Michael Moore's new film available as a free download

[scaeagles]

Do detractors really have free speech issues? Could be....I'm just curious. If this is the case, then you would agree that any collegiate crowd that shouts down Anne Coulter or David Horowitz (sp?) have free speech issues.

Here's my take - those who shout down when the object of the protest is in an organized forum - as in were invited to speak - have those issues. Those who "detract" from someone in an informal setting, such as when walking around a campus soliciting votes do not.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Do detractors really have free speech issues?

That's a creative way of reading that sentence:

It includes exchanges with Mr. Moore’s detractors and their attempts to interrupt his tour, raising free-speech issues

"Raising issues" does not imply that anyone "has issues". It means that the events brought the subject up and inspired a conversation. What is wrong with that?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

"Raising issues" does not imply that anyone "has issues". It means that the events brought the subject up and inspired a conversation. What is wrong with that?

I read this as Moore having problems with his "detractors" and implying that they were interfering with his free speech....not that free speech became an issue of debate.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I read this as Moore having problems with his "detractors" and implying that they were interfering with his free speech....not that free speech became an issue of debate.

Yes, I see that's how you read it. Too bad it's not what was written.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Yes, I see that's how you read it. Too bad it's not what was written.

My interpretation is not in the least unreasonable, and in fact makes sense.

It includes exchanges with Mr. Moore’s detractors and their attempts to interrupt his tour, raising free-speech issues and creating some comedic moments.

Clearly the sentence structure implies that free speech issues and comedic moments were a result of detractors trying to interrupt his tour.

The attempts to interrupt the tour raised the free speech issues and created the comedic moments.

I fail to see why this is not what the sentence says.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I fail to see why this is not what the sentence says.

Because your post changed the semantic context from "it raises issues" to "they have issues." You presented a counter argument to something the original quote simply did not say.

It may very well be the likely case that your spin is indeed the film's position, but you haven's seen the film, I haven't seen the film, no one here has seen the film. So with whom are you disagreeing when you say, "Do detractors really have free speech issues?" No one on the board said they do, the quote posted doesn't say they do. The film MIGHT say they do, but arguing against a position then you're arguing against a position that hasn't even been presented to the people your talking to, that you haven't even yourself seen.