FISA

Cadaverous Pallor · 07-10-2008, 10:47 AM

Ok, I need to know more about this FISA thing. I'm more than a bit confused. Should we be punishing the gov't, the telecom industry, wha? I know it's already late and the bill already passed, but what does it really mean?

Morrigoon · 07-10-2008, 10:49 AM

What is it?

BarTopDancer · 07-10-2008, 10:50 AM

Google is your friend.

Wikipedia FISA

From an ABCBlog

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In February Obama voted in favor of the an amendment from Sens. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., and Russ Feingold, D-Wisc., to repeal retroactive immunity for telecoms, saying, "I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty.

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Free from the political pressures of the Democratic primaries, Obama now says he will vote for the FISA bill even if it doesn't include retroactive immunity for the telecoms.

And moreover, he will no longer support a filibuster of the bill if it doesn't include telecom immunity.

"My view on FISA has always been that the issue with phone companies per se is not one that overrides security interests of the American people," Obama told reporters on June 25. "It is a close call for me but I think the current legislation with exclusivity provision that says that a president -- whether George Bush, myself or John McCain -- can’t make up rationales for getting around FISA court, can’t suggest that somehow that there is some law that stands above the laws passed by Congress in engaging in warrantless wiretaps."

mousepod · 07-10-2008, 10:52 AM

I'm a big supporter of the EFF. Their site gives you the "free speech" view on FISA.

Morrigoon · 07-10-2008, 10:55 AM

And from your link, the link to today's relevant info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA_Am...ts_Act_of_2008

Thanks. I was wondering.

Sonofab!tch.

sleepyjeff · 07-10-2008, 10:58 AM

Nice to see that both McCain and Obama have been moving to the right lately

BDBopper · 07-10-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Nice to see that both McCain and Obama have been moving to the right lately

I was thinking the same thing Jeff.

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2008, 10:58 AM

CP, I hate to break it to you, but I already HATE your candidate for flipping on this issue. It's an assault on the Constitution and our 14th Amendment Rights to Privacy. It's a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card for the telecom behemoths who broke the law and violated the privacy rights of every American.

Now they have retroactive immunity and their illegal acts have been made legal ... oh, except that they violate the Constituion, which most "lawmakers" don't seem to give a fig about.

OBAMA SUCKS.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-10-2008, 11:01 AM

My thoughts here

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2008, 11:17 AM

Hahah, and I thinked there to my thoughts here.

Um, thread merge, maybe.

In fact, now that Obama's won the nomination, let's merge this FISA thread with Yes We Can, and then merge Yes We Can with Random Polical Thoughts Part Deux.

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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	FISA Ok, I need to know more about this FISA thing. I'm more than a bit confused. Should we be punishing the gov't, the telecom industry, wha? I know it's already late and the bill already passed, but what does it really mean? __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	I'm a big supporter of the EFF. Their site gives you the "free speech" view on FISA. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	And from your link, the link to today's relevant info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA_Am...ts_Act_of_2008 Thanks. I was wondering. Sonofab!tch. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	Nice to see that both McCain and Obama have been moving to the right lately __________________ River Guardian-less
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	CP, I hate to break it to you, but I already HATE your candidate for flipping on this issue. It's an assault on the Constitution and our 14th Amendment Rights to Privacy. It's a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card for the telecom behemoths who broke the law and violated the privacy rights of every American. Now they have retroactive immunity and their illegal acts have been made legal ... oh, except that they violate the Constituion, which most "lawmakers" don't seem to give a fig about. OBAMA SUCKS.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	My thoughts here __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Hahah, and I thinked there to my thoughts here. Um, thread merge, maybe. In fact, now that Obama's won the nomination, let's merge this FISA thread with Yes We Can, and then merge Yes We Can with Random Polical Thoughts Part Deux.
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