Oh, Mary!

[Gn2Dlnd]

Conservative "leaders" seem to be upset that Mary Cheney is preggers.

My favorite hateful, ignorant, prejudiced quote:

Carrie Gordon Earll, a policy analyst for the conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family, expressed empathy for the Cheney family but depicted the newly announced pregnancy as unwise.

"Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn't mean it's a good idea," said. "Love can't replace a mother and a father."

Love can't replace a mother and a father. So, hands up please, how many of you, who were in unhappy family situations growing up, found that a mother and a father were a good replacement for love?

[mousepod]

It's Christmas time, and since there's no man in her life, this must be one of those virgin birth things I keep hearing about... Hail Mary!

[SacTown Chronic]

Mary Cheney is having a Jew?

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by mousepod

It's Christmas time, and since there's no man in her life, this must be one of those virgin birth things I keep hearing about... Hail Mary!

I think someone just misused the turkey baster at Thanksgiving.

[Kevy Baby]

OK, here's where I will probably piss a lot of people off (unless they read past the first line):

The ideal parenting situation, with all other factors being equal, is to be raised by a man and woman in a stable, loving, married relationship.

The key part of that is "all other factors being equal."

That being said, there are a LOT of married people who should not be having children. And there are a LOT of non-traditional couples who would/do make great parents. The singulary most important thing a parent/parents can provide a child is love. Being in a male and female marriage does not automatically make one better prepared for that task.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

The ideal parenting situation, with all other factors being equal, is to be raised by a man and woman in a stable, loving, married relationship.

That may be your opinion, and I won't argue it, but there's absolutely no credible evidence to support that statement.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That may be your opinion, and I won't argue it, but there's absolutely no credible evidence to support that statement.

I should add, neither is there credible evidence to support any sort of opposing statement (e.g., "Being raised by two dads is just as good as one parent of either sex." "Having two moms is 3 times better than 2 parents of opposite sex." "Awarding custody to three howler monkeys and an escaped convict is better than being raised by Brittney Spears." Okay, maybe that one I'll give you). The fact is, the amount of factors and variables involved are so immense and complex that it's essentially impossible to conduct any sort of study with anything approaching control or ethics that would yield a conclusive, "Family structure X is superior to family structure Y," result. To claim otherwise is foolish.

[Alex]

Babies should be conceived and born in creches and then doled out to people on a lottery system after an extensive screening process.

Since people can't be trusted to objectively decide whether they would make good parents it is a choice that can not be left in the hands of individuals. Won't you think of the children!

The one common element in all cases of child abuse by adults is that the children were allowed to live within physical reach of adults.

They say you can't choose your family, and that is unfair. So I amend my previous statement to say that children should be raised by automatons in a creche environment until they are 18 and can choose a family.

It would be the best of all worlds (namely: parental neglect and incestuous molestation would cease and I wouldn't have to see kids. Win-win).

Plus, if Mary Cheney wants a baby she shouldn't have chosen to be a lesbian. Talk about having your hairy fish taco and eating it too.

Blah blah blah.

[Sub la Goon]

My gripe with this "story" is the way a Political Issue can be made out of a personal issue. Reproductive decisions should not be the purview of any government (other than China) and branding gay people as dangerous or sub-human is reprehensible. Whatever happened to "Live and Let Live"? Or "Liberty and Justice for All"? Who is responsible for all this nosiness and self-righteousness? Republicans, of course.

Nowadays it seems like the conservative motto is "You will be Assimilated".

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

The ideal parenting situation, with all other factors being equal, is to be raised by a man and woman in a stable, loving, married relationship.

I'm not so sure about that. Are my kids really better off (being raised in a good marriage, financial stability, and loving parents) than a child raised by two men who are also in a healthy relationship, have financial stability, and are loving parents? I'm not at all convinced. A gay couple may have to make a bit of extra effort to include members of the opposite sex in the child's life, so that they have role models of both sexes, but beyond that I'm not sure where the disadvantage lies.