 05:21 PM

The Cadillac made me giggle. The cube? Really? Has no one heard of aerodynamics???

bewitched 01-14-2009 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 263414)
Looks like a Scion that has been left out in the sun too long...

I think it looks like a milk truck from the 60s:


Capt Jack 01-14-2009 07:37 PM

the difference being Id actually drive the milk truck

CoasterMatt 01-14-2009 08:05 PM

The Cube looks like the minivan version of the Pacer.

Gemini Cricket 01-14-2009 08:30 PM

It's Borg-riffic!

Not Afraid 01-14-2009 08:37 PM

The Cube is just a large PlaySchool vehicle. The WTF is, ummmmm, WTF?

Cadaverous Pallor 01-14-2009 08:38 PM

The Cube is dumpy. I do like the wraparound window idea.

Betty 01-15-2009 07:23 AM

The cube is meh.

But the WTF? Why do they make concept cars? Why not spend the money on making actual cool cars people will want to buy? (and can actually buy)

Kevy Baby 01-15-2009 08:38 AM

While Nirvanaman can answer the question much better than I, the answer I would give is that concept cars are the beginning of new cars for the future. Sort of like a big brainstorming session. Actual production models/features/designs evolve out of the concept cars.

Betty 01-15-2009 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 263561)
While Nirvanaman can answer the question much better than I, the answer I would give is that concept cars are the beginning of new cars for the future. Sort of like a big brainstorming session. Actual production models/features/designs evolve out of the concept cars.

I don't believe you. They take cool cars and take one little element and put it on a lame car no one wants anyway.

Betty 01-15-2009 08:57 AM

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090115-16793.html

When you're too drunk to bartend, just let the cops know and they'll finish up for you.

Alex 01-15-2009 09:03 AM

It's the same idea as you see in fashion with those clothes that no one really actually wears. It isn't about the specific reality, but about the ideas. Trickle down creativity.

Ghoulish Delight 01-15-2009 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 263568)
I don't believe you. They take cool cars and take one little element and put it on a lame car no one wants anyway.

They take cool looking cars and take the ideas from them and turn then into practical cars. You know, ones that you can actually fit in, don't cost $200,000, have trunk space, and won't instantly crush you in an accident.

Betty 01-16-2009 09:25 AM

Okay - this isn't a story - but a funny I email I just rec'd from sprint. Note the part where I'm supposed to click on a link (nothing was linked by the way):

Quote:

Ana Alavrez,

We recently sent you a short survey to complete. Thank you if you have already completed the survey. Your feedback will assist in improving our training program. If you have not had a chance to complete the survey, this note serves as a reminder and we are asking for your feedback. So please, take a moment to share you thoughts with us.

If you need access to the survey simply click the link below.

Survey Link: Click here bla...bla...bla

Sincerely,

Sprint
:rolleyes:

RStar 01-26-2009 05:00 PM

It's been too long since we had one, so here ya go:

Boy poses as police officer and goes on patrol

It's bad enough that he fooled the whole station and his partner in the patrol car, but how did he even get on the roster????

Gemini Cricket 01-26-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

An 11-year-old Mexican boy has killed six young bulls in a single fight, apparently becoming the world's youngest matador to achieve the feat.
Source
Uh, yeah. Congratulations you little murderous punk bastard.
:(:p

Disneyphile 01-26-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 265705)
Source
Uh, yeah. Congratulations you little murderous punk bastard.
:(:p

Ew. :(

alphabassettgrrl 01-26-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RStar (Post 265661)
It's bad enough that he fooled the whole station and his partner in the patrol car, but how did he even get on the roster????

From what I heard, they added him. They figured it was a bureaucratic mix-up, that they should have been told about him. He said he was a transfer from another precinct, and apparently nobody called to check on it.

One of the reporters talking about it said it was amazing he fooled all the officers. Talking to officers, they generally know who is one of them, and who is not. Except here.

Kevy Baby 01-26-2009 10:43 PM

Newly discovered catfish species climbs rocks
Fish's pelvic fin decouples from body and moves backward and forward

Quote:

A previously unknown species of climbing catfish has been discovered in remote Venezuela, and its strange traits are shaking the evolutionary tree for these fish.

The newfound catfish, Lithogenes wahari, shares traits with two different families of fish — Loricariidae (armored catfishes) and Astroblepidae (climbing catfishes). It has bony armor that protects its head and tail, and a grasping pelvic fin that helps it to climb vertical surfaces such as rocks.
The whole story

Kevy Baby 01-26-2009 10:47 PM

Octuplets stun doctors at California hospital

Quote:

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California woman shocked doctors by giving birth on Monday to octuplets, believed to be only the second set of eight babies born in the United States.
The whole story

The poor woman: she went in expecting to only have seven, but ended up with eight.

Not Afraid 01-26-2009 10:55 PM

What a large litter!

Not Afraid 01-26-2009 11:03 PM

This is my idea of a nightmare.

Capt Jack 01-26-2009 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 265745)
Octuplets stun doctors at California hospital

musta looked like closing time at chuck-e-cheese

bewitched 01-26-2009 11:24 PM

Boy, 3, filmed smoking, mother convicted

What the hell is this lady thinking?

Quote:

Prosecutor Jonathan Rees told the court: "The video demonstrates the boy placing a cigarette into his mouth, lighting it with a lighter and sucking, drawing smoke clearly into the lungs and he seems to do it with some accomplishment.

"It doesn't cause him any discomfort. He is sat on a chair close to the mother, who is talking on the phone.

"It is clear that the boy, at the age of three, knows what to do with a lighter and cigarette," Rees said.
Quote:

Pocock is reported to have pleaded guilty on the basis that she hadn't seen her son smoking on that occasion, or ever before, PA reported.

RStar 01-27-2009 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 265746)
What a large litter!

I suppose a good education might very well be out of the question. They'll need to take out a loan just to cover the diapers.

Oh, and any sarogates available for brest feeding?

Drince88 01-27-2009 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RStar (Post 265755)
Oh, and any sarogates available for brest feeding?

The term is 'wet nurse' :D and I heard that she WAS planning on breast feeding.

And from around here...
There was a murder of a 'popular bartender' in the Quarter on the 17th. Here's an article about two of the being remanded to adult court. (The third, a 14 year old, is jailed but there's a big difference in LA law between 14 and 15)
But the part that gets me:
Quote:

Both teenagers were turned in by their mothers, who recognized them from police sketches, and both confessed to detectives their roles in the Saturday night shooting, New Orleans Police Department Superintendent Warren Riley said Tuesday.
Ok, good for the Mom's for turning them in, but now there's talk about them maybe getting the Crime Stoppers Reward (standing reward for turning in murders). Yea, you "raise" a kid who goes around in a group of 2 15 year olds and a 14 year old, with gun(s), planning to rob people in the Quarter, and you might be eligible for a reward? I think not.

(Fortunately, I did NOT hear that the Mother's were ASKING for the reward, but some people think they should be offered it)

Ghoulish Delight 01-28-2009 05:41 PM

Bart Simpson promotes Scientology

WTF was Cartwright thinking?!

Moonliner 01-28-2009 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 266016)
Bart Simpson promotes Scientology

WTF was Cartwright thinking?!

Keeping with the character of Bart, I gotta think it was a setup. Now Fox can go after scientology both legally and on the show...

mousepod 01-28-2009 06:54 PM

Cartwright donated $10 million to the Church of Scientology. Don't think it's a setup.

SzczerbiakManiac 01-29-2009 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 266016)
Bart Simpson promotes Scientology

WTF was Cartwright thinking?!

Wow, that was astonishingly stupid of her.

As was doing a Scientology ad as Bart.

Capt Jack 01-29-2009 05:00 PM

Florida couple clones beloved dog for $155,000


I think this qualifies for this thread.

even as much as I love dogs and animals in general, this disgusts me to the core. sure, hes cute and cuddly and all. so are the thousands being put to sleep because they cant find homes for them.

Not Afraid 01-29-2009 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 265745)
Octuplets stun doctors at California hospital


The whole story

The poor woman: she went in expecting to only have seven, but ended up with eight.


OK, so it was revealed today that the mother of the octuplets already had 6 children - two of those are twins. She's 33 year old.

Who the HELL decided she needed fertility treatment? (I could really go on a rant right now, but I'll refrain.)

LA Times Story.

Deebs 01-30-2009 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 266254)
Who the HELL decided she needed fertility treatment? (I could really go on a rant right now, but I'll refrain.)

Unbelievable. I'd rant, but I am at a loss for words.

Disneyphile 01-30-2009 02:28 AM

And, some organizations or private donors will "honor" her by supplying them with a big house and all the needs for the children, and some college will probably even grant them all scholarships. :rolleyes:

I know this is kinda fascist, but I don't think artificial fertility methods/drugs should be available until all unwanted children have been adopted. If nature wants you to have kids, then you would, but if you can't for some reason, then why not just adopt?

Betty 01-30-2009 07:21 AM

And she's living at home with her Mom - correct?

Is there any mention of a Dad?

Or is she now the single mom of 14?

Kevy Baby 01-30-2009 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 266268)
And she's living at home with her Mom - correct?

I am holding back on this detail as the LA Times story says "Neighbors said she and her six children ... live there with her mother." That could be that Mom lives with her and 'father of the children.'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 266268)
Is there any mention of a Dad?

Or is she now the single mom of 14?

Again from the story "... noting that her daughter's father is going back to Iraq, where neighbors said he worked as a contractor, to help support the expanded family."

But yeah, this story makes my blood boil.



ETA: in reading the story more closely, the person who said "... noting that her daughter's father is going back to Iraq..." is the new Mom's Mother: the new babies' Grandmother.

So who knows what the fvck is going on.

Alex 01-30-2009 10:14 AM

If she can care for the kids to a sufficient minimum level then I don't care one way or the other.

Is it less than ideal? Surely. But kids are raised in all kinds of less than ideal ways all the time (and many that would be well defended).

I'm curious why standard implantation methods for a woman her age weren't used, but it is just curiosity.

SzczerbiakManiac 01-30-2009 10:44 AM

I know the Google van hitting a deer story has already been posted. I'm submitting this link because I want to know Who The Fück thought that was a good background image!?! :eek:

Betty 01-30-2009 10:48 AM

Who gives fertility treatment to a 33 year old with 6 kids???

Will we be paying any public assistance to this person of their family?

cirquelover 01-30-2009 11:04 AM

I saw this one today, man wants implants back from ex; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28926834/

Ummm wow

Alex 01-30-2009 11:15 AM

I wonder if the ruptured implant really was "repaired" or if it was replaced. I'm only willing to rely on duct tape for so much.

Betty 01-30-2009 11:45 AM

Bewbies.

Tom Leykis was ranting about that guy yesterday... saying it was very wrong of him to do - but people should be careful how far they push others - everyone has a snapping point eventually. And then they come stab you and try to steal your tits.

Drince88 01-30-2009 11:46 AM

With the Mom of octuplets - they said that she received counseling about the risks of carrying 7 babies to term, and she refused selective abortion. I respect her right to make THAT decision, but WHAT fertility clinic implanted that many embryos in the FIRST place without going through extensive counseling. I was under the impression that they would implant fewer embryos if you weren't willing to go through selective abortion.

The fact that there's been NO mention of a fertility clinic makes me think they KNOW they messed up. I mean, what clinic doesn't make sure a mother gets prenatal care in her first trimester? (Or maybe they did, but it didn't come from the place that delivered the babies)

And where the heck is Daddy?!

Ghoulish Delight 01-30-2009 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drince88 (Post 266322)
With the Mom of octuplets - they said that she received counseling about the risks of carrying 7 babies to term, and she refused selective abortion. I respect her right to make THAT decision, but WHAT fertility clinic implanted that many embryos in the FIRST place without going through extensive counseling. I was under the impression that they would implant fewer embryos if you weren't willing to go through selective abortion.

It's unlikely that they were implanted.

The deal with these super-multi-pregnancies is that it's generally people who do step 1 of fertility (hormone injections to promote follicle growth), but, for whatever reason, fail to stick to the rest of the procedure. It's impossible to predict exactly how much follicle growth will result from an injection, so you're supposed to get blood work done to monitor it. If too many follicles are detected, a responsible doctor will either tell them to hold off on trying to conceive until the next cycle when they can reduce the hormone dose, or they'll harvest eggs for invetro. But if they just got the hormone injection and went ahead and conceived without checking, or ignoring the advice to wait until next cycle....... (I read a good article yesterday).

Drince88 01-30-2009 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 266326)
It's unlikely that they were implanted.

THAT makes sense. (Well, as much sense as a mother of 6 getting step one of the process can be)

Not Afraid 01-30-2009 12:03 PM

I don't understand WHY a 33 year old with 6 children already would NEED fertility treatments in the first place? Her most recent birth was twins that are only 2 years old. She obviously doesn't have a problem conceiving.

I wonder about her real motives. Publicity? Guiness Book? Charity? Or, maybe it's just stupidity.

Betty 01-30-2009 12:09 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4764432.shtml

Apparently she's abandoned her home and applied for bankruptcy.

I read in another article she was implanted with 8 and they all "took".

Disneyphile 01-30-2009 12:19 PM

Greeeeeeat.

So, looks like our tax dollars will be helping her out after all. :rolleyes:

Capt Jack 01-30-2009 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 266333)
I wonder about her real motives. Publicity? Guiness Book? Charity? Or, maybe it's just stupidity.

kinda thinking the first 3 are the same as the last one


personally, that borders on a mental illness

Not Afraid 01-30-2009 12:43 PM

According to GMA, she is a single mother and the embryos were implanted. The ethics of this entire situation is grossly fascinating.

Snowflake 01-30-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 266350)
According to GMA, she is a single mother and the embryos were implanted. The ethics of this entire situation is grossly fascinating.

Where are the ethics?

cirquelover 01-30-2009 01:25 PM

I really hope with all the negative publicity this has attracted that companies are not just giving them handouts like they usually do with free diapers, a house,a van or college tuition! She obviously knew what she was doing and should not be rewarded!!

Moonliner 01-30-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirquelover (Post 266353)
I really hope with all the negative publicity this has attracted that companies are not just giving them handouts like they usually do with free diapers, a house,a van or college tuition! She obviously knew what she was doing and should not be rewarded!!

Although I would hate to see the babies suffer for her wrongs.

Disneyphile 01-30-2009 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 266354)
Although I would hate to see the babies suffer for her wrongs.

Then, I have no problem if they receive as much as orphaned or needy children... but nothing more than that.

Alex 01-30-2009 02:21 PM

But if she were judged a better person they would be deserving of more than orphaned and needy children?

Disneyphile 01-30-2009 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 266356)
But if she were judged a better person they would be deserving of more than orphaned and needy children?

In my opinion, still no. (Coincides with my earlier post about fertility treatments vs. adoption.)

Strangler Lewis 01-30-2009 02:27 PM

I think that before we can make a fully informed decision about the morality of the situation, we need to know her skin color.

Alex 01-30-2009 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 266357)
In my opinion, still no. (Coincides with my earlier post about fertility treatments vs. adoption.)

Ok, that's fine. Was thrown off by the "then" in your post which implied that otherwise your view would be different.

I've never understood society's desire to help only those people they see on the news. (Whether women who whelp litters while the foster mom taking in 8 kids gets no extra help or a specific dog that survives a fire while dozens more go unwanted at the same shelter or providing food to the homeless on one single day a year.)

cirquelover 01-30-2009 02:38 PM

I don't care if she's purple! If you can't afford the children you bring into this world then I guess you shouldn't have had them. It's not like this was a surprise to her. She obviously delibrately intended on having this many children.

I feel for the grandfather who is going back to work just to support her children.

Strangler Lewis 01-30-2009 02:38 PM

The woman is only a little whelper if she's black. If she's white, she's Bristol Palin x 8: a brave single mom with a healthy respect for life.

Gemini Cricket 02-01-2009 03:23 PM

A pic of Michael Phelps taking a bong toke
With this new-to-me bit of news, I'd say SacTown may just be the LoT's best swimmer.
Apparently, he acknowledges that it's a real pic, too.

bewitched 02-01-2009 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 266548)
A pic of Michael Phelps taking a bong toke
With this new-to-me bit of news, I'd say SacTown may just be the LoT's best swimmer.
Apparently, he acknowledges that it's a real pic, too.

I really like his watch.

CoasterMatt 02-01-2009 08:18 PM

6 Popular Fashion Trends That Killed People - NSFW

Gemini Cricket 02-01-2009 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 266553)
I really like his watch.

Blingage.

Man, I hate that SI pic of him with his medals. He looks like a lady gypsy.

Ghoulish Delight 02-02-2009 09:42 AM

Doesn't that make Phelps' gold medals an even MORE impressive achievment?

Betty 02-02-2009 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 266610)
Doesn't that make Phelps' gold medals an even MORE impressive achievment?

See - you can still partake and be successful.

Not Afraid 02-02-2009 11:00 AM

He looks just like anyone else take a hit from a bong.

Capt Jack 02-02-2009 11:18 AM

nice bong. better than those old beer bottle ones ...erm...I used to see :rolleyes:

SzczerbiakManiac 02-02-2009 02:28 PM

Okay, I'm gonna say it. Did any of my mo bros see the picture of Michael Phelps putting his lips on that cylindrical object and immediately imagine him putting his lips on "something else"? Cause I sure did.

Moonliner 02-02-2009 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 266734)
Okay, I'm gonna say it. Did any of my mo bros see the picture of Michael Phelps putting his lips on that cylindrical object and immediately imagine him putting his lips on "something else"? Cause I sure did.

Umm, No.

Strangler Lewis 02-02-2009 02:34 PM

No, not really.

Wait, better take a look at the photo.

Nope. Still no. Especially since he has his mouth inside the opening.

Not Afraid 02-02-2009 02:36 PM

No. The only thought I had was trying to figure out just how many hundreds of years ago it was that I last took a bong hit.

Capt Jack 02-02-2009 02:38 PM

uh...he said mo-bro


none the less...no, but I have had heter-bro mental images for other inane, banal pictures...so except for that specific one, yeah...been there.

MouseWife 02-02-2009 02:38 PM

What I thought was 'he is really taking that hit in really deeply'....looks like his chest is completely full of...air.....I guess 'cause the tube part is so long? Makes for a long hit.

I mean, just cause it looks like it would be.........

Ghoulish Delight 02-02-2009 02:38 PM

And none of the people who responded fall into the category of ZSZsZCSXXXserbiac's "mo bros". Unless Moonie's got something to tell us...

Alex 02-02-2009 02:42 PM

Not in the category but no to me either. But then I've never had that image from a woman with a bong either. The general mechanics of the mouth just aren't the same (unless mo-bros do it differently).

Moonliner 02-02-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 266748)
And none of the people who responded fall into the category of ZSZsZCSXXXserbiac's "mo bros". Unless Moonie's got something to tell us...

Moonie's not entirely sure what a "mo-bro" is but none the less, I don't think any announcements along that line will be forthcoming.

Alex 02-02-2009 02:48 PM

It means your parents recently had another son.

Moonliner 02-02-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 266758)
It means your parents recently had another son.

I don't think that is the correct definition in this case.

I tired looking it up in the Urban Dictionary, but that did not seem to help much either.

Alex 02-02-2009 03:04 PM

"Did any of my fellow homosexual males see the picture of Michael Phelps using a bong and think of him engaging in oral sex?"

(I can't tell if you're serious or not so I'm reduced to answering seriously.)

Moonliner 02-02-2009 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 266772)
"Did any of my fellow homosexual males see the picture of Michael Phelps using a bong and think of him engaging in oral sex?"

(I can't tell if you're serious or not so I'm reduced to answering seriously.)

Well if that's really what he meant, why would he post it here on LoT?

cirquelover 02-02-2009 03:14 PM

I have to mark this day down. Alex answered a question seriously, that wasn't about politics!


Of course, obviously Moonie needed some help on that one but kudos for Alex.

SzczerbiakManiac 02-02-2009 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 266774)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 266772)
"Did any of my fellow homosexual males see the picture of Michael Phelps using a bong and think of him engaging in oral sex?"

Well if that's really what he meant, why would he post it here on LoT?

Alex correctly decrypted my que(e)ry.

As for Moonliner's follow-up question, it was my understanding there was at least one other Friend of Dorothy skulking around in the Lounge. Though based on the responses to my earlier question, I may have been in error in supposing so.

Moonliner 02-02-2009 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 266783)

As for Moonliner's follow-up question, it was my understanding there was at least one other Friend of Dorothy skulking around in the Lounge. Though based on the responses to my earlier question, I may have been in error in supposing so.

Ohh I love the Wizard of Oz! Dorthy is so hot!

JWBear 02-02-2009 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 266748)
And none of the people who responded fall into the category of ZSZsZCSXXXserbiac's "mo bros". Unless Moonie's got something to tell us...

Well... I fall into that catagory, and no. It never crossed my mind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 266772)
...my fellow homosexual males...

Duely quoted (out of context, of course) for posterity! :evil:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 266783)
Alex correctly decrypted my que(e)ry.

As for Moonliner's follow-up question, it was my understanding there was at least one other Friend of Dorothy skulking around in the Lounge. Though based on the responses to my earlier question, I may have been in error in supposing so.

There are a lot more than one "friend of Dorothy" on LoT! Hello?!

Betty 02-02-2009 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 266797)


There are a lot more than one "friend of Dorothy" on LoT! Hello?!

I had never heard that before... it rather tickled me. tee hee.

As I read down the page I came across this:

Quote:

Someone who bites the pillow; is known or suspected to have the ability of guessing the flavor of a popsicle by sitting on it.
Ryan Seacrest is a friend of Dorothy

CoasterMatt 02-02-2009 11:13 PM

Trouser Pigeons

Kevy Baby 02-03-2009 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoasterMatt (Post 266843)

Dem some ugly legs!

bewitched 02-03-2009 09:07 AM

I didn't realize that pigeons were so desired that there was a pigeon smuggling ring. Eggplants either, for that matter.

Methinks maybe he just likes stuffing things in his pants.




(And Kevy's right on the legs...they look like chimpanzee legs)

Moonliner 02-03-2009 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 266734)
mo bros

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 266783)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 266803)
bites the pillow

I just assumed this was one more in the list....

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoasterMatt (Post 266843)

Guess I was wrong once again....

Ghoulish Delight 02-03-2009 09:34 AM

I see "Person caught trying to smuggle [pick your animal] in their pants" stories so often that it leads me to believe that there must be a healthy amount of people who DON'T get caught.

Alex 02-03-2009 09:44 AM

Yes there are. Exotic animal smuggling is a fairly good black market business and the mortality rate is high. My parents were involved in bird breeding for a while and it was surprisingly easy to find illegal animals available.

Ghoulish Delight 02-03-2009 09:53 AM

Oh, I know exotic animal smuggling is big trade. It just surprises me that "down that pants" is a common, effective practice.

Not Afraid 02-03-2009 10:06 AM

Little Miss Over-breeder is now shopping around her story and weighing offers.
Quote:

Killeen said the offers include TV interviews, book deals, documentaries, magazine articles and a reality show. Any money made will go toward supporting Suleman's 14 children.

Kevy Baby 02-03-2009 11:15 AM

I will support any fundraising towards sterilizing this woman.

Moonliner 02-03-2009 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 266887)

I liked the quote from her spokeswoman on GMA today...

Q? Are you selling her story?

A: No! We are still looking at the multiple offers.

Betty 02-03-2009 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 266900)
I liked the quote from her spokeswoman on GMA today...

Q? Are you selling her story?

A: No! We are still looking at the multiple offers.

So - yes - but we're just not sure to which group.

I don't care if she sells her story or not. At this point - does it matter? I'd rather have some tv station pay for her expenses instead of taxpayers.

SzczerbiakManiac 02-03-2009 03:28 PM

Cloaca No.5: A machine that poops
work safe

mousepod 02-03-2009 04:14 PM

Heather bought me the Cloaca t-shirt, hardcover book and coffee mug from the last installation. Good stuff.

Deebs 02-03-2009 04:59 PM

867-5309
$400,000+? Really?

alphabassettgrrl 02-03-2009 05:01 PM

Nasty legs on that guy. Ewww.

"Please respect the privacy of octuplet mom". Unless there's money involved. Whatever.

Kevy Baby 02-03-2009 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deebs (Post 266970)
867-5309
$400,000+? Really?

Well, he is a little inaccurate in the description:

Quote:

This is one of theLAST remaining 867-5309 numbers in service.
He should check out this page and this page. (The original on this was here.)

Deebs 02-03-2009 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 266977)
He should check out this page and this page. (The original on this was here.)

And they've been spelling CP's name wrong all this time! Poor Caddie.

Capt Jack 02-04-2009 09:00 AM

I like his note:

Quote:

If you bid, you better intend to pay. I have the best lawyers in the country on my team that will enforce all bids
sort of akin to getting blood out of a turnip isnt it?

cirquelover 02-04-2009 10:29 AM

I guess I don't understand why you'd want that number. It's not like they expect a DJ service when they call, they want Jenny. How is it good to get a bunch of annoying calls?

Capt Jack 02-04-2009 10:32 AM

couldnt agree more. half the time I dont even want the number I have...why would anyone want one that brings in a constant stream of feckless twits?

Kevy Baby 02-04-2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirquelover (Post 267084)
I guess I don't understand why you'd want that number. It's not like they expect a DJ service when they call, they want Jenny. How is it good to get a bunch of annoying calls?

Its actually not a bad marketing idea. While I would also have a "main" number (as inevitably, one will be getting a lot of "Jenny" calls), it is a great hook to get people to remember your company in what is a highly competitive and saturated market.

The mobile DJ company that I worked for here in Orange County is called "Fly By Night." It is a funny name that people remember. They have been in business for over 30 years and are well known (and they also provide great service to their clients!).

Betty 02-04-2009 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 267086)
Its actually not a bad marketing idea. While I would also have a "main" number (as inevitably, one will be getting a lot of "Jenny" calls), it is a great hook to get people to remember your company in what is a highly competitive and saturated market.

The mobile DJ company that I worked for here in Orange County is called "Fly By Night." It is a funny name that people remember. They have been in business for over 30 years and are well known (and they also provide great service to their clients!).

Were you a part of their company in 1994? I think you guys were my DJ at my wedding.

Kevy Baby 02-04-2009 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 267122)
Were you a part of their company in 1994? I think you guys were my DJ at my wedding.

Yes. I have finally 'retired' (after about three years of trying to do so) about 2 years ago. I was with them for about 20 years.

It would be very weird if I were the DJ at your wedding. Do you remember who your DJ was? Oddly, I remember most of the weddings by the location: where was your reception?

Betty 02-04-2009 04:57 PM

Ya think! It was in Mission Viejo in my parents back yard...

Ghoulish Delight 02-04-2009 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 267141)
It would be very weird if I were the DJ at your wedding. Do you remember who your DJ was?

More to the point, was he wearing a dress and frilly panties?

Betty 02-04-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 267146)
More to the point, was he wearing a dress and frilly panties?

If only I'd known that was an option! ;)

Maybe I ought to dig out my wedding album and see... what a strange coincidence that would be!

Kevy Baby 02-04-2009 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 267145)
Ya think! It was in Mission Viejo in my parents back yard...

While I do not claim to remember every wedding I have ever performed, I do not have a recollection of playing any backyard receptions in Mission Viejo.

I just find it so odd that I remember receptions by the location: I have no idea why this is.

BTW: if you have a picture of the DJ and send it to me, I may be able to tell you who it was. I trained many of the DJs around that time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 267146)
More to the point, was he wearing a dress and frilly panties?

They wouldn't let me where a dress to the receptions, but I always had the panties on underneath my tux.

lashbear 02-04-2009 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 267156)
They wouldn't let me where a dress to the receptions, but I always had the panties on underneath my tux.

Why am I believing you? :p

Morrigoon 02-07-2009 02:21 AM

Yes, you CAN has cheezburger.

Kevy Baby 02-10-2009 12:16 PM

Oops

China TV sorry for fireworks that caused blaze
Unlicensed display sparked fire that destroyed luxury hotel in Beijing

Quote:

BEIJING - China's state-run television broadcaster apologized Tuesday for an unlicensed fireworks display that sparked a blaze that destroyed a luxury hotel in the network's headquarters complex in downtown Beijing.
The hot story.


Ghoulish Delight 02-10-2009 12:32 PM

Naked hikers in Switzerland to be fined

Here's my favorite part of the article, right at the end.

Quote:

It was not clear where the naked hikers would find the money, although hikers often carry rucksacks.
How cheeky.

Capt Jack 02-10-2009 12:43 PM

ok, Im offended...well, ok...in a sorta way..but IMO naked is not immoral

at times, it might not be a persons best look, but I object to it being called immoral.

Not Afraid 02-10-2009 01:37 PM

Naked is especially not immoral in Switzerland (ask our nudist relatives).

€uroMeinke 02-10-2009 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 268031)
Naked is especially not immoral in Switzerland (ask our nudist relatives).

Um yeah, I was just thinking of my mountaineering cousin who lives in Appenzell and wonder if she or my aunt and uncle are among the offenders...

Betty 02-11-2009 05:01 PM

I give you The Most Disturbing animals on earth.

I haven't even read the entire article. Just got to the vampire squid (from hell) and knew I had to post it. Check out the video of that thing. :eek:

Ghoulish Delight 02-11-2009 05:30 PM

Your President and mine is one bad mutha shut yo' mouth!

Kevy Baby 02-11-2009 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 268213)
Your President and mine is one bad mutha shut yo' mouth!

All I got was

Quote:

Easy, tiger. This is a 404 page.

You are totally in the wrong place. Do not pass GO; do not collect $200.
Instead, try one of the following:
  • Hit the "back" button on your browser.
  • Head on over to the front page.
  • Try searching using the form in the sidebar.
  • Click on a link in the sidebar.
  • Use the navigation menu at the top of the page.
  • Punt.



Cadaverous Pallor 02-11-2009 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 268224)
All I got was

I got that too, so I followed the instructions.

Link

Kevy Baby 02-11-2009 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 268229)
I got that too, so I followed the instructions.

I don't follow instructions. I am too macho for that.

lashbear 02-11-2009 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 268213)
Your President and mine is one bad mutha shut yo' mouth!

I like your new president !! :D

Stan4dSteph 02-12-2009 07:41 AM

I'm so glad the FBI is totally on top of this extremely important issue.

Betty 02-12-2009 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph (Post 268285)

Comcast offered customers a whole $10 each if they were impacted by the incident. What do you think of that offer?

If you had kids watching - does it scar them in a way worth more then $10? Or $5 each if you have 2 kids etc.

Moonliner 02-12-2009 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 268286)
Comcast offered customers a whole $10 each if they were impacted by the incident. What do you think of that offer?

If you had kids watching - does it scar them in a way worth more then $10? Or $5 each if you have 2 kids etc.

I think it sets up false expectations in our youth that you get paid to watch porn.

Alex 02-12-2009 08:15 AM

I think they should have said:

Quote:

We at Comcast are deeply sorry for what happened and though we'll do everything we can to prevent a repeat in the future it does appear that this event was the result of an intentional circumvention of our processes.

Under normal operating conditions what was shown during the Super Bowl would have included an extra charge of $8.95 and as a sign of our regret over this unfortunate incident Comcast Arizona has magnanimously decided not to charge viewers.

As for parents calling us to tell weepy stories of how their children have been scarred or otherwise irrevocably damaged, please shut up. If your children are so emotionally weak that 30 seconds of a penis does them damage, it is best that you found out now so that you can provide proper padding on any nearby hard surfaces and sharp corners.

Again, we apologize for this event and assure you that this weekends Fright Night Marathon of slasher films on Spike TV and the College Corruption Marathon of stoner comedies on Comedy Central will proceed without any untoward interruption. Fun for the whole family.

Betty 02-12-2009 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 268288)
I think it sets up false expectations in our youth that you get paid to watch porn.

Oh you clever man.

Betty 02-12-2009 10:26 AM

Quote:

A 42-year-old HIV patient with leukemia appears to have no detectable HIV in his blood and no symptoms after a stem cell transplant from a donor carrying a gene mutation that confers natural resistance to the virus that causes AIDS, according to a report published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11...ss_mostpopular

(sham)Wow!

Strangler Lewis 02-12-2009 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph (Post 268285)

From what I've read the concern is that the interruption was a test run for a terrorist attack during next year's Super Bowl. Had the clip gone on longer, every drunk man in America and our fighting men overseas would have been hypnotized into dropping trou and shaking our dicks from side to side.

This would have left us vulnerable.

Alex 02-12-2009 11:41 AM

Two satellites collide.

Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy calculates they must have hit at a closing speed of about 1.5 kps or 3,355 miles per hour.

Moonliner 02-12-2009 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 268329)
Two satellites collide.

Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy calculates they must have hit at a closing speed of about 1.5 kps or 3,355 miles per hour.

According to the update on the linked article, the speed was more like 8 kps.

Alex 02-12-2009 11:52 AM

Yep, the update wasn't showing in my RSS aggregator.

17,895 miles per hour. Definitely need to wear a helmet at those speeds.

Capt Jack 02-12-2009 12:00 PM

yeah...they "collided"....suuuuuure

truth....its a prelude to an alien invasion. theyre practicing taking out all our communications systems. first they started with broadcasting porn, then crash satellites and crashing twitter. they should be landing the invasion force any day now!
run for your lives!!!!


btw, is my foil hat on straight?

Moonliner 02-12-2009 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Jack (Post 268338)
yeah...they "collided"....suuuuuure

truth....its a prelude to an alien invasion. theyre practicing taking out all our communications systems. first they started with broadcasting porn, then crash satellites and crashing twitter. they should be landing the invasion force any day now!
run for your lives!!!!


btw, is my foil hat on straight?

If they broadcast free porn, I welcome our new overlords.

Betty 02-12-2009 12:13 PM

The porn was was to get all you men ready for your anal probe.

Capt Jack 02-12-2009 12:19 PM

eww..............ok, now adjusting my foil 'hat' to foil 'boxers'

Moonliner 02-12-2009 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 268341)
The porn was was to get all you men ready for your anal probe.

I hereby formally withdraw my earlier comment.

Cadaverous Pallor 02-12-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 268314)

Can you even f'n believe that people have a problem with stemcell research?? Holy crap. :eek:

Not Afraid 02-12-2009 12:26 PM

Octomom is is hiding. She fears for her life. Drama much?

Alex 02-12-2009 12:29 PM

I'm interested in why people are so caught up on caring about her.

As for porn and anal probes I must be doing it wrong. Never has porn done anything to prepare me in that direction (though I am extremely straight).

Alex 02-12-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 268354)
Can you even f'n believe that people have a problem with stemcell research?? Holy crap. :eek:

Yes, I can believe it (in that they don't have a problem with stem cell research but rather the manner in which the cells are obtained). And the argument isn't a bad one. Just one I disagree with.

Betty 02-12-2009 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 268358)
I'm interested in why people are so caught up on caring about her.

As for porn and anal probes I must be doing it wrong. Never has porn done anything to prepare me in that direction (though I am extremely straight).

Well they are aliens - can you really expect them to cater to your specific fantasies?

Ghoulish Delight 02-12-2009 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 268356)
Octomom is is hiding. She fears for her life. Drama much?

Hey, if you had 8 parasites trying to suck nutrients from you 24 hours day, you'd hide too.

SzczerbiakManiac 02-12-2009 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 268341)
The porn was was to get all you men ready for your anal probe.

Is there a line? Mind if I cut in front?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 268358)
As for porn and anal probes I must be doing it wrong. Never has porn done anything to prepare me in that direction (though I am extremely straight).

Alex, you have a standing invitation to come over to my place and we will watch some porn that absolutely will prepare you for that direction.

Moonliner 02-12-2009 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 268382)
Is there a line? Mind if I cut in front?
Alex, you have a standing invitation to come over to my place and we will watch some porn that absolutely will prepare you for that direction.

That is an exit not an entrance.

SzczerbiakManiac 02-12-2009 01:34 PM

If God wanted men to be fücked, He would have put holes in their asses.

Mousey Girl 02-12-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 268356)
Octomom is is hiding. She fears for her life. Drama much?

The lead story on yahoo this morning was that her 14 kids would be costing the tax payers $1.5 million.

Moonliner 02-12-2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 268387)
If God wanted men to be fücked, He would have put holes in their asses.

I've heard God called upon to support any number of human activities but I do believe that is a new one. :D

Alex 02-12-2009 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 268382)
Is there a line? Mind if I cut in front?
Alex, you have a standing invitation to come over to my place and we will watch some porn that absolutely will prepare you for that direction.

I can honestly say it won't. I'm not opposed to such things but haven't enjoyed them.

So if you mean "prepare" me in the sense of making me aware of what could possibly happen. Then yes I guess I see that.

I guess I was taking it more as "prepare" in the sense of putting me in a condition to make me more accepting of what could happen, and as such: no.

SzczerbiakManiac 02-12-2009 04:02 PM

Well just come over and we'll see what happens.

Capt Jack 02-12-2009 04:27 PM




:eek:

SzczerbiakManiac 02-12-2009 04:53 PM

I have video proof as well as personal experience that your assertions, Capt Jack and Moonliner, that your statements are simply not true.

Capt Jack 02-12-2009 05:05 PM

no assertions here.....thats just my new tatoo

;)

Betty 02-12-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Jack (Post 268458)
no assertions here.....thats just my new tatoo

;)

Where's it at? :D

CoasterMatt 02-12-2009 09:00 PM

Why can't they just give Octomom all that salmonella tainted peanut butter?

bewitched 02-13-2009 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 268356)
Octomom is is hiding. She fears for her life. Drama much?


And now you can donate. Thank God they take all major credit cards. :rolleyes:

lashbear 02-13-2009 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mousey Girl (Post 268415)
The lead story on yahoo this morning was that her 14 kids would be costing the tax payers $1.5 million.

She better start selling Thin Mints to be able to raise the money !!

Oh, you mean the taxpayers are paying so she can raise her kids??

we need one of these smileys ----->

Betty 02-13-2009 09:17 AM

Dad at 13... and Mom at 15.

Can't hot link the photo - but the Dad looks to be about 8... the age difference of the parents seems exceptionally dramatic in the photo.

Kevy Baby 02-13-2009 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 268553)
Can't hot link the photo...

Let's see if this works


Betty 02-13-2009 09:28 AM

Looks like she's the babysitter for them both!

Capt Jack 02-13-2009 09:34 AM

oh for geebus sake. wtf is wrong with this planet?

Alex 02-13-2009 09:48 AM

Teenagers having sex? I'm shocked!

Sex as teens resulting in babies? I'm double shocked!

Teens having babies and deciding to keep them? I'm triple shocked that there is gambling in this establishment.

BarTopDancer 02-13-2009 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mousey Girl (Post 268415)
The lead story on yahoo this morning was that her 14 kids would be costing the tax payers $1.5 million.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 268530)
And now you can donate. Thank God they take all major credit cards. :rolleyes:

On one had it's irritating that she's getting paid for her story. It just encourages bad behavior. I'd rather they drop her into oblivion. On the other hand, the more she makes off her story the less the tax payers will have to pay. I think 20,000 state workers are being laid off today because the budget hasn't been signed.

BarTopDancer 02-13-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Betty (Post 268553)
Dad at 13... and Mom at 15.

Can't hot link the photo - but the Dad looks to be about 8... the age difference of the parents seems exceptionally dramatic in the photo.

He doesn't look old enough to have the functions to create a baby (sperm production). And how in the heck does a 15 year old girl end up with a 12 year old boy?

Morrigoon 02-13-2009 10:51 AM

I blame the girl in this situation. There's no reason for a girl that age to be with a boy that age if she isn't deliberately trying to have a baby.

Alex 02-13-2009 10:53 AM

When I was 13 I had sex with a 15 year old girl. We were in the same grade. Doesn't seem all that mind boggling.

BarTopDancer 02-13-2009 10:57 AM

He was 12 at the time the baby was conceived.

katiesue 02-13-2009 10:59 AM

I'm with Alex I don't think it's all that shocking.

Betty 02-13-2009 11:05 AM

It's not all that shocking. It was the picture of them that got me. What does a 15 year old girl want with a boy that looks 8? I know he's 12/13/whatever but come on. Is he really charming or something?

Capt Jack 02-13-2009 11:10 AM

its not shocking. thats what makes it so sad

Kevy Baby 02-13-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Betty (Post 268588)
What does a 15 year old girl want with a boy that looks 8?

Same could be asked of Michael Jackson

Strangler Lewis 02-13-2009 04:22 PM

Everyone involved should move here and run for high office.

Betty 02-15-2009 04:15 PM

13 year old may be the Dad... or it could be one of these 2 to 8 other boys.
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* Who's her daddy? Boys come forward to claim paternity

Two teenagers have come forward to claim paternity for the baby girl fathered by 13-year-old Alfie Patten, amid reports the child's mother Chantelle Steadman was sleeping with as many as eight boys.

CoasterMatt 02-15-2009 04:18 PM

So she was the inverse of the Octomom?

alphabassettgrrl 02-15-2009 06:48 PM

Versus just said Team Astana had three of their bikes stolen last night, including Lance Armstrong's time-trial bike.

WTF? Have a little respect, people. You know it's going to show up on Ebay, so if they care, they can find who has it and prosecute them, but dude.

Need to find a link.

Moonliner 02-16-2009 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl (Post 268819)
Versus just said Team Astana had three of their bikes stolen last night, including Lance Armstrong's time-trial bike.

WTF? Have a little respect, people. You know it's going to show up on Ebay, so if they care, they can find who has it and prosecute them, but dude.

Need to find a link.

Or craigslist, don't forget that site....

Alex 02-16-2009 08:26 AM

Having recently watched Six Pack (Kenny Roger's shining screen achievement), I suggest Armstrong check if any of his fellow racers recently picked up an unusually young support crew.

Not Afraid 02-16-2009 10:48 AM

Armstrong's bike is one of a kind, so it's not like it's going to be easy to sell.

Ghoulish Delight 02-16-2009 11:20 AM

At least they know what the getaway vehicle looks like.

CoasterMatt 02-16-2009 09:01 PM

Founder of Islamic TV station accused of beheading wife

cirquelover 02-16-2009 10:27 PM

Wow, just wow.

SzczerbiakManiac 02-17-2009 01:51 AM

from the CNN article, "The founder of an Islamic television station in upstate New York aimed at countering Muslim stereotypes..."

So how's that stereotype countering working out for ya Muzzammil?

I wonder if this will turn out to be an "honor killing".

Alex 02-17-2009 07:55 AM

Sounds like it was a good old-fashioned American-style divorce-slaying.

Moonliner 02-17-2009 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 269010)
Sounds like it was a good old-fashioned American-style divorce-slaying.

It sounds more like a mixing pot of cultures. Good old-fashioned American divorce-slaying combined with radical Muslim thinking.

Cadaverous Pallor 02-17-2009 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 269012)
It sounds more like a mixing pot of cultures. Good old-fashioned American divorce-slaying combined with radical Muslim thinking.

Maybe that's why he confessed - he thought he wouldn't be prosecuted.

Ghoulish Delight 02-17-2009 05:40 PM

People seem to think the big deal in this story is that Madonna is about the same age as her new beau's grandma.

But hold on just a moment...the "kid" is 22. Madonna is 51. His grandma is 51? Oh, and his mom is "14 years younger than Madonna" and is pissed.

Let's see, 51-14=37. 37-22=15.

So, lady, you had your boy at age 15. And grandma had you at around that same age. At least your son's an adult!

bewitched 02-18-2009 08:55 PM

Man Sues Walmart After Being Bitten By A Snake But Keeps Going Back For Deals

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Our favorite detail, though, is that he won't stop going to Walmart, because "their prices are too good to shop elsewhere."

lashbear 02-19-2009 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 269312)

Have you been reading the "National Enquirer" again ??

[Off-Topic] ....Oh, and the Lemonades were YUMMY!! [/Off-Topic]

bewitched 02-19-2009 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lashbear (Post 269359)
Have you been reading the "National Enquirer" again ??

The Consumerist

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[Off-Topic] ....Oh, and the Lemonades were YUMMY!! [/Off-Topic]
Those are Olivia's favorites. :D

alphabassettgrrl 02-19-2009 06:48 PM

Armstrong's bike has been returned, and one of his teammates' was recovered as well. He will be riding it tomorrow in Solvang. Hurray! Now to find the other two bikes, and spank in an un-fun way the little bugger who stole 'em.

Ghoulish Delight 02-20-2009 04:11 PM

I don't know about you, but I think I've just resolved to be perfectly happy with whatever height my chairs are manufactured at and not care so much about adjustability:

Boy Killed anally when office chair explodes

:eek:

SzczerbiakManiac 02-20-2009 04:21 PM

The grammatical awkwardness of the headline makes me suspicious as to the validity of that story. But I suppose it is plausible.

Alex 02-20-2009 04:27 PM

The article GD links too is also suspicious of the validity of the story.

The original headline Gizmodo got its story from is "Boy Killed By Anal Penetrating Chair." Not sure that is much better, grammatically.

Ghoulish Delight 02-23-2009 04:20 PM

*sniff* This is hurtful

Betty 02-23-2009 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270049)

Guess they didn't have the balls to do that face to face?

Deebs 02-23-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270049)

GD, instead of coming by for a visit, you should egg their house next time. Or at least TP the place. That wouldn't be very original, but they already think you're uninteresting.

Ghoulish Delight 02-23-2009 05:08 PM

This is the thanks I get for sharing my collection of potted grass blades. Well, we'll just see how they feel when they don't receive their rice cake variety pack gift basket this December.

Kevy Baby 02-23-2009 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270049)

So is it worse to be a Scientologist or swinger?

Betty 02-24-2009 10:07 AM

Sometimes you eat the fish - sometimes the fish eat you... well not all of you. Just your dead skin. Or at least they did.

Not Afraid 02-24-2009 10:09 AM

If I stick my feet in my fish tank.............?

Cadaverous Pallor 02-24-2009 11:53 AM

Don't you love a country where things are banned "just to be safe" without any evidence of problems? :rolleyes: There's some serious Big Brother shyte here.

Personally, I wouldn't do it, but that hardly matters.

Moonliner 02-24-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 270171)
Don't you love a country where things are banned "just to be safe" without any evidence of problems? :rolleyes: There's some serious Big Brother shyte here.

Personally, I wouldn't do it, but that hardly matters.

Damn, the guy was taking in $28,000 a month off this. That's a lot of lost taxes for the state in a tough economy.

Alex 02-24-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 270171)
Don't you love a country where things are banned "just to be safe" without any evidence of problems? :rolleyes: There's some serious Big Brother shyte here.

I don't think that is so much the issue here. This wasn't a new law passed, knee-jerk, to ban something. It is an existing law that is specific but can't easily expand to accommodate a new development.

It has always been the law in Florida that cosmetology devices used for certain purposes must be cleaned to certain standards between customers. It isn't surprising that nobody writing the law thought to add "unless said device is a small fish." But this issue of overly specific (and therefore inelastic) statute and rulemaking is an ever running discussion. For one point of view on it I would recommend a booked called The Death of Common Sense: How Law is Suffocating America by Philip K. Howard.

And even then I'd say a strong case could be made that this is a situation where, if cosmetology is going to be a regulated industry, the burden should be on the practitioners to show safety rather than the regulators to show harm.

After all, for the same reason the nail people wear gloves and are required to change them, these fish will be potentially in contact with bodily fluids. If they were offering a treatment where mosquito bites were shown to relax wrinkles I think we'd all see why it wouldn't be good for the same mosquitos to be used on different people. A fish's mouth isn't necessarily all that different.

That said, I assume offering this as simply a "fun experience of fish eating your toes" would probably be perfectly legal so long as it wasn't under the cosmetology banner (and therefore regulated by those standards).

Moonliner 02-24-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 270202)

That said, I assume offering this as simply a "fun experience of fish eating your toes" would probably be perfectly legal so long as it wasn't under the cosmetology banner (and therefore regulated by those standards).

Until the SPCA and/or PETA folks start getting involved...

Betty 02-24-2009 02:07 PM

Is no one but me grossed out by fish eating the dead flesh off of you?

Strangler Lewis 02-24-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Betty (Post 270205)
Is no one but me grossed out by fish eating the dead flesh off of you?

You clearly have an imbalance of humours. We'll have to bleed you.

Betty 02-24-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis (Post 270206)
You clearly have an imbalance of humours. We'll have to bleed you.

Can you pretend to be a vampire while you do it? Perhaps let me read a vampire book or two first? Not that I'm out looking for someone to bite me and suck my blood but if I've got to do it, let me pretend.

Strangler Lewis 02-24-2009 02:13 PM

Speak to the leeches about it.

Alex 02-24-2009 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Betty (Post 270205)
Is no one but me grossed out by fish eating the dead flesh off of you?

Doesn't bother me. But then when we were kids we went camping up in the mountains and swam in a local lake. Came out of the water just covered in leeches like in that scene from Stand by Me. After the shock the first time (I didn't even know leeches existed) I was going in on purpose because it was cool.

And then even cooler when my mom and stepdad used a cigarette to get them to detach.

Kevy Baby 02-24-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Betty (Post 270205)
Is no one but me grossed out by fish eating the dead flesh off of you?

My knee-jerk reaction was to be grossed out, but once I thought about, I realized that it really isn't that big of a deal to me. They are not getting inside my body or traveling up my legs. Yeah, it might be a little weird at first, but all in all probably safer and better for me than other methods.

Not Afraid 02-24-2009 03:03 PM

I bet it tickles.

Strangler Lewis 02-24-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 270217)
I bet it tickles.

Plus your toes are pretty tough. It's not like these salons are doing something weird, like, oh, to make something up, pouring hot wax down your ass to yank the hair out.

Kevy Baby 02-24-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis (Post 270219)
...pouring hot wax down your ass to yank the hair out.

I LOVE when they do that.










Oh wait; was that my outside voice?

Moonliner 02-25-2009 03:00 PM

Being gay or lesbian gets you booted from X-Box Live.

Link.

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Teresa says that she was harassed by other players and later suspended from XBOX Live because she identified herself as a lesbian in her profile. When she appealed to Microsoft, she says they told her that other gamers found her sexual orientation "offensive."

Betty 02-25-2009 04:38 PM

On the one hand, it's a gaming platform and one's sexual preference doesn't really come into play does it? So why is it part of their profile or name? Or is XboxLive now a pick up place for xbox sex of some kind? (with our ongoing issues with the red ring of death I don't have a lot of hope out for ever going on Live again to find out.)

On the other hand, would someone be banned for having "straight" in their profile or as part of their name? I suspect not.

Funny (not really) how they also banned the guy who's last name is actually Gaywood.

JWBear 02-25-2009 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 270440)
On the one hand, it's a gaming platform and one's sexual preference doesn't really come into play does it? So why is it part of their profile or name? Or is XboxLive now a pick up place for xbox sex of some kind?

Sexual orientation is always "in play". As one of the comments said, would someone with the handle "ladiesman" get banned? It's an expression of sexual orientation. I'm tired of straight people who think it's ok to project their sexual orientation any time, and in any way they feel; but tell us we can not.

Why is a straight man talking about his wife or girlfriend is considered normal, but a gay man talking about his husband or boyfriend is considered "flaunting his sexuality"? Double standards, anyone?.

Why would you assume that she was in XboxLive for sex just because she identified herself as lesbian? Personaly, I find that implication to be very insulting. Someone identifying themselves as lesbian or gay does not automaticaly mean they are there for sex; no more than if someone identifies themself as straight.

Morrigoon 02-25-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270444)
Sexual orientation is always "in play". As one of the comments said, would someone with the handle "ladiesman" get banned? It's an expression of sexual orientation. I'm tired of straight people who think it's ok to project their sexual orientation any time, and in any way they feel; but tell us we can not.

Why is a straight man talking about his wife or girlfriend is considered normal, but a gay man talking about his husband or boyfriend is considered "flaunting his sexuality"? Double standards, anyone?.

:snap:
And THIS is why we need to legalize gay marriage.

Betty 02-26-2009 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270444)
Sexual orientation is always "in play". As one of the comments said, would someone with the handle "ladiesman" get banned? It's an expression of sexual orientation. I'm tired of straight people who think it's ok to project their sexual orientation any time, and in any way they feel; but tell us we can not.

Why is a straight man talking about his wife or girlfriend is considered normal, but a gay man talking about his husband or boyfriend is considered "flaunting his sexuality"? Double standards, anyone?.

Why would you assume that she was in XboxLive for sex just because she identified herself as lesbian? Personaly, I find that implication to be very insulting. Someone identifying themselves as lesbian or gay does not automaticaly mean they are there for sex; no more than if someone identifies themself as straight.

No offense was meant...

Perhaps it's a personal thing to me and I project that a bit? My sexual orientation isn't something I go around proclaiming... when it does come up I think "sex"? I dunno. That's how it initially struck me though. That may have to do with me being old and married? (and yeah - I see the irony of that statement when so many people aren't allowed to be married to the one they love.)

Just excuses on my part?

You're right though - and it shouldn't be an issue. If they allow womanizer or ladiesman then they should allow other references to whatever orientation. They certainly shouldn't allow the harrassment by other players because of their orientation... Their poor gaming skillz though are another matter. Would they allow womanizer for a man and not for a woman?

And again - no offense was meant. I know it's a touchy subject and I should have thought my post through more carefully before I hit submit.

JWBear 02-26-2009 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 270514)
My sexual orientation isn't something I go around proclaiming...

So, you never mention your husband to anyone? Your marriage is never brought up in conversation? You and your husband never hold hands, or hug, or kiss in public? Legal documents you've signed list him as a "roommate" or "friend"? You've never done or said anything that would indicate you are straight?

If you answered "no" to any of those, then you have proclaimed your sexual orientation. In fact, I'll wager that you do so many times a day.

Moonliner 02-26-2009 11:25 AM

Define: Mentioned
A speaking or notice of anything, usually in a brief or cursory manner. Used especially in the phrase to make mention of.


Define: Proclaimed
To excitedly, verbosely and candidly describe

I don't think Betty proclaims her sexuality on a regular basis. Nor do I think the X-Box gal proclaimed hers.

JWBear 02-26-2009 11:36 AM

Semantic pedantry is what one falls back on when one has no valid argument.

Moonliner 02-26-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270558)
Semantic pedantry is what one falls back on when one has no valid argument.

Or abuses when trying to make a point irregardless of the facts.

Ghoulish Delight 02-26-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270558)
Semantic pedantry is what one falls back on when one has no valid argument.

Geez. First off, she apologized and conceded your point, not sure why you're piling on.

Secondly, it's not "semantic pedantry." There is a big difference between, "I went to dinner with my wife last night," and, "Hey everyone, I prefer f*cking pussy to sucking dick!"

The question is, where on that spectrum does "Hey, I'm a lesbian" fall? I don't think it's particularly strong of a declaration. I wouldn't expect "I'm straight" to raise anyone's eyebrows, so I do consider XBox's actions out of line.

Strangler Lewis 02-26-2009 12:27 PM

I don't know what X-Box live is, but I get the sense that all the gays should be kicked off.

Then, when all the straights are kicked off, the world will be a better place.

JWBear 02-26-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270563)
Geez. First off, she apologized and conceded your point, not sure why you're piling on.

Secondly, it's not "semantic pedantry." There is a big difference between, "I went to dinner with my wife last night," and, "Hey everyone, I prefer f*cking pussy to sucking dick!"

The question is, where on that spectrum does "Hey, I'm a lesbian" fall? I don't think it's particularly strong of a declaration. I wouldn't expect "I'm straight" to raise anyone's eyebrows, so I do consider XBox's actions out of line.

My second post was in response to Moonliner, not Betty.

And while she did apologize, I think she (and others) missed the point. "Proclaiming", "flaunting", "mentioning", (whatever) your sexual orientation is not something only gays and lesbians do. Straights do it also. Just because heterosexuality is considered "normal" by society does not mean that straights do not constantly, and in thousands of little ways, display it. I get tired of the double standard that a straight person can bring up their sexuality any time they want, and no one bats an eye; but if I or my fellow homosexuals do, we are told it's "inappropriate" or that we are "flaunting" it, or "shoving it down normal peoples throats".

Ghoulish Delight 02-26-2009 12:48 PM

I don't disagree with your view.

But to play a bit of devils advocate for a moment, because heterosexuality is the overwhelming majority, gays do end up having to be more overt about their "declarations" of their sexuality. If a straight man is hanging out in a typical bar, hoping to perhaps meet a prospective dating partner, they don't need to do anything in particular to attract the attention of said prospective partners. Whereas a homosexual man is likely to do something "out of the ordinary" to actively identify themselves as homosexual to be noticeable to their set of prospective targets.

People are assumed hetero by default, if someone wants to be quickly recognized as homosexual, it's going to take some sort of overt display.

This is just the reality of the fact that you're only about 10% of the population. It's a necessity of the circumstances.

The divergence comes with those that decide that ANY such display is de facto "wrong" and "inappropriate". I disagree with that assessment, obviously. But knowing human behavior, and the fact that we are generally hardwired to distrust things that are out of the ordinary, it's not a particularly surprising result that a large number of people have a negative reaction. The hope would be that bringing continued attention to the inequity will eventually raise the public conscience to the fact that it's not "inappropriate", even if it is conspicuous. But I do understand, when heterosexuality is the default, and part of the background noise, people have difficulty recognizing that overt "declarations" of homosexuality aren't done out of a desire to be inappropriate.

Afterall, wouldn't people look at someone who walks around saying, "Hi, I'm straight" pretty funny?

JWBear 02-26-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270571)
But to play a bit of devils advocate for a moment, because heterosexuality is the overwhelming majority, gays do end up having to be more overt about their "declarations" of their sexuality. If a straight man is hanging out in a typical bar, hoping to perhaps meet a prospective dating partner, they don't need to do anything in particular to attract the attention of said prospective partners. Whereas a homosexual man is likely to do something "out of the ordinary" to actively identify themselves as homosexual to be noticeable to their set of prospective targets.

People are assumed hetero by default, if someone wants to be quickly recognized as homosexual, it's going to take some sort of overt display.

This is just the reality of the fact that you're only about 10% of the population. It's a necessity of the circumstances.

That may be true, but I wasn’t talking about that kind of a situation. I was referring to everyday life. And implicit in your scenario is the same assumption that the only reason anyone would want to be open about being gay is for the purpose of eliciting sex.

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270571)
Afterall, wouldn't people look at someone who walks around saying, "Hi, I'm straight" pretty funny?

Do you really think that is the only way in which you call attention to your sexuality? I don’t walk around saying, "Hi, I'm gay", but I have held Bill’s hand in public; and gotten angry and disgusted looks for it. How about you and CP? Not so much, I expect.

Betty 02-26-2009 01:34 PM

JWBear - what do you want me to say?

It's not my fault I can talk about my spouse. I agreed with you that you should be able to. I voted no on 8. I got into arguments... er discussions at work over the subject with coworkers. I had heart to heart talks with my kids because her friends were saying Yes on 8 and I wanted her to understand what that really meant - and in the end - she actually agreed with me. (and for my 14 year old to agree with me on something - well - it feels like an accomplishment sometimes.)

Would you prefer I not discuss my spouse? I have never expressed that you shouldn't do the same. I think you should! And I'm sorry that people have made you feel badly about doing so.

I am not society as a whole but it sure feels like you're making this double standard all my fault.

Strangler Lewis 02-26-2009 01:38 PM

I still think the larger point is being missed: that all online gaming is, sub silentio, gay. Or, perhaps more aptly, like many internet interactions, it is about anonymous intimacy. I suspect many of the gamers would be upset to learn that the person who blew them through the glory hole was a man, and they wouldn't want a gay guy in their wrestling club. No different here.

Kevy Baby 02-26-2009 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 270555)
Define: Mentioned
A speaking or notice of anything, usually in a brief or cursory manner. Used especially in the phrase to make mention of.

Define: Proclaimed
To excitedly, verbosely and candidly describe

I don't think Betty proclaims her sexuality on a regular basis. Nor do I think the X-Box gal proclaimed hers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270558)
Semantic pedantry is what one falls back on when one has no valid argument.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 270559)
Or abuses when trying to make a point irregardless of the facts.

Okay, I almost didn't post this because it such a "me too" post, but I gotta chime in that I am with Moonie on this one.

And GD's follow-up as well.

JWBear 02-26-2009 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 270575)
JWBear - what do you want me to say?

It's not my fault I can talk about my spouse. I agreed with you that you should be able to. I voted no on 8. I got into arguments... er discussions at work over the subject with coworkers. I had heart to heart talks with my kids because her friends were saying Yes on 8 and I wanted her to understand what that really meant - and in the end - she actually agreed with me. (and for my 14 year old to agree with me on something - well - it feels like an accomplishment sometimes.)

Would you prefer I not discuss my spouse? I have never expressed that you shouldn't do the same. I think you should! And I'm sorry that people have made you feel badly about doing so.

I am not society as a whole but it sure feels like you're making this double standard all my fault.

You’re post pushed one of my buttons, and I apologize.

I would never expect to not talk about your husband. But please keep in mind that, when you do, you are bringing up your sexuality. It’s a good thing, and more power to you.

You, personally, are not to blame for the double standard. I never said that. All I ask of anyone is to keep in mind that it exists, and to not feed into it.

JWBear 02-26-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 270579)
Okay, I almost didn't post this because it such a "me too" post, but I gotta chime in that I am with Moonie on this one.

And GD's follow-up as well.

Then you too are missing the point.

Not Afraid 02-26-2009 02:16 PM

There is a double standard and there probably always will be. People bring their own values and "morals" along with them and make judgements accordingly. When Chris and I were living together before we were married, we had lots of people "disapprove" of us. I decided that was their problem and really had no effect on my life, so fu<k 'em. I, personally, will never understand why gay couples don't hold hands in public, kiss in public, do any of the things that straight couples do in public. Yes, some people won't approve, but so what? Fu<k 'em.

As for someone being ousted from a gaming site because they stated who they are, that's wrong. Who cares if someone playing an on-line game is a lesbian? Where is the list of what is appropriate and what is not? Maybe they should make a check list of items and then approve you based on your answers. ie:

Lesbian
Gay
Homophobe
Christian
Nudist
Athiest
Hedonist
Swinger
Wife Beater
Pederast
Copraphiliac
Flirt
Polygamist
Asexual
Virgin
etc. etc. etc.

Would ANY of those things REALLY matter in an on-line gaming community?

Kevy Baby 02-26-2009 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270583)
Then you too are missing the point.

No I'm not. I just disagree with some of it.

We're on the same side of the fence on the fact that there are bigots out there.

But I disagree with your "Semantic pedantry" position.

Why must people who support gay rights (which I believe almost every active poster on this board is) be subject to attack for being a breeder?

That I hold my wife's hand in public or refer to my wife in conversation, etc. does not mean I am flaunting it. I am not going to suppress who I am.

I am sorry that homosexuals are attacked (from glares to physical violence) for the simple displays of affection in public that heterosexuals can enjoy. I will be the first person to come to your defense when a bigot makes him/herself known (I've even yelled at a family member for such bigotry). But don't berate me for the fact that I can and don't expect me to stop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270582)
You, personally, are not to blame for the double standard. I never said that. All I ask of anyone is to keep in mind that it exists, and to not feed into it.

Do you really think that anyone here (on LoT) does otherwise? I've seen no evidence of it.

Disneyphile 02-26-2009 02:27 PM

I think all public displays of affection should be stopped, except for masturbation. That way, no one knows anyone's orientation. ;)

Not Afraid 02-26-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 270589)
I am sorry that homosexuals are attacked (from glares to physical violence) for the simple displays of affection in public that heterosexuals can enjoy. I will be the first person to come to your defense when a bigot makes him/herself known (I've even yelled at a family member for such bigotry). But don't berate me for the fact that I can and don't expect me to stop.

And, this is the same root of the issue we discussed much earlier involving recognition of marriage.

I was comparing this recently to other things that one "cannot" do and how far friends and loved ones should be expected to go to be "supportive". I'm a sober alcoholic. I don't drink alcohol at all. However, many of my friends and my husband does. Would I expect them to not drink around me because I'm sober? Heck no! I expect them to not offer me a drink, but the issue is mine and it's up to me to not drink no matter WHAT circumstances surround me.

I know many couples where one is a vegetarian and the other is a meatatarian. Is one supposed to completely change their preferred diet to match the other one? Heck no.

People are free to do what they want in life (legally) and deal with the consequences of their choices. Depending on others to "get on your bandwagon" or "approve of your choice" or "change their own lives to fit the ideals of others" are pretty fu<ked up IMHO.

JWBear 02-26-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 270589)
No I'm not. I just disagree with some of it.

We're on the same side of the fence on the fact that there are bigots out there.

But I disagree with your "Semantic pedantry" position.

Why must people who support gay rights (which I believe almost every active poster on this board is) be subject to attack for being a breeder?

That I hold my wife's hand in public or refer to my wife in conversation, etc. does not mean I am flaunting it. I am not going to suppress who I am.

I am sorry that homosexuals are attacked (from glares to physical violence) for the simple displays of affection in public that heterosexuals can enjoy. I will be the first person to come to your defense when a bigot makes him/herself known (I've even yelled at a family member for such bigotry). But don't berate me for the fact that I can and don't expect me to stop.

Do you really think that anyone here (on LoT) does otherwise? I've seen no evidence of it.

Please re-read my posts, and then quote for me where I attacked anyone or asked them to stop displaying any references to their sexuality. Please. Anyone?

All I am trying to do is point out that straight people display their sexuality in numerous ways - day in and day out - whether they realize it or not. And that any attempt by gay people to display their sexuality in a similar manner is looked on by society as inappropriate. A double standard.

That, and only that, is my point. If you read anything else in what I said, then you are missing the point – spectacularly.

Morrigoon 02-26-2009 02:41 PM

I got what you were doing

SzczerbiakManiac 02-26-2009 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 270587)
I, personally, will never understand why gay couples don't hold hands in public, kiss in public, do any of the things that straight couples do in public.

(speaking only for myself)
Because I fear for my safety and/or personal property. Obviously, this varies geographically, but only in the gayest of gay neighborhoods would I feel comfortable exercising my right to a PDA with my sweetheart. Hell, even WeHo has its share of gay bashings.

Ghoulish Delight 02-26-2009 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270574)

Do you really think that is the only way in which you call attention to your sexuality? I don’t walk around saying, "Hi, I'm gay", but I have held Bill’s hand in public; and gotten angry and disgusted looks for it. How about you and CP? Not so much, I expect.

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270583)
Then you too are missing the point.

And you've missed my point. No, I don't think there is only one way that people glean sexuality. My POINT is that, being the minority, the cues that homosexuals end up by necessity using to call attention to their sexuality are by comparison, overt, explicit, and "in your face" because, by definition, they are different than what we see 90% of the time.

Even if same sex marriage becomes legal and commonplace among same sex couples, a man saying, "This is my husband" is going to stand out as "not normal" because 90% of men don't have husbands.

That's my only point. As I said, and Moonliner said, and Betty said, we still consider XBox's reaction wrong. Considering those kinds of overt declarations "inappropriate" is wrong. But no amount of social acceptance is going to change the fact that a large majority of people are heterosexual, that assuming heterosexuality is a rational default, and that idenfying yourself as homosexual is going to remain a conspicuous departure from "normal" (and by "normal" I mean "commonplace") conversation.

ETA: Of course, that's why the media can hold such power. It's a way to artificially skew that ratio higher so that it DOES become more commonplace.

JWBear 02-26-2009 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morrigoon (Post 270598)
I got what you were doing

Thank you.

Strangler Lewis 02-26-2009 02:44 PM

I don't think JW Bear suggested that any of the straights here should stop doing anything. All he said was that he doesn't get to enjoy the same easy privileges.

Now, having seen some of his Second Life creations, If I were an online gamer, I would be very concerned that he would want to f*ck my avatar.

Disneyphile 02-26-2009 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270596)
And that any attempt by gay people to display their sexuality in a similar manner is looked on by society as inappropriate. A double standard.

And, that's why I think gays should hold hands/kiss/etc. in public just as much as straights do, regardless of how they are looked upon, because once it happens often enough, it will blend into the mainstream.

Take a look at interracial couples for example. Appearing together in public was hard for many people to swallow, but as it became more common, society finally started to relax a bit.

Don't let the thoughts of others govern your freedoms that they CAN'T take away - the freedom to love, the freedom to be together, the freedom of affection wherever and whenever. That is what will truly help in gaining the freedoms that can be governed by society. Because, once it's no longer a "big deal", it won't be.

JWBear 02-26-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270601)
And you've missed my point. No, I don't think there is only one way that people glean sexuality. My POINT is that, being the minority, the cuse that homosexuals end up by necessity using to call attention to their sexuality are by comparison, overt, explicit, and "in your face" because, by definition, they are different than what we see 90% of the time.

Even if same sex marriage becomes legal and commonplace among same sex couples, a man saying, "This is my husband" is going to stand out as "not normal" because 90% of men don't have husbands.

That's my only point. As I said, and Moonliner said, and Betty said, we still consider XBox's reaction wrong. Considering those kinds of overt declarations "inappropriate" is wrong. But no amount of social acceptance is going to change the fact that a large majority of people are heterosexual, that assuming heterosexuality is a rational default, and that idenfying yourself as homosexual is going to remain a conspicuous departure from "normal" (and by "normal" I mean "commonplace") conversation.

Normal is relative. To me, a same sex couple holding hands is not, and should not be "overt, explicit, and "in your face"". To me, it is normal. No different than an opposite sex couple doing the same thing.

But again, beside the point. What I object to is that same opposite sex couple claiming that they are not displaying their sexuality when they hold hands, but then tells me I am flaunting mine when I hold hands with my boyfriend. Can you not see the double standard there?

To me, it's like telling blacks that we whites fully support their equal rights as human beings, but then insist they cover up their dark skin because it's not "normal", and is "flaunting" their race.

Ghoulish Delight 02-26-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270606)
But again, beside the point. What I object to is that same opposite sex couple claiming that they are not displaying their sexuality when they hold hands, but then tells me I am flaunting mine when I hold hands with my boyfriend. Can you not see the double standard there?

Yes, I can and I've said (third time) that I don't think it is flaunting or inappropriate.

But we're not talking about holding hands or kissing, or talking about your significant other. We're talking about a specific instance, saying, "I'm a lesbian," by way of describing yourself. There's no direct analog. Yes, saying, "My wife and I have been married for 3 years," on one level serves the same purpose. But to people who don't want to be tolerant, who want to find excuses to discriminate, it's easy for them to say, " You don't see me saying, "I'm straight" in my profile, do you?"

Denying the reality that there are actual, practical differences in the way things are communicated, to my eye, is counter productive. It'll just make people dig in. It gives them an easy excuse to say, "See, you're insisting on being treated differently and getting away with acting differently!"

The way I see it, it's better to confront and own those differences. "Yes, I DO occasionally have to be overt about it. You may be able to use the standard givens of society as an easy, effortless way to communicate what you want, but that doesn't work for me, so get over it. I'm not doing it to rub your face in it, I'm doing it because I have no other way to do what you do without even thinking about it."

JWBear 02-26-2009 03:25 PM

Again... All fine and good, but still not the point. Here it is in big letters:

Straight people display, show, demonstrate, proclaim, (insert whatever word you want) their sexuality every single day that they are alive; regardless of whether or not they realize it.

Can I say it any simpler? I know it may be obvious for some, but I am speaking to those who claim they do not.

Ghoulish Delight 02-26-2009 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270609)
Again... All fine and good, but still not the point. Here it is in big letters:

Straight people display, show, demonstrate, proclaim, (insert whatever word you want) their sexuality every single day that they are alive; regardless of whether or not they realize it.

Can I say it any simpler? I know it may be obvious for some, but I am speaking to those who claim they do not.

Sigh. You're clearly angry, and not really reading what I'm saying, so I'll drop it.

Pirate Bill 02-26-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 270587)
Lesbian
Gay
Homophobe
Christian
Nudist
Athiest
Hedonist
Swinger
Wife Beater
Pederast
Copraphiliac
Flirt
Polygamist
Asexual
Virgin
etc. etc. etc.

Would ANY of those things REALLY matter in an on-line gaming community?

Yes, yes they are. It's important for your fellow gamers to know the most effective hateful slurs to use against you. Knowing these things is just so much more efficient.

JWBear 02-26-2009 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 270610)
Sigh. You're clearly angry, and not really reading what I'm saying, so I'll drop it.

No, I am not angry... Frustrated, but not angry.

I am reading what you are saying. Are you reading what I am saying? You're posts, while well written and engaging, have very little to do with what I am talking about.

Betty stated that she did not "proclaim" her sexuality. While the word was a bit hyperbolic, it was obvious she was not using the exact, Websters approved, definition of "proclaim", but more along the lines of "demonstrate" or "exhibit". I responded to that. My main point (again, for anyone who missed it) was to show her that, yes indeed, she exhibits signs of her sexuality all the time. All straight people do - all humans do.

Then there was the post that dismissed my words, merely because of the use of the word "proclaim". I found it petty and insulting. If you want to debate me, debate the context of what I said. Dismissing the subject of a post merely because of one (debatably) misused word is lazy and irritating.

Then I was told, by someone else, that I was attacking Betty, and telling her she could not talk about her husband. WTF?

Then, despite repeating and rephrasing my point over and over, I’m bombarded with posts that are irrelevant to what I am trying to say?

No… I’ll drop it. I’ll be a good little faggot, and go crawl back into my second class hole, lined with the best of double standards and guarded by the sentinels of majority smugness and indifference.

Ghoulish Delight 02-26-2009 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270615)

Then, despite repeating and rephrasing my point over and over, I’m bombarded with posts that are irrelevant to what I am trying to say?

Well, perhaps we're just talking at two different points. I just don't understand yelling your point at me when, in each one of my posts, I not only did not DENY the point you've made, I've actually pretty explicitly backed it up.

I'm responding to the original story, the specific case of someone explicitly saying, "I'm a lesbian" in a public profile. It's a case that is not analogous to the everyday types of subtle, unconscious expression of sexuality that we engage in. It's a statement that I think deserves further examination beyond the indignant, "RESPECT MY RIGHT TO BE NORMAL JUST LIKE EVERYONE!" because it does occupy a gray area that our society, even those of us who DO respect your rights, isn't equipped to handle cleanly.

And while the pedantry of "imply" vs. "declare" may not have been directly related to the side conversation between you and Betty, it DOES have important implications to the larger topic at hand.

Disneyphile 02-26-2009 04:28 PM

I think this sums it up in one line:

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." - Eleanor Roosevelt

Betty 02-26-2009 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270615)
I’ll be a good little faggot, and go crawl back into my second class hole, lined with the best of double standards and guarded by the sentinels of majority smugness and indifference.

Do you really mean this? That all or most of here feel that you're some sort of second class citizen deserving of poor treatment and double standards? Or are you venting your frustration at the world in a more general sense?

JWBear 02-26-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 270622)
Do you really mean this? That all or most of here feel that you're some sort of second class citizen deserving of poor treatment and double standards? Or are you venting your frustration at the world in a more general sense?

No, dear lady. Fear not.

When one realizes that one is engaged in a pointless conversation, the best one can do is to bow out with all the wit and flare at ones disposal. To leave ones opponents confused is the best revenge.

Alex 02-26-2009 05:11 PM

All I know is that I'm not going to recognize or participate in anybody's marriage.

SzczerbiakManiac 02-26-2009 05:30 PM

Knowing Alex, I would assume that also includes his own.

Not Afraid 02-26-2009 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 270600)
(speaking only for myself)
Because I fear for my safety and/or personal property. Obviously, this varies geographically, but only in the gayest of gay neighborhoods would I feel comfortable exercising my right to a PDA with my sweetheart. Hell, even WeHo has its share of gay bashings.

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270609)
Again... All fine and good, but still not the point. Here it is in big letters:

Straight people display, show, demonstrate, proclaim, (insert whatever word you want) their sexuality every single day that they are alive; regardless of whether or not they realize it.

Can I say it any simpler? I know it may be obvious for some, but I am speaking to those who claim they do not.


Heterosexuals proclaim their sexuality daily but homosexuals don't because of fear? (I'm just connecting these two thoughts from two different people but I see a correlation.)

I understand the frustration of homosexuals, however, the solution seems to be to ignore the fear and proclaim away. But, if you make the choice NOT to proclaim yourself then you've made that choice and really can't complain about it. It's not like it is illegal to hold hands or kiss in public. Really, do you REALLY think people are going to physically attack you if you do? Is the number of current gay bashings really that high in comparison to the population?

Cadaverous Pallor 02-26-2009 09:32 PM

If two big burly bears hold hands or kiss in public, who is going to be stupid enough to mess with them?

JWBear 02-26-2009 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 270654)
If two big burly bears hold hands or kiss in public, who is going to be stupid enough to mess with them?

Damn straight... er... gay!

lashbear 02-27-2009 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 270646)
Heterosexuals proclaim their sexuality daily but homosexuals don't because of fear? (I'm just connecting these two thoughts from two different people but I see a correlation.)

I understand the frustration of homosexuals, however, the solution seems to be to ignore the fear and proclaim away. But, if you make the choice NOT to proclaim yourself then you've made that choice and really can't complain about it. It's not like it is illegal to hold hands or kiss in public. Really, do you REALLY think people are going to physically attack you if you do? Is the number of current gay bashings really that high in comparison to the population?

Unfortunately, I have seen a lot of people hospitalised due to Gay PDA's. Certain areas and suburbs are more high risk than others.

There is also the issue of perception. I know of a Melbourne teacher who won't embrace or hold hands with his partner in the street because he works in a big catholic primary school, and local people seeing that might just start the whole "Gay Guy working in a boys school" line of thinking. With some of the horrible court cases of sexual predatory behavious happening in schools over here at the moment, I don't blame him one bit.

I DO mention I have a partner in conversation and as the conversation proceeds I slip in a few "He's" and "His". People don't freak out as much at this generally.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 270654)
If two big burly bears hold hands or kiss in public, who is going to be stupid enough to mess with them?

Ask me that again in Disneyland and we'll find out. :snap: (and one of them will likely be in a Kilt.... :D )

I don't proclaim my sexuality, but I give out enough information to make it known, just as 90% (or more) of the population do. It's the old party / getting to know you conversation thing. "Are you single, do you have kids, what does your partner do?" I find answering these questions honestly has never ended up in a regrettable situation as yet. Touch Wood.

lashbear 02-27-2009 06:52 AM

and now to bed, cos it's nearly 1am. :eek:

SzczerbiakManiac 02-27-2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 270646)
Really, do you REALLY think people are going to physically attack you if you do? Is the number of current gay bashings really that high in comparison to the population?

It's a numbers game. Gay bashings occur daily. Am I genuinely afraid a guy is going to look at me (specifically me) holding my sweetheart's hand and attack? Those are pretty slim odds because of my size. Am I literally afraid he would bring friends? Well now the odds are "improving". Am I concerned the perp may cause harm to my property (e.g., car)? Well, yes, actually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 270654)
If two big burly bears hold hands or kiss in public, who is going to be stupid enough to mess with them?

Do we really want to find out? And what if he has a gun? Burliness wouldn't be much of a deterring factor there.

But as to your question, the answer is: a mentally unbalanced gay guy masquerading as straight so his actual friends, family, as well as his Imaginary Friend don't find out his "awful" secret. Obviously, a gay guy would never beat up one of his own, right? So the best way to divert attention away from his faggoty truth is to eliminate other queers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 270646)
I understand the frustration of homosexuals, however, the solution seems to be to ignore the fear and proclaim away.

It's all about timing and location. Back in the Jurassic Era when I had a boyfriend, we would occasionally hold hands in public. WeHo on a Friday night? We felt pretty safe. In the Downey shopping mall near where he lived? Not so much.

I do "proclaim" my sexuality with my friends and co-workers in a natural, non in-your-face manner. It is my opinion that the best long-term solution to homophobia (short of a time-traveler who goes back and eliminates the founding of all religions) is to be out and honest with people you personally encounter. It's a slow process, but in the long run the more people who are shown that we are just like them, the better our chances of achieving equality become.

alphabassettgrrl 02-27-2009 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 270646)
Heterosexuals proclaim their sexuality daily but homosexuals don't because of fear?
...
Really, do you REALLY think people are going to physically attack you if you do? Is the number of current gay bashings really that high in comparison to the population?

I ride a line between "showing" and "being quiet", absolutely. While the sheer number of gay bashings isn't large, it's small comfort if one is targeted.

So yes, fear does keep things quiet. I'm with JWBear in that I'm tired of hearing how gay people "flaunt" their sexuality by holding hands, yet when an opposite-sex couple does it, it's not flaunting anything. BS. It's the same, just one is approved by the larger society, one is not (yet).


Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 270719)
It is my opinion that the best long-term solution to homophobia (short of a time-traveler who goes back and eliminates the founding of all religions) is to be out and honest with people you personally encounter. It's a slow process, but in the long run the more people who are shown that we are just like them, the better our chances of achieving equality become.

Definitely. Those of us who can, will make it easier for those of us who can't yet.

bewitched 02-27-2009 08:42 PM

As an aside, here is Microsoft's response:

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As stated in the Xbox Live Terms of Use, a member may not create a gamertag or use text in other profile fields that include comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate content of a potentially sexual nature. Profiles that do are asked to change the language and suspended until changes are made. In regards to sexual orientation, for gamertags or profiles we do not allow expression of any type of orientation, be that hetero or other. Players can, however, self identify in voice communication where context is more easily explained to all players involved.
So presumably, if someone had a tag of "straightman" and it was brought to MS's attention (which seems to be some part of the mix), MS would suspend that person as well.

Prudence 02-27-2009 10:19 PM

Meanwhile, in WTF land: You found a WHAT in the WHERE?

Strangler Lewis 02-28-2009 12:27 AM

I believe contemporary green thinking says you fry some up and compost the rest.

lashbear 02-28-2009 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prudence (Post 270789)
Meanwhile, in WTF land: You found a WHAT in the WHERE?

In the meantime, I wonder what sort of Google search led to finding THAT article :eek:

alphabassettgrrl 02-28-2009 07:55 PM

Somehow this makes me feel better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 270773)
As an aside, here is Microsoft's response:

So presumably, if someone had a tag of "straightman" and it was brought to MS's attention (which seems to be some part of the mix), MS would suspend that person as well.


Strangler Lewis 03-01-2009 06:49 AM

I bet "straightman" could avoid the ban by saying he was an orthodontist or a chiropractor or Magellan, but "fagman" could not avoid it by saying he was a tobacconist.

Deebs 03-02-2009 09:19 AM

Breast-feeding, cell-using driver charged

Kevy Baby 03-02-2009 12:16 PM

Shouldn't there be a "reasonable" clause in the Statute of Limitations?

Wanted since 1928: Cops aim to serve warrant
Document find prompts hunt for man accused of writing $30 bad check


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ELIZABETHTON, Tenn. - The Carter County Sheriff's Department is trying to serve an 80-year-old warrant for the arrest of a man who wrote a $30 bad check, although officers are unsure if he is alive.
Whole Ridiculous Story

Ghoulish Delight 03-02-2009 12:40 PM

The WTF to end all WTF's

Crying Skinned Hermaphrodie Telephone. Bidding ends Sunday, so hurry!

Capt Jack 03-02-2009 01:01 PM

thats so ugly it makes me ill to see it and sad to think someone worked that hard on something so hideous...and frankly, so incredibly pointless.

Moonliner 03-02-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 271064)
Shouldn't there be a "reasonable" clause in the Statute of Limitations?

Wanted since 1928: Cops aim to serve warrant
Document find prompts hunt for man accused of writing $30 bad check


Whole Ridiculous Story

1928? Are you kidding, this is wonderful! If you think of the way penalties and interest accrue on fines like this, collecting from this one guy could go a long way towards paying off the entire stimulus plan.....

Kevy Baby 03-02-2009 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Jack (Post 271085)
thats so ugly it makes me ill to see it and sad to think someone worked that hard on something so hideous...and frankly, so incredibly pointless.

But it's art!

Moonliner 03-02-2009 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 271077)
The WTF to end all WTF's

Crying Skinned Hermaphrodie Telephone. Bidding ends Sunday, so hurry!

Hold on a second, it could be a true work of art. Did you check the number of bids? Currently there are zero bids. People never get real art, at least not until an art sonbbler puts it in a gallery and tells everyone how great it is. So the fact that no one has bid means this item has potential. Especially if the artist offs his or her self in a fit of depression over it not selling.

Strangler Lewis 03-02-2009 01:46 PM

I know all there is to know about the cryingskinnedhermaphroditetelephone.

Capt Jack 03-02-2009 02:45 PM

I know as much as I wanna know.

Moonliner 03-02-2009 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 271077)
The WTF to end all WTF's

Crying Skinned Hermaphrodie Telephone. Bidding ends Sunday, so hurry!

It made the front page of digg.com, still no bids.

Ghoulish Delight 03-02-2009 03:54 PM

That's why I haven't bid on it myself. To preserve its integrity as a pure art piece, not sullied by commercial interest.

Capt Jack 03-02-2009 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 271123)
To preserve its integrity as a pure art piece, not sullied by commercial interest.

I think its safe in that respect

bewitched 03-02-2009 07:25 PM

$299? I wonder how much I can get for my 70s rotary banana phone.

Betty 03-03-2009 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 271156)
$299? I wonder how much I can get for my 70s rotary banana phone.

Ebay says maybe $10.... or maybe not since there's not bids yet.

Morrigoon 03-03-2009 11:29 AM

Pink dolphin

bewitched 03-03-2009 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morrigoon (Post 271248)

That is so cool!

Alex 03-03-2009 12:24 PM

Dang, I was hoping it was a story about finding new populations of the very endangered real pink (that is, not from albinism) river dolphin species - particularly in China which I think have been tentatively labeled as extinct.

But that is a pretty cool coloring. Though these get from the Amazon get pretty close (and we got to see some in an animal show in Singapore):


Ghoulish Delight 03-03-2009 04:10 PM

<lobs this one over the fence and runs>

[safe for work]

Spoiler:

Kevy Baby 03-03-2009 04:56 PM

Gulp! She swallowed her own engagement ring
Woman’s boyfriend hid it in milkshake to propose; happily, the crisis passed

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A lot of guys try to come up with proposal scenarios that their girlfriends will remember forever. So give Reed Harris credit for accomplishing that goal — even if it turned out to be in don’t-try-this-at-home fashion.

The idea was a variation on a common theme: Put the ring in a drink and let his beloved discover it. Harris did his part, hiding the ring in a Wendy’s Frosty milkshake. But, as he and his girlfriend, Kaitlin Whipple, told TODAY’s Matt Lauer Monday in New York, she ate the entire shake and never found the ring.
I like this line:
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"It arrived this morning and I have never been so excited about my bodily functions."
The rest of the story.

Betty 03-03-2009 04:56 PM

You realize of course you're about a month early for April 1st. Right?:p (referring to the beer drinking thing.)

Kevy Baby 03-03-2009 04:58 PM

Apparently, they even appeared on the Today Show. (And she's kinda cute.)




Ghoulish Delight 03-03-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 271317)
You realize of course you're about a month early for April 1st. Right?:p (referring to the beer drinking thing.)

I don't do April Fools.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-03-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 271318)
Apparently, they even appeared on the Today Show. (And she's kinda cute.)

She's all yours if I can have him! :evil:

Cadaverous Pallor 03-03-2009 05:18 PM

Bwahaha, women suck. :D

Alex 03-03-2009 05:29 PM

What month were you born in?

Capt Jack 03-03-2009 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 271324)
Bwahaha, women suck. :D

god bless em


Kevy Baby 03-03-2009 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 271319)
I don't do April Fools.

VGDM :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 271324)
Bwahaha, women suck. :D

And for that I am grateful.

Cadaverous Pallor 03-03-2009 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 271327)
What month were you born in?

May. Wonder what that means.

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Originally Posted by Capt Jack (Post 271329)
god bless em


Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 271344)
And for that I am grateful.

Should I have said that women are lame? :p Unless you got a thing for women with canes...

JWBear 03-03-2009 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 271357)
Should I have said that women are lame? :p Unless you got a thing for women with canes...

You probably don't want to know. It is Kevy we're talking about here...

SzczerbiakManiac 03-04-2009 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 271327)
What month were you born in?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 271357)
May. Wonder what that means.

Well since it's Alex asking, clearly he wants to plot your astrological chart. Because, as everyone knows, all of life's mysteries can be traced back to the position of celestial bodies at the moment of one's birth.

JWBear 03-04-2009 09:59 AM

No, you need the exact time and place of birth for that. It's probably a numerology thing.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-04-2009 02:40 PM

Yeah, we certainly wouldn't want it to be inaccurate or a gross generalization!

SzczerbiakManiac 03-04-2009 02:43 PM

As a tie-in to the movie, even though they're referencing TOS*, I bring you Star Trek fragrances.


*Which I think qualifies as a double WTF.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-09-2009 11:56 PM

Warning: This link is absolutely NOT work safe!
It's from a gay porn blog, so consider yourself warned.


It's a plain white t-shirt with a photo-realistic image of a tallywacker at the bottom, apparently designed to be slightly tucked in. You'll see what I mean when you look at the picture. Gonna spoiler the link to prevent accidental clicks.I think it qualifies as a WTF, but in a good way. I gotta get me one of those shirts! :evil:

Cadaverous Pallor 03-10-2009 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 271454)
As a tie-in to the movie, even though they're referencing TOS*, I bring you Star Trek fragrances.


*Which I think qualifies as a double WTF.

This is hilarious! Red Shirt! Pon Farr! Though I have to admit I'm more interested in Tiberius, myself. :D

bewitched 03-10-2009 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 271454)
As a tie-in to the movie, even though they're referencing TOS*, I bring you Star Trek fragrances.


*Which I think qualifies as a double WTF.

Sadly you just know there are people out there that are really excited by this.

Moonliner 03-10-2009 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 272233)
Sadly you just know there are people out there that are really excited by this.

How much of a loser would you have to be to wear "Red Shirt". Geeze.

Capt Jack 03-10-2009 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 272241)
How much of a loser would you have to be to wear "Red Shirt". Geeze.

Im thinking those who do must have a death wish

Moonliner 03-12-2009 06:04 PM

Maryland. We're small but never boring, no never boring. Here is one small example.....

Saber Saw Sex Toy Incident: DIY Gone Very, Very Wrong


Quote:

A 27-year old woman was rushed to the hospital after a kinky encounter with her partner resulted in injuries that I would rather not contemplate. Sufficed to say, dildos and saber saws don't mix.

Amazingly enough, these DIYers fitted the sex toy right over the blade
Full story (perhaps NSFW)

Kevy Baby 03-12-2009 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 272762)
Maryland. We're small but never boring, no never boring. Here is one small example.....

Saber Saw Sex Toy Incident: DIY Gone Very, Very Wrong

Quote:

A 27-year old woman was rushed to the hospital after a kinky encounter with her partner resulted in injuries that I would rather not contemplate. Sufficed to say, dildos and saber saws don't mix.

Amazingly enough, these DIYers fitted the sex toy right over the blade
Full story (perhaps NSFW)

It was what I was afraid of (from one of the added comments - not verified). Hidden for the squeamish:
Spoiler:
... apparently the blade cut through the dildo, then her...



ETA: Posted at NBC NY Web Site as well

Betty 03-13-2009 06:38 AM

Boy - that's a WTF story if I ever heard one. WTF were they thinking? Everyone knows that saws and cooches do NOT mix well together. No good can come of that.

Cadaverous Pallor 03-13-2009 08:13 AM

That's the ultimate Darwin award story! Aim for the baby-makin' bits!

alphabassettgrrl 03-13-2009 10:33 AM

Ouch!

Strangler Lewis 03-13-2009 12:24 PM

I would think the teeth of the saw would just grind against the teeth of the . . .

Scrooge McSam 03-13-2009 12:26 PM

Camille? Is that you?

Kevy Baby 03-13-2009 12:29 PM

I've seen a similar device on the HBO Katie Morgan Sex Toys special - though I don't think that one had the blade inside.

BTW: Katie Morgan is hilarious in her HBO specials

SzczerbiakManiac 03-13-2009 02:22 PM

Oh those wacky Japanese TV shows...!
 
from OutSports
Quote:

Further proof that Japanese TV shows are truly bizarre. In this challenge, members of a rugby team trying to look up inside their own butt to read a sticker placed there by the host. Note: All genital shots are blotted out by the broadcaster.
Like Jim Buzinski said, the genital shots are redacted, but this still may not be work safe just due to the nature of the clip.

Capt Jack 03-13-2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 272853)
I've seen a similar device on the HBO Katie Morgan Sex Toys special - though I don't think that one had the blade inside.

BTW: Katie Morgan is hilarious in her HBO specials

and a hottie (I just hit her 'official' site, as I had no idea...and still really dont. just be careful prowling around there btw. not all of it is worksafe)

lashbear 03-13-2009 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 272762)
Maryland. We're small but never boring, no never boring. Here is one small example.....
Saber Saw Sex Toy Incident: DIY Gone Very, Very Wrong
Full story (perhaps NSFW)

The scary part is: That couples next DIY Project was (rude concept within)
Spoiler:
Making an Artificial Vagina out of an In-sink-erator

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 272905)
from OutSportsLike Jim Buzinski said, the genital shots are redacted, but this still may not be work safe just due to the nature of the clip.

This is why I love Japan. :D

Gemini Cricket 03-19-2009 12:51 PM

Marvel Wants You to Blow Wolverine
You gotta click the link just for the pic. SFW
Quote:

Christian conservatives are up in arms over a new inflatable toy by comic book and film giant Marvel. The inflatable Wolverine doll comes with a strategically placed inflation tube -- right on his crotch.
An article on satirical christian website ChristWire.org gets straight to the point --- "We might as well line our children up and burn them ourselves! If we make these types of devil-pleasing acts OK, they will all be burning in the fire lakes anyways... What’s next? The Wonder Woman lollipop?"
How about an inflatable Hugh Jackman?


Kevy Baby 03-19-2009 12:56 PM

That is frickin' hilarious!

Pirate Bill 03-19-2009 01:32 PM

A Wonder Woman lollipop? Yes please.

Kevy Baby 03-19-2009 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate Bill (Post 273868)
A Wonder Woman lollipop? Yes please.

What flavor should be used?

Betty 03-19-2009 01:52 PM

Cherry.

Kevy Baby 03-19-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 273879)
Cherry.

I've seen Wonder Woman. It ain't gonna taste anything like cherry. That cherry taste is LONG gone.

Gemini Cricket 03-19-2009 02:54 PM

Ha ha. The Wolverine story is from The Onion.
It's all a hoax.
:D
Source
lol!

SzczerbiakManiac 03-19-2009 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 273877)
What flavor should be used?

iron

Gemini Cricket 03-19-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 273906)
iron

But I'm not doing any ironing at the moment...
:D

alphabassettgrrl 03-20-2009 10:21 PM

I think the Wonder Woman lollipop is a great idea! Yum!

Flavor? I don't know. Cherry works. Maybe strawberry.

Ghoulish Delight 03-21-2009 06:15 PM

From the pages of Duh Magazine

Kevy Baby 03-24-2009 01:42 PM

Father, Son Arrested Bailing Out Mom, Sister
Quote:

A family of four spent part of Thursday night in the town lockup after a mom and 13-year-old daughter were charged with shoplifting and the father and teen son were charged with probation violation when they tried to bail out the woman and girl, police said.
The Whole Story

Such a worm loving family.

Capt Jack 03-24-2009 02:05 PM

worm loving?

ew

Kevy Baby 03-24-2009 03:28 PM

Oh that's funny - I usually catch my typos

Capt Jack 03-24-2009 03:29 PM

hence why I jumped on it before you could correct it
cuz thats how I roll............. :p

actually checked the article twice to be sure they hadnt mentioned something about worms...which would be gross.

Stan4dSteph 03-25-2009 12:03 PM

A Samoan woman has been charged with child abandonment after giving birth on a flight from Samoa to New Zealand and leaving the baby in an aircraft toilet.

BBC News Story

Kevy Baby 03-25-2009 12:55 PM

I come in here looking for something amusing to make me smile and you post this painful reminder of the human condition

:p

SzczerbiakManiac 03-26-2009 11:11 AM

I just had this call. In preparation for a computer replacement later this afternoon, this user attempted to copy the contents of her My Documents folder to a USB drive. What she actually did was make shortcuts to all of her files instead of actually copying them. Unfortunately, she didn't become aware of this until after she deleted all of her My Documents on her hard drive and emptied the Recycle Bin.

What the fück were you thinking lady? Why would you delete the source files in the first place, let alone before you verified they copied okay?!?

Moonliner 03-26-2009 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 275240)
I just had this call. In preparation for a computer replacement later this afternoon, this user attempted to copy the contents of her My Documents folder to a USB drive. What she actually did was make shortcuts to all of her files instead of actually copying them. Unfortunately, she didn't become aware of this until after she deleted all of her My Documents on her hard drive and emptied the Recycle Bin.

What the fück were you thinking lady? Why would you delete the source files in the first place, let alone before you verified they copied okay?!?

As a tech why would you trust a user to backup their own files? I always make that my job when doing a computer replacement.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 11:21 AM

To me, the WTF part of this story is probably not what was intended.

The story in a nutshell - High school girl dies suddenly of unknown causes. 2 weeks late, school's computer system spits out an automated latter warning that if the girl doesn't improve attendance, she will be ineligible to attend prom. Parents are understandably miffed.

So, then, what's the obvious reaction to being painfully reminded of your daughters tragic death? Why, contacting news outlets and having the story on the evening news and in print, of course! "I'm so offended by having to see my daughter's name brought up, that I'm going to make sure it's brought up to everybody within earshot!"

I will never understand the "call the news!!!" mentality some people have in these situations.

And wtf is with the ridiculous, "I refuse to accept the apology" attitude over a simple computer mistake? Something ain't right about these parents.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-26-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 275241)
As a tech why would you trust a user to backup their own files?

I wouldn't trust a luser to turn the damn computer on, they're all so frelling incompetent. But I suspect the policy is due to timing/budget. We just don't have the staffing to sit at the workstation while gigabytes worth of useless crap gets copied.

Alex 03-26-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 275242)
Parents are understandably miffed.

I don't know that I even buy into "understandably miffed."

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 275244)
I don't know that I even buy into "understandably miffed."

I can understand that much. I wouldn't go so far as to say "justifiably" miffed, but understandably. I certainly won't fault someone who just lost a daughter for having a knee-jerk irrational emotional reaction. It's the follow through of pointless continued public indignation that baffles me.

Snowflake 03-26-2009 12:53 PM

Um, I think this policeman needs some therapy and to be relieved of his job. Obviously the motto there is not "To Protect and to Serve"

Officer drew gun during traffic stop of NFL player outside hospital


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The Dallas Police Department confirmed Thursday that an officer drew a gun on NFL running back Ryan Moats and his wife after he stopped them to give them a ticket even as they begged to hurry to the bedside of their dying mother.

As he rushed his family to the hospital, Ryan Moats, 26, rolled through a red light. A Dallas police officer pulled their SUV over outside the emergency room at the Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano.

“He was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car,” said his wife, Tamishia Moats. “It was the weirdest feeling because I’ve never had a gun pointed at me before under those circumstances.”

Seconds later, Ryan Moats and his wife explained that her mother was dying inside the hospital.

“You really want to go through this right now?” Moats pleaded. “My mother-in-law is dying. Right now!”

A Dallas police spokesman said that Officer Robert Powell told his commanders that he drew his gun, but did not point it. Lt. Andy Harvey said it is not unusual for officers to draw a gun without pointing it. Drawing a gun is not unusual in traffic stops where officers feel threatened.
Quote:

Powell, 25, spent long minutes writing Moats a ticket and threatened him with arrest during the incident.

“I can screw you over,” the officer told Moats. “I’d rather not do that.”
Quote:

Another hospital staffer came out and spoke with a Plano police officer who had arrived.

“Hey, that’s the nurse,” the Plano officer told Powell. “She said that the mom’s dying right now, and she’s wanting to know if they can get him up there before she dies.”

“All right,” Powell replied. “I’m almost done.”

As Moats signed the ticket, Powell continued his lecture.

“Attitude’s everything,” he said. “All you had to do is stop, tell me what was going on. More than likely, I would have let you go.”

It had been about 13 minutes.

Moats and Collinsworth’s father went into the hospital, where they found Collinsworth had died, with her daughter at her side.

Full article here

Moonliner 03-26-2009 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 275241)
As a tech why would you trust a user to backup their own files? I always make that my job when doing a computer replacement.

And why are users storing documents locally anyway? If these were business files they should have been stored on the servers and backed up.
What happens in the case of a drive failure, virus, deliberate deletion? It sounds like you are running quite a bit of risk.

Disneyphile 03-26-2009 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowflake (Post 275248)
Um, I think this policeman needs some therapy and to be relieved of his job. Obviously the motto there is not "To Protect and to Serve"

I hope he's repaid the same courtesy when he loses a loved one. :(

Moonliner 03-26-2009 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275257)
I hope he's repaid the same courtesy when he loses a loved one. :(

I'd like to see the dashboard footage of this stop and have independent verification as to the time of the stop and his mothers passing before passing judgement.

I've meet a few NFL'ers in my time.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-26-2009 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 275249)
And why are users storing documents locally anyway?

I can answer that in two words: Politics & Budget
I won't bore you with the specifics. I agree with everything you're saying, but I'm through banging my head against a wall on it with TPTB here. :rolleyes:

Snowflake 03-26-2009 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 275259)
I'd like to see the dashboard footage of this stop and have independent verification as to the time of the stop and his mothers passing before passing judgement.

I've meet a few NFL'ers in my time.

I do not know if the full video is there, but he article does link to the dashboard video of the event. No, I've not watched it.

even if it was 5 minutes time, or two or three, I think the behaviour of the police officer was and is appaling.

Moonliner 03-26-2009 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowflake (Post 275264)
I do not know if the full video is there, but he article does link to the dashboard video of the event. No, I've not watched it.

even if it was 5 minutes time, or two or three, I think the behaviour of the police officer was and is appaling.

After watching the video:

Running a red light. Failure to stop. Aggressive behavior, Yelling. These things tend to upset officers. I see plenty of blame on both sides.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 01:35 PM

I just watched the video. A) You can't see the officer for most of it, but at no point does Moats react as if he has a gun pointed at him. B) His wife (whose mother it was) went immediately inside, so if it was possible to arrive on time to see her mother pass, she made it. C) At no point did Moats even attempt to cooperate with the officer, it was instant screaming and confrontation.

From what I could tell in the video, the officer handled it like he'd handle any stop. Cooperate and it will be done quickly, argue with me from moment one and forget it.

Kevy Baby 03-26-2009 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowflake (Post 275264)
I do not know if the full video is there, but he article does link to the dashboard video of the event. No, I've not watched it.

even if it was 5 minutes time, or two or three, I think the behavior of the police officer was and is appalling.

On the surface it might seem that way. Personally, I would have to see the video.

Yes, some cops do overreact. But cops also get a LOT of people claiming that they are rushing to a dieing relative, or some other "excusable" reason for running a red light, speeding, etc.




OK, I watched (without audio) the first couple of minutes of the video.
  1. The driver continued through SEVERAL red lights and stop signs without stopping
  2. The driver had the cop following him with lights on for at least a full minute
  3. The driver and passenger jumped out of the car and were in a frantic mode
With the three points above, the cop was justified (in my mind) to at least pull his gun.

Moonliner 03-26-2009 01:38 PM

After catching up with someone who refuses to stop, I expect it's fairly standard to approach with caution (ie gun drawn).

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 01:40 PM

Especially when they then jump out of the car screaming at you.

Disneyphile 03-26-2009 02:01 PM

I think someone who is in shock over someone dying is not exactly going to be thinking calmly enough to "react appropriately" to a police officer. Shock and grief can completely override and cloud rational thought.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-26-2009 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 275259)
I've meet a few NFL'ers in my time.

I used to work at a place frequented by NFL players. Each and every one of them was a major prick. Obviously, not every NFL player is an asshole, but I am comfortable saying most of them are.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275278)
I think someone who is in shock over someone dying is not exactly going to be thinking calmly enough to "react appropriately" to a police officer. Shock and grief can completely override and cloud rational thought.

That may be the case. But as a police office, you don't have the luxury of determining who is being irrational for the right reasons and who is being irrational for the wrong reasons. If someone is acting like that, your training is, rightly, to be cautious and take control of the situation. It's unfortunate for the family, but then maybe they should have been obeying traffic laws.

Disneyphile 03-26-2009 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 275280)
That may be the case. But as a police office, you don't have the luxury of determining who is being irrational for the right reasons and who is being irrational for the wrong reasons. If someone is acting like that, your training is, rightly, to be cautious and take control of the situation. It's unfortunate for the family, but then maybe they should have been obeying traffic laws.

I have no problem with him pulling the gun for caution, but to waste time on a lecture, etc. after he was informed about the situation was uncalled for. If he didn't believe him, he could have followed them into the hospital and witnessed it himself.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275281)
I have no problem with him pulling the gun for caution, but to waste time on a lecture, etc. after he was informed about the situation was uncalled for. If he didn't believe him, he could have followed them into the hospital and witnessed it himself.

Have you watched the video? The one who was wasting time was Moats, who instead of, say, handing the office ID when asked, kept arguing. If he had simply followed the officer's instructions, it would have been over in a couple minutes, and I bet if he had said, "Could you make it quick," while handing over his ID as asked the officer would have done exactly that. But if you are going to refuse to cooperate at every step, then under what obligation is the officer to cooperate with you? There is nothing in that video that gives me sympathy for Moats. He is angry, aggressive, argumentative, and rude through the entire thing, when all he needed to do was listen to what he was being told instructed to do.

Alex 03-26-2009 02:34 PM

My understanding is that is pretty much standard procedure that no matter how nicely you do it, if when pulled over you get out of the car without being told to, you're going to get to see more of the gun.

Haven't seen the video. But if the driver was acting angry and irrational I'd say that is a very good argument for the cop to slow him down no matter what the cause. He's obviously not in an emotional place appropriate for driving.

As sucky as it is, having a dying relative in a hospital is not just reason (especially since it is probably true one time out of the 100 times a police officer hears it) for risking the deaths of other people driving erratically to get there.

I had a friend in high school who's dad was a patrolman. He once said to me that traffic stops were pretty much the scariest thing he did. Because the rest of the time when things went awry it was usually in a situation where you had some reason to expect it. Since 99.9% of traffic stops were hassle free, that 0.1% had a way of just completely sneaking up on you.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 275284)
Haven't seen the video. But if the driver was acting angry and irrational I'd say that is a very good argument for the cop to slow him down no matter what the cause. He's obviously not in an emotional place appropriate for driving.

Well, he didn't bother to stop and get out of the car until he'd reached the hospital parking lot, so it wasn't a matter of letting him get back in the car to drive more. It was just about finishing up the ticket-writing process and letting him into the building. So in that sense, once it was clear that, while he was agitated and upset but clearly not threatening, an argument COULD be made that the officer inappropriately delayed the ticket writing. However from what I see in the video, Moats did nothing to help himself by continuing to ignore instructions and argue.

Disneyphile 03-26-2009 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 275282)
He is angry, aggressive, argumentative, and rude through the entire thing, when all he needed to do was listen to what he was being told instructed to do.

All traits of irrationality.

When faced with that kind of emergency/shock/grief, would you stay calm and do as you're told?

Have you been in that kind of situation?

I probably would have flat-out punched a cop at the time my mom was in hospice. I wouldn't have even noticed I was doing it.

And, I would have probably been condemned by people, because in our society, open grief is considered inappropriate, rather than a call for compassion, patience, and understanding.

Alex 03-26-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275287)
When faced with that kind of emergency/shock/grief, would you stay calm and do as you're told?

Yes, but I'm wired weirdly.

Quote:

And, I would have probably been condemned by people, because in our society, open grief is considered inappropriate, rather than a call for compassion, patience, and understanding.
I don't know that I would particularly condemn you but I wouldn't condemn the police officer either for arresting you and you then being punished appropriately.

I have no problem with open grief. But just like with open anger, open love, open loathing, open macrame, the fact that you are experiencing a strong nearly uncontrollable emotion does not give you carte blanche to behave however you want without consequences.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275287)
All traits of irrationality.

When faced with that kind of emergency/shock/grief, would you stay calm and do as you're told?


What I would do is irrelevant. IF I were to act like that in that situation, I would expect the officer to react exactly the same. An officer CANNOT take the word of someone acting irrationally at face value, that could put their life in danger. The fact that the man's decision to not cooperate stemmed from heightened emotion doesn't change the fact that an officer's correct course of action in that case is to treat someone not following his instructions as possibly dangerous. And at no time during the process did Moats give the officer any indication he was anything but still irrational.

Your "once the situation was clear, the officer should have calmed down" argument goes both ways. Once the initial moment of irrationality was over, Moats should have taken a breath and cooperated. Instead he chose to remain argumentative for 13 minutes. Plus, there is a big difference between someone who is distraught and not thinking clearly, vs. someone who is distraught and acting aggressively. An officer is going to proceed with far more caution with the latter.

Snowflake 03-26-2009 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 275289)
Plus, there is a big difference between someone who is distraught and not thinking clearly, vs. someone who is distraught and acting aggressively. An officer is going to proceed with far more caution with the latter.

You're completely right there and had I viewed the video, it would have been apparent. Blame on both sides. :blush:

innerSpaceman 03-26-2009 03:02 PM

I blame the Canadians.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 03:10 PM

Well, duh, of course it's Canada's fault. But that goes without saying.

katiesue 03-26-2009 03:12 PM

Nothing wrong with being grief stricken. But if you're so upset you can't think rationally, then you shouldn't be driving a car. Would it be ok if he had slammed into another car while running the red light instead of just being pulled over?

Kevy Baby 03-26-2009 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275287)
All traits of irrationality.

Also the traits of someone strung out on any number of drugs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275287)
I probably would have flat-out punched a cop at the time my mom was in hospice. I wouldn't have even noticed I was doing it.

And, I would have probably been condemned by people, because in our society, open grief is considered inappropriate, rather than a call for compassion, patience, and understanding.

If you would have punched a cop doing his job, I wouldn't give you a lot of sympathy. Your own grief is not an excuse to break the law and assault someone; ESPECIALLY law enforcement.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275287)
I probably would have flat-out punched a cop at the time my mom was in hospice. I wouldn't have even noticed I was doing it.

And when you are subsequently arrested for assault on a police officer, would you expect to be let off?

innerSpaceman 03-26-2009 05:12 PM

Yes, let's all take that literally, shall we?

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 275307)
Yes, let's all take that literally, shall we?

Who's taking it literally? She offered a hypothetical situation, and her hypothetical actions in that situation. My question is, what would she expect the hypothetical reprocussions of those actions to be?

The genesis of his behavior is irrelevant. A cop facing irrational behavior is a cop facing irrational behavior, and the course of action is the same whether the behavior is the result of a fundamentally dangerous person or of someone overcome by temporary emotion. That's precisely the POINT of their training - to have a well practiced set of actions he takes to remain in control of the situation, regardless of the unknowable mental state of the person he's dealing with. All he has to go on is the observable behavior, and everything about Moat's actions in that video screams that this is an irrational person, take your time and don't let them have control of the situation.

I'm not saying I don't understand why the driver would have been acting irrationally, I'm saying that the officer, for the most part (by the time he's yelling "Shut your damn mouth!" it's clear that he's not doing a particularly good job of controlling the situation. But it was far from entirely out of line), reacted as he should be expected to when faced with an irrational person.

Disneyphile 03-26-2009 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katiesue (Post 275293)
Nothing wrong with being grief stricken. But if you're so upset you can't think rationally, then you shouldn't be driving a car.

If you got a call that Madz was in taken to the hospital in critical condition, would you be calm and rational enough to call someone and ask them to drive you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 275303)
Also the traits of someone strung out on any number of drugs.

I'm sorry. I missed that part of the article where they said he was under the influence. What drugs was he found with? I don't have time to read through it again.

Quote:

If you would have punched a cop doing his job, I wouldn't give you a lot of sympathy. Your own grief is not an excuse to break the law and assault someone; ESPECIALLY law enforcement.
Again, what would you do if it were you in this situation?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 275304)
And when you are subsequently arrested for assault on a police officer, would you expect to be let off?

Nope. However, I would expect an officer to actually listen to me first and assist from there, but if he stood in my way.... When someone is grief-stricken, it is pretty damned apparent that they're not making it up as an excuse just to run red lights.

Sorry that I have compassion and a tendency to lean towards the side of someone who is losing/lost someone.

Strangler Lewis 03-26-2009 05:26 PM

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.

Ghoulish Delight 03-26-2009 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275313)
Nope. However, I would expect an officer to actually listen to me first and assist from there. When someone is grief-stricken, it is pretty damned apparent that they're not making it up as an excuse just to run red lights.

The problem is, as Kevy pointed out, the difference between someone who is irrational because they're grief stricken, and irrational because of some other reason (e.g, on drugs, hates cops, is pissed at his wife for making him late to his appointment for a regular checkup) is not particularly apparent when someone is rushing out of a car, aggressively approaching you and yelling. A cop HAS to treat them all the same, there is no other option. And until someone calms down and is able to rationally explain what's going on, the cop treats them as an irrational person. They can't afford to differentiate between types of irrationality.

Alex 03-26-2009 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275313)
Again, what would you do if it were you in this situation?

Again, it is irrelevant. Even if I did punch him, arresting me would be the correct response whether I agreed with it at the time.

Every time a red light was run this man was saying "my needs are worth risking the death of other people." Can I understand how a person could get to that state of mind? Sure. Do I have sympathy for it. Sure. There are tons of reasons someone might behave irrationally where I suspect you wouldn't view that as an excuse while understanding how they could get that way, I don't really see this as all that different.

Does that mean the correct response is "oh you poor thing, you go on your and we'll talk some other time"? No, not really.

Kevy Baby 03-26-2009 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275313)
I'm sorry. I missed that part of the article where they said he was under the influence. What drugs was he found with? I don't have time to read through it again.

To clarify, I wasn't saying that the individual WAS on drugs; I meant that he was acting in a behavior that was VERY SIMILAR to someone who was on drugs. Hence my support for law enforcement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275313)
Again, what would you do if it were you in this situation?

I would NOT run red lights and blown stop signs as recklessly as he did. Although I would probably speed.

When a cop car came up behind me with it's lights on, I would probably stop and explain THEN what was going on: not wait until I got to the hospital.

I have been in this type of situation, so I know what I would do. My concern for a dying loved one does not outweigh the safety of others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275313)
Sorry that I have compassion and a tendency to lean towards the side of someone who is losing/lost someone.

With whom would your compassion lie if when he was was running one of those red lights he broadsided a car and somebody in that car died?

JWBear 03-26-2009 07:58 PM

I'm sorry. I have to side with DP on this one. The cop was a prick. If someone is speeding, runs a red light, and then pulls into a hospital; wouldn't you think the cop would realize that there was a medical emergency? What if the dying person was in the car? I would have done just what the wife did; tell the officer the situation and run inside. The driver only became upset after the cop refused to listen. There was no need for the cop to be such a bureaucratic a$$hole.

The Dallas Chief of Police apologized, as he should heve.

katiesue 03-26-2009 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275313)
If you got a call that Madz was in taken to the hospital in critical condition, would you be calm and rational enough to call someone and ask them to drive you?

I would definately call someone to drive me if I was that upset and Madz was hurt, even if it ment calling and waiting for a cab. Because if I die on the way there - it's not going to be very helpful.

I have been in this situation and had to drive over 600 miles to even get to the hospital - but I didn't drive like a manaic to do so. And I was pulled over on the way home for speeding, and I took my ticket and said thank you as I was obviously speeding and the officer was just doing his job.

Last year in a smaller town near my hometown, a girl and her boyfriend were shot and killed by her ex. Her brother jumped in a car and drove to be with his mom, late at night and obvliously upset, and ended up wrapping his car around a tree and dying. So now the mother has no children.

Alex 03-26-2009 08:20 PM

Ok, watched the video.

I suspect the police is mostly apologizing because it was an NFL player.

If the police officer drew his weapon, I have no problem with that either as he was faced with a car that had refused to stop and then when it did four people appear to have immediately existed the car.

That said, I do not really see immediate belligerence from the driver to warrant the attitude of the patrolman once it was clear he was dealing with people who really were hurrying to the hospital (though obviously he still would not know if there truly was a situation worthy of any hurry, let alone one breaking the law). And also, if it is true that the driver was stopping at red lights before going through them (I couldn't tell from the video but that did seem to be true for stop signs once at the hospital) the I think that would be an indication that you're not dealing with anybody too deranged.

So, my renewed verdict:

1. The officer, I would say initially reacted appropriately but did not handle the situation in a manner likely to defuse matters once it was clear what was being dealt with.

2. The driver also did not do anything to help matters once things got going.

3. If the driver weren't an NFL player I don't think that any apology would have been offered.

4. The driver parked in a handicapped zone and seemed clear no passengers in the car warranted such a spot. So I hope he got a ticket for that.

5. It is kind of weird that the newspaper reporter in the linked article mentioned it was a well attended press conference when the apology was offered but the only media outlet mentioned was Inside Edition. Really?

6. Everybody seemed to have worked hard to make the situation worse than it was.

7. If Disneyphile punches a cop because her mother is dying, despite whatever sympathy I have about her situation she should be punished for it.

Cadaverous Pallor 03-26-2009 08:53 PM

If someone acts irrationally towards a policeman, I hope they treat the person the same, regardless of circumstances. Cops put their life on the line and have to be ready for anything.

Even if a chase ends at a hospital, the driver could jump out with a gun and start shooting. You never know.

Disneyphile 03-26-2009 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 275323)
Every time a red light was run this man was saying "my needs are worth risking the death of other people."

That's exactly the way I feel about speeders who weave in and out of lanes in heavy traffic, just because they have a few personal issues with patience and want to save 10 minutes, especially with a conscious decision to do so (not under duress, etc.). Same goes for people who insist on tweeting/texting while driving. Their eyes aren't on the road while doing that. Again, that's a needless conscious decision that can end in tragedy.

Quote:

Does that mean the correct response is "oh you poor thing, you go on your and we'll talk some other time"? No, not really.
I just feel that the cop should have shown at least SOME compassion once he was aware of the situation, instead of consistently nagging at the guy.

Oh, and in regards to some other various comments that I read, I also want to say that just because someone is an NFL player, doesn't automatically make them a jerk, as well as someone being a cop automatically make them a saint.

innerSpaceman 03-26-2009 09:19 PM

WHAT? Cops not automatically Saints?!?!? What planet are you from???

SzczerbiakManiac 03-27-2009 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 275341)
WHAT? Cops not automatically Saints?!?!?

Nor are they automatically demons. Far too many people jump to that conclusion.

Kevy Baby 03-27-2009 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 275355)
Nor are they automatically demons. Far too many people jump to that conclusion.

I would go so far as to say that far more cops are good than bad. IMO, the number of bad cops is a VERY small percentage.

JWBear 03-27-2009 08:22 AM

And by the same token, we shouldn't judge everyone who is in some other professions - say... like... NFL players.

Kevy Baby 03-27-2009 08:31 AM

But Mini drivers: they're all just a little weird

:D

Strangler Lewis 03-27-2009 09:57 AM

And some would say that the driver's crime was DWB.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-27-2009 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 275381)
And by the same token, we shouldn't judge everyone who is in some other professions - say... like... NFL players.

Your point is valid, but...
Quote:

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 275279)
Obviously, not every NFL player is an asshole, but I am comfortable saying most of them are.

As I indicated previously, they're not all douchebags, but literally every single one of the dozens I have met were. I did not come to that state of mind by flipping a coin or consulting the stars--it was the result of over a year of empirical evidence.

Kevy Baby 03-27-2009 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis (Post 275409)
And some would say that the driver's crime was DWB.

I was wondering if/when the race card would get played.

Why must seemingly EVERY situation involving a black person be a race issue?

Disneyphile 03-27-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 275441)
I was wondering if/when the race card would get played.

Why must seemingly EVERY situation involving a black person be a race issue?

I hate that. Makes me want to play the fat card.

innerSpaceman 03-27-2009 12:38 PM

I can never decide whether to play the jew card or the gay card.


Such a quandry.

Prudence 03-27-2009 12:48 PM

I need to know which variant of rummy we're playing before I decide what card to play.

Gemini Cricket 03-27-2009 01:41 PM

Moats was at fault for the following reasons:

A cop is trying to pull you over, you pull over. If he had stopped right away, he could have told the cop that he had a medical emergency and (depending on the convsersation) might have been cool with the cop. But after a couple of violations, the suspicions run high and the cop is not going to listen. The cop amped up and is thinking: druggie, drunk person, gang banger fleeing from a situation...

Moats could have caused someone else to lose a loved one by driving recklessly. His family is not more important than someone else's.

Moats telling the cop to go look for his insurance and take it out of the envelope or whatever he had it in, is not cool.

-----

Powell is at fault for the following reasons:

Once the nurse from the hospital had confirmed the Moats' story, he should have allowed Moats to go inside. He had Moats waiting until he wrote the ticket out, he could have left it on the windshield.

Powell showed a lack of understanding of this special situation. Yes, he may have heard people saying stuff like this and it turned out to be complete bunk, but you can't automatically act that everyone is lying about what they are doing.

It feels like once Powell got control of the situation and had Moats by the car, he let his position as an officer go to his head. Both men were cocky, but telling someone they could make their lives more difficult just because you can, is also not cool.

Powell is still not apologizing for the incident. I think he should.

-------

No one has Powell's back on this one. The police union, fellow police officers, the police chief... I agree with them and think Powell handled this incident poorly.

(I sent the video to my lil sis and father (both cops) to see what their takes on this situation are.)

Kevy Baby 03-27-2009 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 275450)
I can never decide whether to play the jew card or the gay card.


Such a quandry.

Can you call it the Gew card?

Ghoulish Delight 03-27-2009 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 275465)
(I sent the video to my lil sis and father (both cops) to see what their takes on this situation are.)

While we're on that subject, it's a good thing you never wanted to get into the family business - Cop fired for losing sense of smell

Betty 03-27-2009 03:36 PM

ShamWow Busted!

katiesue 03-27-2009 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 275491)

He always creeps me out.

Ghoulish Delight 03-27-2009 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katiesue (Post 275493)
He always creeps me out.

He's a former wanna be movie producer (produced the Underground Comedy Movie) who joined Scientology, seemingly for the Hollywood connections. That blew up in his face when, after using those connections to get his movie made, the church objected to the movie and decided to ruin him. Shamwaw and Slap Chop are his road back to success.

As people mock him for his ridiculous salesman persona, I've seen people telling the above sob story an claiming he deserves sympathy for it. You know what? I have very little. When he joined the Scientologists, it was common knowledge what they are. He tried to work the system, he got caught. Got what he deserved. I have no problem continuing to mock his ridiculous new job that he's "forced" to do because of the situation he got himself into.

Gemini Cricket 03-27-2009 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 275475)
While we're on that subject, it's a good thing you never wanted to get into the family business - Cop fired for losing sense of smell

That stinks. But how would I know?

:D

Betty 03-27-2009 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 275494)
He's a former wanna be movie producer (produced the Underground Comedy Movie) who joined Scientology, seemingly for the Hollywood connections. That blew up in his face when, after using those connections to get his movie made, the church objected to the movie and decided to ruin him. Shamwaw and Slap Chop are his road back to success.

As people mock him for his ridiculous salesman persona, I've seen people telling the above sob story an claiming he deserves sympathy for it. You know what? I have very little. When he joined the Scientologists, it was common knowledge what they are. He tried to work the system, he got caught. Got what he deserved. I have no problem continuing to mock his ridiculous new job that he's "forced" to do because of the situation he got himself into.

Billy Mayes (Hi, I'm Billy Mayes - buy some Oxy Clean. ) was on the radio the other day and when asked about the Shamwow guy, he had nothing good to say about him. Basically calling him out on many levels - professionally and personally.

Kevy Baby 03-27-2009 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 275496)
Billy Mayes (Hi, I'm Billy Mayes - buy some Oxy Clean. ) was on the radio the other day and when asked about the Shamwow guy, he had nothing good to say about him. Basically calling him out on many levels - professionally and personally.

Wow; talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

Alex 03-27-2009 04:04 PM

While I have never bought something from any of them (I spend most of my time preventing Lani from doing so) I do love the art of their hucksterism. Best part of the county fair is to go to the commercial barns and just watch the good ones work.

katiesue 03-27-2009 05:41 PM

The sham wow guy just reminds of a slimey guy who would hit on you in a bar and not go away.

Ghoulish Delight 03-27-2009 05:44 PM

...at least not until you bit his tongue.

Gemini Cricket 03-27-2009 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katiesue (Post 275561)
The sham wow guy just reminds of a slimey guy who would hit on you in a bar and not go away.

Speak for yourself. Some of us thrive on that kind of attention.


:D

SzczerbiakManiac 03-27-2009 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betty (Post 275496)
Billy Mayes (HI, I'M BILLY MAYES - BUY SOME OXY CLEAN.)

I corrected it for you. ;)

Disneyphile 03-27-2009 06:27 PM

I don't think it was assault. I think he was just trying to demo his Slap Chop and missed... several times. ;)

SzczerbiakManiac 03-30-2009 12:03 PM

Pittsburgh Pirates Prospect Has Batsh¡t CrAzY Wife
She faked a pregnancy and then stole a baby to conceal her deception.

Ten years ago she also stole $20,000 then burnt down the place to hide her crime.

SzczerbiakManiac 03-30-2009 12:06 PM

This may not be a traditional WTF item, but it seems like a reasonable place to post this.

Sporno: 20 Pictures In Which Sport and Porn Collide"Sporno is that split second in time when a photographer captures two strapping athletes becoming one."
(work safe, but suggestive)

Capt Jack 03-30-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 275571)
I don't think it was assault. I think he was just trying to demo his Slap Chop and missed... several times. ;)

lol. what a wuss. I cant see a mark on her, but she beat the livin' snot outta him.

lashbear 03-30-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 275495)
That stinks. But how would I know?

:D

AH! So that's why you never noticed when I farted in your car. ;)

Moonliner 03-30-2009 01:15 PM

A true WTF!

That foreign devil bear is leading our NCAA bracket pool. What the hell is going on with this universe?

lashbear 03-30-2009 04:49 PM

hehehehe... us Future folk is omnipotent. That's Potent with an Omni in front of it.

Ghoulish Delight 04-07-2009 03:10 PM

So, have you found yourself exiting a room, having survived a particularly chilling challenge, passed some portraits in need of some restoration (or not), and wondered, "Why are there hollow molds of busts sitting in those wall displays, and why is everyone else so fascinated with them?"

Well, then, you may very well be Schizophrenic.

Kevy Baby 04-07-2009 04:48 PM

Rose are Red
Violets are Blue
I'm Schizophrenic
And so am I

Ghoulish Delight 04-08-2009 09:27 AM

What...the...FVCK?!

RStar 04-08-2009 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 277735)
What...the...FVCK?!

First of all, what's a "row"? A fight?

Secondly, what kind of "friend" is that?????

Was his name Hector by chance? Did he have a side of faba beans?

Ghoulish Delight 04-08-2009 09:57 AM

Hector? Do you mean Hannibal Lecter?

And yes, "row" (pronounced like "ow") is a British term for a fight.

SacTown Chronic 04-08-2009 10:27 AM

Quote:

'He began hitting me with a chain and then pulled down my trousers and started biting.
There's no such thing as dirty fighting but, man, that's dirty fighting.

RStar 04-08-2009 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 277748)
Hector? Do you mean Hannibal Lecter?

And yes, "row" (pronounced like "ow") is a British term for a fight.

Yes. Where the Hector did I get that?? :eek: ;)

The British have interesting terms. I wonder where "row" came from?

Ghoulish Delight 04-08-2009 11:19 AM

Actually, "row" has been used in US English too, though it tends to mean more of a "loud disturbance" rather than a "fight" as it does in Britain. As in, "The arguing couple raised quite a row next door."

SzczerbiakManiac 04-08-2009 11:42 AM

I guess the penis-chomping story wasn't WTFy enough, so they had to include this picture and caption:
Quote:


Teeth: bitey

Alex 04-08-2009 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RStar (Post 277786)
I wonder where "row" came from?

According to the online dictionaries the etymology of this usage is unknown (and almost certainly unrelated to the nautical sense of row). Some suggest that it may be a formation based on "rouse."

Deebs 04-08-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic (Post 277763)
There's no such thing as dirty fighting but, man, that's dirty fighting.

Well yeah. And it said his best friend? They can't even be called frenemies it is so bad. Biting it is one thing, biting it off is another, but swallowing it? How did he even accomplish that? Was it whole, did he chew it up? Now I want to know what's gonna happen to this poor guy as it clearly can't be reattached a la John Wayne Bobbitt. I demand a follow-up report! But no one listens to me. :p

Kevy Baby 04-08-2009 02:58 PM

And here I thought the penis was bit off after they had done some farming...

SacTown Chronic 04-08-2009 03:43 PM

Yeah, Deebs, I've been wondering the same thing. If he swallowed it whole then he should do just fine in prison.



Wait, what am I saying? Who in their right mind would let this cat anywhere near their junk?

RStar 04-08-2009 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 277866)
And here I thought the penis was bit off after they had done some farming...

I thought that, because it was stated that the pinis was bitten off after the two had a row, it was just another way of saying "shag". Thus the reason the penis was out (until I read down to when he pulled the guy's pants down).

And because it is pronounced "OW" it is fitting any way you slice it.

Since the guy got 10 years in prison, it could be said he bit off more than he could chew.

Frankly, I find the whole story hard to swallow.:eek:








Sorry, it's been a Looooong day, I have 30 minutes left, and I'm getting antsy.:blush:

Moonliner 04-08-2009 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RStar (Post 277894)

Frankly, I find the whole story hard to swallow.:eek:

Perhaps if you chew on it for a bit it will come to you.

Disneyphile 04-08-2009 07:01 PM

That story is enough to make anyone gag! :eek:

Moonliner 04-08-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 277922)
That story is enough to make anyone gag! :eek:

That would be the long and the short of it.

Alex 04-09-2009 12:13 PM

Colorado state officials, under the greedy thumbs of the powerful beef lobby, reject a license plate advocating tofu.

SzczerbiakManiac 04-09-2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 278065)
Colorado state officials, under the greedy thumbs of the powerful beef lobby, reject a license plate advocating tofu.

Well considering ILVTOFU could easily be interpreted to mean I Love To Fück You, I'm not especially bothered by their decision and definitely not surprised. I sure hope Kelley Coffman-Lee was not surprised by it either.

Alex 04-09-2009 12:33 PM

(I'm not bothered either, I think it is the right decision. Posted tongue in cheek.)

SzczerbiakManiac 04-09-2009 12:48 PM

Well if you would just use smilies....

blueerica 04-10-2009 05:23 PM

Polish Politician Questions Zoo Over "Gay" Elephant

JWBear 04-12-2009 10:08 PM

Scotland's #1 Male Barbie I think my eyeballs melted a little... WTF??? :eek:

SzczerbiakManiac 04-13-2009 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 278579)
Scotland's #1 Male Barbie I think my eyeballs melted a little... WTF??? :eek:

Says the lad, "There's no such thing as too much makeup." Uh honey... yes there is!

Morrigoon 04-13-2009 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 278065)
Colorado state officials, under the greedy thumbs of the powerful beef lobby, reject a license plate advocating tofu.

Heh....

Quote:

As a vegan, she won't consume or wear anything that comes from an animal. "But it's not just about food. It is a philosophy of life. It means you have compassion for animals; it means that you don't want to see them performing or research done on them or them being eaten."
But.... she'll drive a car fueled by the decomposed bodies of dead dinosaurs :P

SacTown Chronic 04-13-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueerica (Post 278405)


Quote:

Ninio, prefers the company of other males,

Marge: He prefers the company of men.

Homer: Who doesn't?

Alex 04-13-2009 12:19 PM

To be fair to her (and others who run into that comment), the percentage of non-zooplankton animals contributing to oil creation is probably not that much worse than the relative amount of bugs killed in producing a head of lettuce.

The ultimate source of crude oil (and natural gas) is almost entirely from algae and zooplankton. And only the most devoted vegans make any effort to avoid consumption of currently-living-zooplankton so million years-dead zooplankton really isn't a concern.

So in that sense, using petroleum based products is probably not any more hypocritical than a standard vegan diet.

Coal is more likely to contain "dinosaurs" but it it still overwhelmingly sourced from plants.

Ghoulish Delight 04-13-2009 04:25 PM

Wow, neat. Snopes got snoped...and came out clean.

Snopes ran this story about a State Farm insurance agent who attached an anti-Obama sign to his business sign. According to Snopes, State Farm contacted him and asked him to remove the sign as they have a no-endorsement policy.

A couple months ago an email began to circulate claiming that State Farm did NOT pressure the agent to take it down and that Snopes had not contact either the agent or anyone at State Farm to check their facts. Furthermore, they claimed that Snoes is run by a married couple of highly political Democrats that have gone out of their way to hide their identity.

Well, FactCheck.org took up the case. What did they find? A) Contacting State Farm confirmed precisely what Snopes reported, that State Farm insisted the agent remove the sign due to conflict with their non-endorsement policy. B) While Snopes admits to not having called the agent, they said they emailed him and got no response. C) Far from being a very liberal Democrats, the David Mikkelson is a registered independent, formerly registered as a Republican, and his wife Barbara is a Canadian citizen, not allowed to take part in US politics. D) They have made no attempt to hide their identity, with articles being found as far back as 1995 linking Snopes and the Mikkelsons.

The full FactCheck debunking, including the circulated email, is here

Strangler Lewis 04-13-2009 04:37 PM

Oh, sure. "FactCheck." As if.

Morrigoon 04-17-2009 02:16 PM

Dunno why Fej hasn't posted this here yet, but dude, he found a doozy: LOLTATZ. It's like Cake Wrecks for tattoos.

DEFINITELY NSFW! (Or anyone else for that matter, in the case of one photo...)

alphabassettgrrl 04-17-2009 02:51 PM

LolTatz???? I have to go look. I'm sure it'll be painful.

SzczerbiakManiac 04-17-2009 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morrigoon (Post 279066)
LOLTATZ.

DEFINITELY NSFW! (Or anyone else for that matter, in the case of one photo...)

I'm assuming the one photo is this. Please tell me that was photoshopped!

Because if not, that's just.. I mean, come on... really? You paid someone to permanently put that on you in an obvious-to-everyone spot?


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