Michael Moore's new film available as a free download

[bewitched]

Slacker Uprising

A 100-minute look at Mr. Moore’s tour of college campuses during the fall of 2004. Cameras followed him to 62 cities as he urged young people to vote for John Kerry. The resulting footage sat on the shelf for a few years before Mr. Moore spliced together a version of the film, then titled “Captain Mike Across America,” and showed it at the Toronto International Film Festival a year ago.

After the festival screening Mr. Moore returned to the editing room to give the film “more heft and substance,” he said. It includes exchanges with Mr. Moore’s detractors and their attempts to interrupt his tour, raising free-speech issues and creating some comedic moments.

My apologies if this was already posted elsewhere.

[scaeagles]

Do detractors really have free speech issues? Could be....I'm just curious. If this is the case, then you would agree that any collegiate crowd that shouts down Anne Coulter or David Horowitz (sp?) have free speech issues.

Here's my take - those who shout down when the object of the protest is in an organized forum - as in were invited to speak - have those issues. Those who "detract" from someone in an informal setting, such as when walking around a campus soliciting votes do not.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Do detractors really have free speech issues?

That's a creative way of reading that sentence:

It includes exchanges with Mr. Moore’s detractors and their attempts to interrupt his tour, raising free-speech issues

"Raising issues" does not imply that anyone "has issues". It means that the events brought the subject up and inspired a conversation. What is wrong with that?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

"Raising issues" does not imply that anyone "has issues". It means that the events brought the subject up and inspired a conversation. What is wrong with that?

I read this as Moore having problems with his "detractors" and implying that they were interfering with his free speech....not that free speech became an issue of debate.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I read this as Moore having problems with his "detractors" and implying that they were interfering with his free speech....not that free speech became an issue of debate.

Yes, I see that's how you read it. Too bad it's not what was written.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Yes, I see that's how you read it. Too bad it's not what was written.

My interpretation is not in the least unreasonable, and in fact makes sense.

It includes exchanges with Mr. Moore’s detractors and their attempts to interrupt his tour, raising free-speech issues and creating some comedic moments.

Clearly the sentence structure implies that free speech issues and comedic moments were a result of detractors trying to interrupt his tour.

The attempts to interrupt the tour raised the free speech issues and created the comedic moments.

I fail to see why this is not what the sentence says.

[Strangler Lewis]

Admins: can we delete the last post, please?

[bewitched]

scaeagles, if you are asking the question as it pertains to this film I cannot comment, nor am I able to agree or disagree with your conclusion. The link just went up his morning and I haven't had a chance to actually watch the movie yet.

After watching the movie I will happily debate these points and more.

[scaeagles]

I'm just wondering in general.

If someone is shouting out from the street corner and I start saying the person shouting is an idiot or shouting a different message, am I interfering with his free speech? I don't think so.

I do, however, think that while it is not any free speech violation to do the same during a forum designed to allow an individual to speak, it is somewhat tasteless and that it is not a violation of the protestor's rights to have them removed.

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'm just wondering in general.

If someone is shouting out from the street corner and I start saying the person shouting is an idiot or shouting a different message, am I interfering with his free speech? I don't think so.

I do, however, think that while it is not any free speech violation to do the same during a forum designed to allow an individual to speak, it is somewhat tasteless and that it is not a violation of the protestor's rights to have them removed.

I'm going to give the short answer since I am going to try and take a little nappypoo (having been up all night unable to sleep)....



With some caveats, I do not disagree with your statement. Generally speaking, that is.